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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
sorry, I have to reference the trezor everytime I read about this (supposed) problem. It can now be solved with $120.
It's still not an easy solution for the average person.  If I handed a trezor to a Regular Joe off the street (or gf, grandma, boss, non-tech colleague, etc.), the first thing he/she would ask is "How do I get bitcoins to and from that thing?". 30 seconds into the explanation what it is, how to even set one up, much less how to use it, and they would have tuned me out already and walked away.

Second thing they would say is, "I have to buy that thing for $120, when a credit card is basically free with my bank account?  No thanks."

A trezor may work today for us Bitcoin geeks.  But for Regular Joe mass adopters, trezor like devices need to be even easier to set up and use, as well as so ubiquitous that they are basically free devices, given away perhaps by bitcoin wallet services providers like Circle, BitPay, or CB.



Yes, instead of giving you a free $10 deposit with the opening of the account, give you a proprietary connected device, such as a trezor...   so long as you maintain at least a certain balance of a certain quantity for a certain period of time.
donator
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And more - many are ready to invest, but think they are so smart as to be able to catch a bottom. Sometimes they manage pretty well, cf. my first buy at $3 after my decision to invest was already made before the spike to $32 but the price just wasn't right for several months.

Did you sell and buy back in again after the spike when the price was in the $20s or $30s? or did you just ride it out and then sell later... I recall you sold at various points maybe in the $100s and in the $600s, no?

I thought about investing a few months, and when decided to invest, the high price delayed it an additional few months. Bought in starting at $3 and made my first meaningful exit at $675, trading here and there.

Currently I am more interested in Monero, though. Monero makes me feel like Bitcoin in 2010, tons of potential and a $6MM market cap. I actually was there so I can compare the feeling. It will become really big, 1000x gain just to match what Bitcoin is now.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
And more - many are ready to invest, but think they are so smart as to be able to catch a bottom. Sometimes they manage pretty well, cf. my first buy at $3 after my decision to invest was already made before the spike to $32 but the price just wasn't right for several months.

Did you sell and buy back in again after the spike when the price was in the $20s or $30s? or did you just ride it out and then sell later... I recall you sold at various points maybe in the $100s and in the $600s, no?
hero member
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Stephen Reed
Here is an interesting chart comparison between the great bubble of June 2011 and the November 2013 bubble. The general shape is that of a dampened oscillation. Because 2013 was a year in which two bubbles occurred, perhaps the November 2013 bubble will have a longer period of collapse than the April 2013 bubble.

This is the weekly chart from Mt. Gox from the 2011 bubble . . .



And here is the current weekly chart from Bitstamp . . .



donator
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$120 for a wallet?  And it requires specific hardware set up.  Doesn't really solve 1 of the 3 problems I mentioned without adding to it.  Try again. 

I'm not saying these things aren't coming down the pipe, I'm saying that as of today, the seamless way of getting BTC, managing a wallet and then using BTC is not yet here.  There is a setup cost that non-technical people just won't pay to get rolling with it.  It just has to be simpler for the masses.  I think Bitcoin will get there, and sooner rather than later.

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newbie
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$120 for a wallet?  And it requires specific hardware set up.  Doesn't really solve 1 of the 3 problems I mentioned without adding to it.  Try again. 

I'm not saying these things aren't coming down the pipe, I'm saying that as of today, the seamless way of getting BTC, managing a wallet and then using BTC is not yet here.  There is a setup cost that non-technical people just won't pay to get rolling with it.  It just has to be simpler for the masses.  I think Bitcoin will get there, and sooner rather than later.
legendary
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There's also Peter R's Sigsafe: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sigsafe-a-nfc-key-tag-for-signing-bitcoin-transactions-610453
It looks like it's even easier to use than a trezor and also cheaper. It communicates via NFC and the same device can be used with a mobile or a vendor terminal. As I see it, the answer to the question "How do I get bitcoins to and from that thing?" would be as simple as "Just tap it to your mobile!". However, it's still in development.

That SigSafe is very cool, but until NFC readers are used in regular commerce applications, kind of pointless...

sr. member
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Dolphie Selfie
sorry, I have to reference the trezor everytime I read about this (supposed) problem. It can now be solved with $120.
It's still not an easy solution for the average person.  If I handed a trezor to a Regular Joe off the street (or gf, grandma, boss, non-tech colleague, etc.), the first thing he/she would ask is "How do I get bitcoins to and from that thing?". 30 seconds into the explanation what it is, how to even set one up, much less how to use it, and they would have tuned me out already and walked away.

Second thing they would say is, "I have to buy that thing for $120, when a credit card is basically free with my bank account?  No thanks."

A trezor may work today for us Bitcoin geeks.  But for Regular Joe mass adopters, trezor like devices need to be even easier to set up and use, as well as so ubiquitous that they are basically free devices, given away perhaps by bitcoin wallet services providers like Circle, BitPay, or CB.



There's also Peter R's Sigsafe: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sigsafe-a-nfc-key-tag-for-signing-bitcoin-transactions-610453
It looks like it's even easier to use than a trezor and also cheaper. It communicates via NFC and the same device can be used with a mobile or a vendor terminal. As I see it, the answer to the question "How do I get bitcoins to and from that thing?" would be as simple as "Just tap it to your mobile!". However, it's still in development.
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HODL
Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.

sorry, I have to reference the trezor everytime I read about this (supposed) problem. It can now be solved with $120.

ftfy, was a bad link (no tld)
trezor
legendary
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sorry, I have to reference the trezor everytime I read about this (supposed) problem. It can now be solved with $120.
It's still not an easy solution for the average person.  If I handed a trezor to a Regular Joe off the street (or gf, grandma, boss, non-tech colleague, etc.), the first thing he/she would ask is "How do I get bitcoins to and from that thing?". 30 seconds into the explanation what it is, how to even set one up, much less how to use it, and they would have tuned me out already and walked away.

Second thing they would say is, "I have to buy that thing for $120, when a credit card is basically free with my bank account?  No thanks."

A trezor may work today for us Bitcoin geeks.  But for Regular Joe mass adopters, trezor like devices need to be even easier to set up and use, as well as so ubiquitous that they are basically free devices, given away perhaps by bitcoin wallet services providers like Circle, BitPay, or CB.

donator
Activity: 2772
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Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.

sorry, I have to reference the trezor everytime I read about this (supposed) problem. It can now be solved with $120.
legendary
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Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.

Fear of being hacked.  An easy to use and nearly unhackable wallet.  An easy to use and nearly unhackable means of obtaining bitcoin.  These are all still hurdles for the regular joe.  I had a 50 year old programmer co-worker on coinbase, trying to set up an account so he could start buying BTC.  The process was long enough and complicated enough that he got bored and put his money he was going to buy BTC with into a semi-legal online poker site.  Yes, he wasn't the guy that was going to send us to tha moon, but if someone who is technical can't figure out one of the currently easiest means of getting BTC, a non-technical person still has no shot.  Those things need to come out from the companies doing that work, and then we will see greater adoption rates. 

Yes secure and easy use is a key for wide spread use.  I don't think average joe is even at the point of worrying about being hacked.

As far as coinbase guy, it's a simple process so I have no idea what's really going on.  And he put money on an online poker site?  There are hoops to both processes.  You should tell him about btc poker, Seals With Clubs, as getting money off poker sites is much more difficult than putting it on unless it is btc.  There also is a well know sportsbook with poker that has btc in limited beta.
hero member
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Its been ltc leading the way.. right now its bearish till its not Smiley

LTC follows BTC, not the other way around.
legendary
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Its been ltc leading the way.. right now its bearish till its not Smiley
legendary
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bigtimespaghetti.com
Kind of disappointed that 525 seems to have held for now at least. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what the short term setup we have now is. Any thoughts on the price action?
newbie
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Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.

Fear of being hacked.  An easy to use and nearly unhackable wallet.  An easy to use and nearly unhackable means of obtaining bitcoin.  These are all still hurdles for the regular joe.  I had a 50 year old programmer co-worker on coinbase, trying to set up an account so he could start buying BTC.  The process was long enough and complicated enough that he got bored and put his money he was going to buy BTC with into a semi-legal online poker site.  Yes, he wasn't the guy that was going to send us to tha moon, but if someone who is technical can't figure out one of the currently easiest means of getting BTC, a non-technical person still has no shot.  Those things need to come out from the companies doing that work, and then we will see greater adoption rates. 
sr. member
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Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.

Like they say in the middle-east - "trust God but tie your camel at night."
full member
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Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin...

I ask at least one cab driver every week whether they have ever heard of bitcoin, and have done for the past year.  Keep in mind that these people are overwhelmingly recent immigrants who make regular remittances to family overseas, a first-order use case for bitcoin, which would save them as much as 10% on transfers of thousands of dollars each year.

Exactly one has ever heard of bitcoin.


Regular Joe wont go to bitcoin because of fear to be hacked. Unless one will create way to keep bitcoins safe from bad guys and easy system how to pay for goods and services, mainstreamers will stay away from BTC. Myself I'm tech guy and even I cannot sleep at night because of fear being hacked. Imagine someone not that techy, family with kids who use that computer to play games, install screensavers with all the viruses and keylogers. I dont see adoption without 100% security solution.
donator
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And more - many are ready to invest, but think they are so smart as to be able to catch a bottom. Sometimes they manage pretty well, cf. my first buy at $3 after my decision to invest was already made before the spike to $32 but the price just wasn't right for several months.
legendary
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Tell me why exactly investors will rush to buy in to an under performing asset just because it's packaged into an ETF? Everyone and their hairdresser is now aware of bitcoin... if they had wanted to invest in it, they would have invested in it. Clearly, the last 9 months are telling us something: they're not.
Some investors cannot invest in Bitcoin because of regulatory concerns.  The EFT enables huge amounts of money to be invested with no friction

Also: some investors won't invest in Bitcoin because their financial advisors don't recommend it, and their financial advisors don't recommend it because they can't get a commission out of selling it.

In my experience "financial advisers" at the retail or lower private wealth management levels have exactly zero useful advise to share, and simply parrot the exact same useless advise you can pick up in your average issue of Forbes or Money Magazine. (i.e. always use index funds, use stock/bond ratios based on age, etc)

The real investors (VCs, PE funds, etc.) are starting to move more and more into bitcoin. These are the people to watch. Just look at the silk road coins, 100% picked up by the same VC to bootstrap a new service. Investment by these investors is accelerating, and there are deep pockets there.
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