Topic: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? - page 14. (Read 14175 times)

More than a year after the start of the war, Europe does not seem to have been affected much compared to what Russia was seeing, especially during the winter. The European Union was able to find quick alternatives, and the winter was not very cold due to global warming, so that Russia finds itself forced to sell its products for less than half of its price to countries it considers allies (India and China). More than that, Russia will continue to sell gas and oil to Europe, but through Turkey, in a move that proves its need for revenues.
During the past year of the war, the Union countries secured new partnerships to secure their next needs of gas, and many liquefied gas transfer stations were established. Unfortunately, Russia cannot secure its needs in the same way and is looking for new alliances.

This method is a step by the European Union to support Ukraine in maintaining the freedom and determination of Ukraine's destiny. but through the method taken by the EU itself it will burden itself in my opinion, without gas supplies from Russia maybe the EU will have to pay a lot of money to get a replacement

In my opinion, of course there will be mutual losses, Russia will lose because they will not get money because their gas supply is hampered, and Europe will suffer even bigger losses because many of their industries have stopped.
  but to find a replacement for Russia of course it takes a very long time in my opinion, diverting to other or alternative energy such as electricity will make production costs very large.

BRICS Countries:
1. Brazil - Under-developed country.
2. Russia - Developing country
3. India - Developing country.
4. China - If we keep in mind their low GDP per capita, then they are developing nation but if we take an overall picture of their achievements and abilities, they are developed nation.
5. South Africa -Developing country.

No offence to anyone but with all due respect, now have a look at G7 countries:
1. Canada - Developed country.
2. France - Developed country.
3. Germany - Developed country.
4. Italy - Developed country.
5. Japan - Developed country.
6. United Kingdom - Developed country.
7. United States - Developed country.

While BRICS countries have slightly higher GDP, that doesn't mean that these countries perform better. BRICS countries have population of 3,237.09 Million and G7 countries - 773.21 Million. BRICS has 4 times more population than G7.
Now compare yourself countries according to their GDP per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
G7 countries win the competition. While
Compare income, compare crime rate, compare happy index, compare quality of life, compare everything that you think about to then frankly tell me, where would you wish to live, in BRICS countries or in G7 countries?

That's why I say that if Ukrainian people have no choice to be independent and they have to make a choice between Russian and the West, then definitely they choose Western countries. Russia with a low GDP, low GDP per capita and low quality of life definitely needs to improve things inside and then try to help others outside.

Sending a submarine to West Asia and publicly announcing it only has domestic use. After the embarrassing performance of US military in Syria after 6+ US bases were attacked by 100+ shells, rockets and missiles some days ago and it made a lot of sound in US media they had to pretend to be doing something and not look weak in the American public's eye. They couldn't do anything real since they knew any respond to those attacks would bring another attack that time with 500+ missiles, etc.

Otherwise these submarines have to be within ~1500 km range which means in Persian Gulf that has a shallow depth in most places and it is not a place to use a nuclear submarine. Not to mention Iran's dominance over Persian Gulf which makes it completely ineffective

Macron's recent statements after visiting Chinese counterpart was pretty funny, he basically confessed that Europe is occupied by US and European regimes are no more than United State's bitch
As for the economy, G7 and Europe as a whole is a thing of the past. The combination of deindustrialization, high energy prices, inflation + recession and most important of all wasting money on US favored proxy war has destroyed their economy.
Not to mention as the economy everywhere else continues growing, specially in places with access to much cheaper energy they will swallow all the money in Europe. In other words this is not just BRICS economy being bigger than G7 at this point, this is also about the fact that capital will continue fleeing Europe in the following years shrinking the economy even more.

Brics GDP:
China   589,171,528 BTC
India   105,428,505 BTC
Russia   66,057,674 BTC
Brazil   53,454,518 BTC
South Africa   13,951,694 BTC
Total 828,063,919 BTC

G7 GDP:
United States   763,990,033 BTC
Japan   164,033,953 BTC
Germany   140,302,857 BTC
United Kingdom   105,875,747 BTC
France   97,590,465 BTC
Canada   66,057,674 BTC
Italy   70,023,355 BTC
Total 1,407,874,086 BTC

I guess only in Russia is  828,063,919 bigger than  1,407,874,086.
It might be a reason why 3 days to Kyiv has become 400 and counting.

But all of the above - they try to keep their savings in dollars, own villas in the USA, live outside the BRICS, get an education - also in the USA / Britain / Europe and not Syzran University or Pyongyang State University ...
For example, you don't want the North Korean Internet? Instead of the normal Western? Or a North Korean mobile phone? No ? Well, of course - saying slogans is not living like in slogans
 
At the same time, the entire BRICS is technologically dependent on Western technologies, and primarily from the United States. And all the bawlers from the BRICS, outside the official rounds, try to get into European and American brands, have a visa / mastercard card and a bank account in the EU or the USA

But the funniest thing is to read about “Ukraine is in the sphere of influence of Russia for historical and geographical reasons, and also does not have political independence, since it is supported by the United States.” no longer affects, including Ukraine, begging for weapons from Iran and North Korea

I understand that besides self-hypnosis that "everything is fine" the loser countries have nothing else left. Now all the BRICS members have become hostages and servants of China, which "refused the dollar." More precisely, China did not abandon it, but forced the not-so-smart BRICS countries to do this, and replace their dollars with Chinese yuan

PS And about the largest country on the continent. You forgot to add - which has most of the world's mineral reserves, right? But then clarify:
How much of this "largest territory" is inhabited?
What part of the territory of Russia is generally suitable for operation and life?
How many of the populated areas are provided for example with gas?
And what is the average income level and average life expectancy in this "largest territory"?

Are you seriously? Russia is the largest country in the world and on its own continent. Russia is part of the BRICS economic alliance, which is larger than the economies of the G7 countries. The European Union has a large economy, but no political independence, because Europe is occupied by the US armed forces within the framework of the NATO military alliance. Ukraine is in the sphere of influence of Russia for historical and geographical reasons, and it also does not have political independence, because it is on the payroll of the United States. The United States is a great country, but it would be better for it to stop sticking its nose into foreign continents and take care of solving many of its own problems.

There is a huge difference between Russia and America. America is a country that's number one in economy, that attracts a lot of emigrants from all over the world, including Russia. All in all, I want to say that Russia is a country that can't take care of itself because it's ranked way lower in every aspect, especially in income and quality of life. What does an average citizen want? Good work ethic, good quality of life, good work-life balance, safe and friendly environment (US can be excluded in this case). That's why Ukraine wants to join the western world, to become a part of Europe and I think their choice must be free, who the fuck is Russia to decide the fate of other nations?
And if they want Ukraine to join them, then attract Ukraine with the quality of life, education, etc.

The truth is, Russia can't take care of itself, this country is not a good place to live, that's why your neighbors don't want to join you and rebuilt your Soviet Union, because people felt like shit during that era.

5 million Palestinians are human too, they are human too, and should be treated fairly. If you are condemning Russia's actions as heinous, don't take what happened in Palestine lightly. It is you who are supporting those killer butchers. Why the US invades another country, we call it punishment or they are fighting evil, while the war between Russia and Ukraine is called a crime? The world is clearly not fair and the national interest still comes first.

Of course, Russia is trying to divert attention from the scale of the war crimes it is committing by devoting nearly all of its military forces to seizing the neighboring state of Ukraine. The Putin regime unleashed the bloodiest war since the Second World War in the center of Europe. Its scale is impressive: the length of the front at different times reached 3700 kilometers, where only the Russians fired 50-70 thousand shells per day per day. Thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, hundreds of planes and helicopters and other military equipment are participating on both sides.

Russia with a population of 143 million (official data) is trying to occupy Ukraine with a population of 43 million. This cannot be compared with Palestine, where just over 5 million people live.

Source?


On paper yes. But in reality (or you just not willing to see/admit it) they continue to buy it. In fact, it turns out Ukraine (yes you got it right, Ukraine) keeps buying Russian oil via the Baltic states (the notorious "Latvian blend") using fake shipping documents! Your country is also buying Russian gas as well! The sources are quite reputable (unlike yours?):
https://zinas-tv3-lv.translate.goog/latvija/neka-personiga/jau-vairakus-menesus-caur-latviju-uz-ukrainu-ar-viltotiem-dokumentiem-ved-krievijas-degvielu/?_x_tr_sl=lv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/baltic-states-bought-twice-much-russian-lpg-last-year-traders-2023-01-26/
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-08/ukraine-war-this-backdoor-keeps-russian-oil-flowing-into-europe

So, my little clueless friend, while you're spreading fake info here, your government keeps breaking sanctions and buying oil and other fossils from Putin.  

Even KSA and Iran are coming close to each other after decades of tension. This is very positive development in middle east. KSA and other gulf countries have now realised that they must go out and ally with countries like China and Russia.
KSA is one of biggest importer of arms in the world and its troops performance in front of Yemeni houthi rebels is a clear indication of how bad they are equipped for combat operation.
Meanwhile, U.S. Sends Attack Submarine to Middle East as Tensions Rise Between Iran and Israel.

Your comment got me shook, fam! Europe been all up in Russia's business for oil and gas for way too long, but they ain't gotta be all up in their grill, ya feel me? Education is the game-changer, my dude! The West got mad skills and know-how compared to Russia. The USA, UK, Germany, Canada, France, Ireland, and Switzerland all have lit education and innovation that put them way ahead of Russia.

Real talk, war speeds things up, but nobody wants that, son! We gotta work together to find ways to reduce our need for oil and gas, like renewable energy and more efficient systems. That way, we can cut our ties with Russia and save the planet from climate change!

Don't forget, Russia got some big issues of their own, with their low population growth, brain drain, and outdated infrastructure. They ain't got the juice forever, ya know?

To wrap it up, Europe and other countries that can't stop latching onto Russia for oil and gas need to get educated, innovate, and invest in sustainable solutions. We gotta keep it positive and look to the future, and we can beat this challenge and make the world a better place, y'all!

Another attempt at substitution of concepts
I explain. Ukraine is an independent, unitary state whose independence is recognized by the world community. Ukraine has recognized borders, the safety and integrity of which Russia, the United States, Britain have pledged to ensure, in exchange for the fact that Ukraine itself made a decision and abandoned the THIRD largest stocks and carriers of nuclear weapons. Ukraine became a victim of a terrorist attack by Russia in 2014, which resulted in the occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and part of the eastern regions of Ukraine. And then in 2022, which resulted in the occupation of part of the southern and middle regions, the sadistic destruction of the local civilian population, and the terrorist destruction of many cities.

Now back to Palestine. The State of Palestine is a de jure (not de facto) independent, PARTIALLY recognized state in the Middle East that is in the process of being established. The independence of the State of Palestine as of the end of July 2019 was recognized by 138 out of 193 UN member states. Those. the status of this territory as an independent country is in question and has many controversial issues.
No one attacked Palestine, and no one has been seizing its lands for 9 years and systematically destroying cities and populations.
Moreover, there are a lot of questions related to Palestinian terrorism. What is Palestinian Terrorism? This is the terrorism of the Palestinian Arabs, directed primarily against Israel, Jews, as well as non-radical Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Egyptians, Americans and citizens of other countries. And this is part of the policy of the "state".

So there is no need to manipulate

The discussions here are all over the place sometimes
I haven't seen any discussion on the semi-recent decision by OPEC+ countries (that was mostly voluntary) to reduce their production and turn the energy prices back up again. That keeps the pressure on the Western economy up which would also force the deindustrialization of Europe to continue further.

Exactly.
This is why independence of countries and the allies they choose is of paramount importance. The position Yemen (a country that is invaded by the US-Saudi coalition for the past 8+ years) took in support of Palestine from 2200 km away shows that. Meanwhile Ukraine, a US proxy is begging for rockets with more than 300 km range

There is statement from RUSSIAN Foreign minister that is circulating widely on social media that "those who are worried and are finding it difficult to sleep because of war going on in Ukraine should consider Ukarine as Palestine and Russia as USA. Then they won't find it difficult to sleep and this will end there worry too".
This is very unfortunate that West is worried about Ukarine only, and not much attention is paid to fight going on in Palestine and other Arab countries. Humanity is linked with interest, the world only care for people where they have interests.

Thanks for the positive response

In fact, it makes absolutely no difference to me who trades what, who is of what faith, etc. I absolutely agree - life is much more interesting than "picking" in other people's problems.
I just don’t like it when people stupidly and primitively lie, and I always try to “poke their nose” into the truth, and not let other people fool their brains, who often “take their word”.
Especially when this lie is intended to justify and support such bastard regimes as the Kremlin, which caused the death of hundreds of thousands of people in my country. Just because "they have oil and they are great."

Thanks again for the positive feedback

Yo, my friend, I feel you tryna break down the whole situation for me, but check it, you're missing the forest for the trees. We're all just regular folks, caught up in this never-ending back-and-forth between supply and demand. Market forces are like waves in the ocean, and we're just tryna ride 'em out. Like my man Keynes said, "In the long run, we're all dead." So why trip over oil prices when there's so much more to life?

Like, have you ever thought about what life's really about? Stacking cash and power, or finding inner peace? And what's that got to do with oil? That's the stuff that keeps me up at night, for real.

But hey, I ain't all doom and gloom. I love a good laugh, too. Peep this – an oil trader walks into a bar, and orders a crude oil on the rocks. Bartender's like, "My bad, we only got the refined stuff here." Alright, maybe not my best joke, but you get me. Let's just chill and not take life too seriously, aight?

You are now not very successful trying to wishful thinking.
Let's once again, "in pictures", I'll explain to you if you can't understand
So, until 2022, when Russia staged a new terrorist attack on Ukraine, the picture really looked close to what you described.
A significant part of Urals brand oil was sold to Turkey and India, I agree. But they were not exclusive buyers. Urals was also bought by Europe and other countries. Europe also bought a significant amount of this oil. The price of supplies was regulated by the market, and was significantly higher than the cost of production... And so it was until 2022...
Sanctions against the international terrorist country were precisely aimed at reducing the economic effect from the sale of hydrocarbons, which form almost 50% of Russian income! Restrictions, embargoes and simply refusing to buy resources from terrorist countries gave results.

The EU actually completely refused supplies from Russia. And the "great Fuhrer of Russia" also introduced a ban on the sale of oil to some countries And here we come to the conclusion that you either cannot understand or simply deny it
the oil that went to the European market - it must be put somewhere. There are several options here - either to preserve oil production, or to sell somewhere, because. Russia simply has nowhere to store such volumes of oil! Canning is, in fact, forever abandoning production, tk. Russia does not have the technology to reactivate deposits. Yes, this is a fact - Russia has never been able to develop technologies that provide 50% of budget revenues. Simply put - technologically the rest of the country
So - the only option left is to sell to OTHER buyers. Yes, India has increased the purchase, this is a fact. But India does not buy ALL the surplus oil, and Turkey does not buy either. Urals started buying China, it's easy to check, it's a fact, whether you like it or not.
But China always uses the situation for its own benefit, and the interests of Russia, for China, come last. Therefore, reality looks like I described. At the same time, China can officially say anything, perhaps acting in the same way as the Indian leadership, publicly announcing a very high price in order to continue to squeeze money out of gullible citizens.
But you must admit - it's stupid to believe in the price of $73 if it's $50 on the market and no one wants to buy