Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 10. (Read 75246 times)
I don't speak Ukroid; They are saying "Nazis go home!", right?
Seriously, I never judge things like this at face value because it is super easy to do false-flag play-acting to make one's enemies look bad. Some people are highly adept at it, and take a special kind of pleasure in doing so if they fool 95% of the people which is, in fact, quite easy to do. I just don't think such a feat is not a result of having been 'chosen' and God having blessed one's soul some 'sacred spark' to bring light unto the nations or whatever; it's more just a matter of being a scum-bag.
^^^ dumBAss, do not be an idiot and go back to post about Trump being named King.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
Since the points you make are simply tiny parts of what is going on, you are back into strategizing. Keep it up. You just might distract people from the war long enough, that it won't hit them so hard when they suddenly find that the war and Ukraine are gone.
On the contrary, the points I am making are actually much more relevant than the latest of Vance's deranged blabber. What is key to Ukraine at the moment is Trump's future plans. Those plans are not really known, probably he has not given much thought to it other than:
- Zelensky comes and ask for money. Then more money. That is not good.
- There is a war, it is bad for business (I would disagree from his perspective).
- I will end the war in "24 hours".
Well, what we do know is who is he appointing and believe me he could have chosen people much more opposed to a free, denfensible Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m1ey10rxo
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...deport millions of undocumented migrants living in the US is no exaggeration.
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The president-elect picked Florida Congressman Mike Waltz,... has said the US is in a “cold war” with China ...
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Musk to work with... Vivek Ramaswamy in a "department of government efficiency"
My view... Trump is about to find out how different is leading a government from leading a company and all the in-built bullet-proof glass walls that are there.
Ramaswamy... a hustler in a suit is still a hustler.
^^^ dumBAss, do not be an idiot and go back to post about Trump being named King.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
Since the points you make are simply tiny parts of what is going on, you are back into strategizing. Keep it up. You just might distract people from the war long enough, that it won't hit them so hard when they suddenly find that the war and Ukraine are gone.
^^^ dumBAss, do not be an idiot and go back to post about Trump being named King.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
I like that type of news that say "could" because it means that, on the other hand, may not. So it is basically as if I say that Trump may die tomorrow, but he may as well not. BTW the Vice president of the US does not really do much.
Marco Rubio seems to be a possible Secretary of State (see "could") but there seems also to be some denial from Trump. BTW he would not be able to travel to China, he is sanctioned
On the rest of the people who are being chosen, the are not anti-Ukraine. From the scale from 0 (BA) to 10 Zelensky, they are around 4 or 5s.
Karma is a bitch.
Someone from UK should avoid saying that like plague
Seems like paxmao is finally realizing that Ukraine is lost. He is gradually moving from the actual war into general war theory and strategy.
In case you missed it, JD Vance said the United States could drop support for NATO...
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/linasbeliunas_in-case-you-missed-it-jd-vance-said-the-activity-7261350882582163456-sUKB?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
In case you missed it, JD Vance said the United States could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk's X
? "It's insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn't gonna be pro-free speech. I think we can do both but we've got to say American power comes with certain strings attached, one of those is respect free speech - especially in our European allies" - now Vice President-elect JD Vance (September 2024) The US/EU relations are about to enter a very new world. Wild times. P.S. for more interesting stuff, check out ?linas.substack.com?, it's the only newsletter you need for all things when Finance meets Technology. For founders, builders, and leaders....
Karma is a bitch.
Someone from UK should avoid saying that like plague
Interesting news... the crisis in China is now full blown, which means lower oil demand. I wonder what countries could be very oil export dependant, are selling to China in a large percent and have a war ongoing that they would need to finance. Which countries could be I wonder? Trump is very likely to impose tariffs. I wonder what is going to happen to global growth and price of oil in that scenario? I wonder which country could be selling for less while having to pay for more?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
Dictator’s reliable rear: Russian economy at the time of war
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Its general conclusion is that Russia has been able to withstand the blow caused by the Western sanctions due to a combination of factors, including its well developed market economy, its indispensable position as a supplier of primary commodities to the global market, highly professional responses by its government officials, and the West’s inability to isolate Russia on the international stage.
Translation: While the price of crude is above 50 a barrel, Ruzzia can keep going (burning through stored war material) for a while.
That is the truth about petro-states, even Saudi Arabia has sometimes difficulties balancing the budget and paying bonds when the oil price goes down. The Biden administration until now has prevented the worst types of strikes on oil production, but there is now no reason not to hit the oil exporting facilities, Ukraine has sufficient technology to achieve roughly 1500 km range and since Ruzzia decided to destroy the electrical infrastructure of Ukraine, there is no reason to contain or de-escalate.
This is March
https://www.ft.com/content/98f15b60-bc4d-4d3c-9e57-cbdde122ac0c
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The US has urged Ukraine to halt attacks on Russia’s energy infrastructure, warning that the drone strikes risk driving up global oil prices and provoking retaliation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
But we are in November and since Trump will "end the war in 24 hours", it is better to hurry ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6aDtShxNt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6n_AWrMByk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDwpQtOnF5U
Karma is a bitch.
Interesting news... the crisis in China is now full blown, which means lower oil demand. I wonder what countries could be very oil export dependant, are selling to China in a large percent and have a war ongoing that they would need to finance. Which countries could be I wonder? Trump is very likely to impose tariffs. I wonder what is going to happen to global growth and price of oil in that scenario? I wonder which country could be selling for less while having to pay for more?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
Dictator’s reliable rear: Russian economy at the time of war
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Its general conclusion is that Russia has been able to withstand the blow caused by the Western sanctions due to a combination of factors, including its well developed market economy, its indispensable position as a supplier of primary commodities to the global market, highly professional responses by its government officials, and the West’s inability to isolate Russia on the international stage.
Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]
Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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Kremlin says reports that Trump and Putin spoke in recent days are 'pure fiction'
That is the problem when two compulsive liers meet uh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyEOo1fqUCI
Seem the phone call did take place, but Putin is not interested in Trump's peace plan ideas.
“Donald Trump is realising how complicated this is going to be.”
Donald Trump’s reported call to Vladimir Putin backfires as the Russian leader “signals a willingness not to move on this issue”, says Julia Manchester, reporter in Washington DC for The Hill.
So what happens in the situation if Ukraine plays ball and sits at the negotiating table and Russia doesn't?
Well, if Putin was going to take Ukraine in three days and it seems that he has reached around 10% in three years, my guess is that Trump will reach peace in around...two years or so?
When you make a stupid promise like Trump either you are stupid or you are not and know you will not deliver. Alternative C is that he know something we do not. The way to end the war is conceed a lot but also threaten with providing real and decisive support to Ukraine. Trump is usually about carrot and stick, it is the way he has done shady family business all his life.
Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]
Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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Kremlin says reports that Trump and Putin spoke in recent days are 'pure fiction'
That is the problem when two compulsive liers meet uh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyEOo1fqUCI
Seem the phone call did take place, but Putin is not interested in Trump's peace plan ideas.
“Donald Trump is realising how complicated this is going to be.”
Donald Trump’s reported call to Vladimir Putin backfires as the Russian leader “signals a willingness not to move on this issue”, says Julia Manchester, reporter in Washington DC for The Hill.
So what happens in the situation if Ukraine plays ball and sits at the negotiating table and Russia doesn't?
Interesting news... the crisis in China is now full blown, which means lower oil demand. I wonder what countries could be very oil export dependant, are selling to China in a large percent and have a war ongoing that they would need to finance. Which countries could be I wonder? Trump is very likely to impose tariffs. I wonder what is going to happen to global growth and price of oil in that scenario? I wonder which country could be selling for less while having to pay for more?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
BTW now that the US elections have finished, the band on destroying oil facilities is lifted. I wonder which country is at war, cannot defend it's skies and has many, many oil facilities...?
Trump will punish Putin, you'll see. And he will have a good dialogue and partnership with Zelensky.
I bet even Trump have no idea what will Trump do
Trump will punish Putin, you'll see. And he will have a good dialogue and partnership with Zelensky.
BTW, man is an Ukrainian and professor in Canada...fact that you choose (like Boris Johnson) to
label everyone seeking for peaceful solution as propagandist or traitor speaks volumes about
you as a person...some people like you at least took gun and went to help instead of
promoting violence on web from safety
Trump will want Ukraine and Russia to be quickly done and dusted so he can move onto other election promises. But I think he's wading into a conflict he has little understanding of.
I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.
What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.
I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.
I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.
What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.
I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.
Trump sees China as its biggest risk. As such his priority would be to drive Russia as far away from China as possible.
You're still thinking of this as if Ukraine has any choice in any of this. Wars are expensive, and stopping one is easy. No money = no war. Look up what happened last time Ukrainian aid package made it through US congress. They're trying to rush the remainder of that aid out to Ukraine now, but there's only enough for Ukraine to last few more months after that...? Now consider that republicans got both chambers, and the position of speaker of the house, VP's and president on Ukraine. And now ask yourself if the next aid package will be approved, if so how long will Ukraine have to wait this time without aid, and will it be less same or more than the last one (we all see how much progress Ukraine was able to achieve with the current rate of aid).
This didn't address my question.
What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
But what happens if they can't agree? That's my question.
If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid.
If Trump increases aid to Ukraine, according to this forum thread, that will drag out the war. Trumps breaks an election promise of a quick resolve.
If Trump does nothing it's an election promise broken and China emboldened.
You see it easy to come up with simple answers to complicated problems when you're a presidential candidate with no responsibility. But Trump won, and when he takes office it will be his responsibility; simple answers to complicated problems are then not useful.
In wars no one cares about what you want it's what you can get.
Support for sending money to Ukraine is eroding, it's uneven and much lower with republicans than democrats. Discussing what if Trump decides to ignore his party, break his promise and send even more money to the person he blames for starting war and called the greatest salesman on Earth" for having solicited and received billions of dollars of U.S. military aid, is like discussing what if Martians show up and start helping Ukraine. Let's keep the discussion to what is plausible.
Money is running out for Ukraine and everyone at the negotiation table knows it, and all outcomes must be based on this. In politics there's not always a good option available. Most of the time you have to compromise between bad and worse, and on top of that the bad/worse positions often flip between short and long terms.
Also, Ukraine has issues with manpower, North Koreans is sending some troops to Russia, even if Trump could send more money to Ukraine what do you think it would achieve?
So no, Trump will not increase aid to Ukraine and EU cannot compensate that. Zelenskiy would step down, get a cozy spot in US, and let his team negotiate the terms. In a hypothetical where he just goes mad and refuses to accept reality, his generals would find a way to force him one way or the other (as history shows).
You picked the "If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid." option (I think). That's okay, just asking peoples opinion that's all.
Myself, I don't know the answer.
Poor paxmao, top EU official just admit USA is calling shots about Ukraine
and EU absolutely has no saying, despite Ukraine been in Europe. Now
that Trump won, he can speak freely, and this is what he said:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855804917103124893
and EU absolutely has no saying, despite Ukraine been in Europe. Now
that Trump won, he can speak freely, and this is what he said:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855804917103124893
Branko, you are going to get an indigestion picking so many red cherries.
*propaganda removed*
EU officials are been silent because they're AFRAID...now, how come? In your world everyone is afraid of Russia, not USA
Maybe Gladio is still alive, after all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/georgian-pm-says-eu-official-made-horrific-threat/ar-BB1mW6hA
Silent silent silent...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/9/eu-borrell-unwavering-support-ukraine-donald-trumps-win
Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]
Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
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What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
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What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
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Go on, please, keep on predicting what Trump is going to do, do not deprive me of the pleasure of quoting you in a couple of months.
You misattributed cpu6502's quote to me. Fix it!
Quote from: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/9/eu-borrell-unwavering-support-ukraine-donald-trumps-win
“The clear purpose of this visit is to express European Union support to Ukraine – this support remains unwavering,” Borrell, who is set to leave office next month, told journalists in Kyiv on Saturday.
you can also pull some quotes from Nuland, Boris and Biden they'd be just as relevant to keep Ukraine's morale up a tiny bit longer Poor paxmao, top EU official just admit USA is calling shots about Ukraine
and EU absolutely has no saying, despite Ukraine been in Europe. Now
that Trump won, he can speak freely, and this is what he said:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855804917103124893
and EU absolutely has no saying, despite Ukraine been in Europe. Now
that Trump won, he can speak freely, and this is what he said:
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1855804917103124893
Branko, you are going to get an indigestion picking so many red cherries.
*propaganda removed*
EU officials are been silent because they're AFRAID...now, how come? In your world everyone is afraid of Russia, not USA
Maybe Gladio is still alive, after all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/georgian-pm-says-eu-official-made-horrific-threat/ar-BB1mW6hA
Silent silent silent...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/9/eu-borrell-unwavering-support-ukraine-donald-trumps-win
Note that if Trump wants to shut the war down really fast, all he has to do is see to it that the US sends $200-billion to Russia. [Video included at the site.]
Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
[...]
Vlad Putin: “We Are Ready to Speak with Trump – His Behavior When There Was an Attempt on His Life, I Was Impressed
[...]
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Kremlin says reports that Trump and Putin spoke in recent days are 'pure fiction'
That is the problem when two compulsive liers meet uh?
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What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
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What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
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Trump is a wildcard, the permanent system risk for everyone ,,, where there is risk, there is opportunity.
Not to distract from the above two posts, but here is Trump talking to Putin.
Trump Speaks on the Phone With Russia’s Putin, Advises Him Not To Escalate Conflict in Ukraine
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/trump-speaks-phone-russias-putin-advises-him-not/
After President-Elect Donald J. Trump spoke on the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday (6), in a call with the participation of tech billionaire and new ally Elon Musk, the expectation was on as to a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
And today (10) reports arose that Trump has already spoken to Putin on Thursday (7) and took the opportunity to discussed the war in Ukraine, according to the Washington Post (behind a paywall).
Reuters reported:
"Trump advised Putin not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of 'Washington's sizeable military presence in Europe', the Post reported.
During the election campaign, Trump said he would find a solution to end the war 'within a day', but did not explain how he would do so."
Other sources say the two leaders also discussed peace on the European continent, as and discussed a further call soon in which they'd look into the resolution of the war in Ukraine.
One day later Friday, the Kremlin said Putin was 'ready to discuss Ukraine with Trump' but that this fact did not mean that Putin would alter Moscow's demands.
"On June 14, Putin set out his terms for an end to the war: Ukraine would have to drop its NATO ambitions and withdraw all of its troops from all of the territory of four regions claimed by Russia."
This enumeration of demands by the Reuters report is not wrong, but incomplete. There's also the question of the denazification of Kiev's regime, the demilitarization of Ukraine and the protection of the rights of the Russian-speaking population.
Ukraine rejected those demands, saying it would be capitulation.
Sky News reported:
"A Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesman has said that Kyiv was not offered any advanced notice of a reported call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin."
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Trump Speaks on the Phone With Russia’s Putin, Advises Him Not To Escalate Conflict in Ukraine
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/trump-speaks-phone-russias-putin-advises-him-not/
After President-Elect Donald J. Trump spoke on the phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday (6), in a call with the participation of tech billionaire and new ally Elon Musk, the expectation was on as to a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
And today (10) reports arose that Trump has already spoken to Putin on Thursday (7) and took the opportunity to discussed the war in Ukraine, according to the Washington Post (behind a paywall).
Reuters reported:
"Trump advised Putin not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of 'Washington's sizeable military presence in Europe', the Post reported.
During the election campaign, Trump said he would find a solution to end the war 'within a day', but did not explain how he would do so."
Other sources say the two leaders also discussed peace on the European continent, as and discussed a further call soon in which they'd look into the resolution of the war in Ukraine.
One day later Friday, the Kremlin said Putin was 'ready to discuss Ukraine with Trump' but that this fact did not mean that Putin would alter Moscow's demands.
"On June 14, Putin set out his terms for an end to the war: Ukraine would have to drop its NATO ambitions and withdraw all of its troops from all of the territory of four regions claimed by Russia."
This enumeration of demands by the Reuters report is not wrong, but incomplete. There's also the question of the denazification of Kiev's regime, the demilitarization of Ukraine and the protection of the rights of the Russian-speaking population.
Ukraine rejected those demands, saying it would be capitulation.
Sky News reported:
"A Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesman has said that Kyiv was not offered any advanced notice of a reported call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin."
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Trump will want Ukraine and Russia to be quickly done and dusted so he can move onto other election promises. But I think he's wading into a conflict he has little understanding of.
I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.
What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.
I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.
I mean what will Trump do if Ukraine and Russia both reject the "peace" deal?
Ukraine won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want back what was stolen.
Russia won't be happy with battle lines frozen because they want all of Ukraine and the current government removed.
What will Trump do then do you think? I really don't know.
I guess stopping the war is kinda easy sort of.
But keeping it stopped is a totally different beast altogether; that's the hard part.
Trump sees China as its biggest risk. As such his priority would be to drive Russia as far away from China as possible.
You're still thinking of this as if Ukraine has any choice in any of this. Wars are expensive, and stopping one is easy. No money = no war. Look up what happened last time Ukrainian aid package made it through US congress. They're trying to rush the remainder of that aid out to Ukraine now, but there's only enough for Ukraine to last few more months after that...? Now consider that republicans got both chambers, and the position of speaker of the house, VP's and president on Ukraine. And now ask yourself if the next aid package will be approved, if so how long will Ukraine have to wait this time without aid, and will it be less same or more than the last one (we all see how much progress Ukraine was able to achieve with the current rate of aid).
This didn't address my question.
What you suggest is a way to get Ukraine to the negotiating table. That makes sense.
Trump could threaten to increase aid to Ukraine to get Russia to the table. That makes sense too.
But what happens if they can't agree? That's my question.
If Trump reduces aid to Ukraine, it emboldens China (and others), increasing the risk to US from China. The very thing you said his priority was to avoid.
If Trump increases aid to Ukraine, according to this forum thread, that will drag out the war. Trumps breaks an election promise of a quick resolve.
If Trump does nothing it's an election promise broken and China emboldened.
You see it easy to come up with simple answers to complicated problems when you're a presidential candidate with no responsibility. But Trump won, and when he takes office it will be his responsibility; simple answers to complicated problems are then not useful.
In wars no one cares about what you want it's what you can get.
Support for sending money to Ukraine is eroding, it's uneven and much lower with republicans than democrats. Discussing what if Trump decides to ignore his party, break his promise and send even more money to the person he blames for starting war and called the greatest salesman on Earth" for having solicited and received billions of dollars of U.S. military aid, is like discussing what if Martians show up and start helping Ukraine. Let's keep the discussion to what is plausible.
This is what Donald Trump Jr tweeted just today:
Money is running out for Ukraine and everyone at the negotiation table knows it, and all outcomes must be based on this. In politics there's not always a good option available. Most of the time you have to compromise between bad and worse, and on top of that the bad/worse positions often flip between short and long terms.
Also, Ukraine has issues with manpower, North Koreans is sending some troops to Russia, even if Trump could send more money to Ukraine what do you think it would achieve?
So no, Trump will not increase aid to Ukraine and EU cannot compensate that. Zelenskiy would step down, get a cozy spot in US, and let his team negotiate the terms. In a hypothetical where he just goes mad and refuses to accept reality, his generals would find a way to force him one way or the other (as history shows).
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