Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 8. (Read 73468 times)

Or maybe they are exactly what it looks like: soldiers to be used like any other and be meat-waved without any political repercussion for Putin. Regardless of any other result, Kim would not survive physically any short of confrontation with NATO. I am sure Kim does care about his bloated existence. You are fantasizing on this one.

At the moment the major risk to Ukraine is Trump's presidency. My guess he is going to broker a botched deal that leaves Putin stronger and all the rest worse-off, but we will see.

What a NATO member gets and what they are hoping they get are two different things. Also, NATO members get some other things that are not listed. One of the worst is taxation from the Western banking system... taxation in a hidden form that the banking system is using to take over the world.

Moscow's rights are just the same as any other rights. Moscow doesn't rule except that people - and God - allow her to rule.

In this war, Russia isn't the one who is trying to take over the world. Rather, it is the Western banking system. However, the way they are going about it is causing them to lose it all. But it is the last chance they will have, so they might as well try.

Dima layed out the hypothesis that I had not thought of on his 'military summary channel' show a few days ago:  Are the DPRK forces just 'human shields' waiting to get hit by NATO in order for Kim to take action?  What if it is mutually decided to have DPRK chilling out in countries which are not part of the war at present such as Belarus?

If green-lighted, various NATO countries can use their national forces (technical advisers) and their weapons to attack 'deep inside of Russia' from the soil of Ukraine.

By the same logic, the DPRK could use their forces and their weapons to counter-attack 'deep inside of NATO countries' from the soil of Ukraine, or for that matter any soil upon which they had been assaulted.

Maybe NATO could go after North Korea on the basis of a mutual defense pact, but it's a long way from the 'North Atlantic', and it could well mean the end of South Korea and Japan and a lot of shit in that region which is dear to the U.S..  I'm guessing that Kim would not give a shit how things go, and would recognize that a re-unified Korea will be the fallout.  He's in the same situation as Russia is in Ukraine in that time is on his side in ground forces war of attrition.  And South Korea is MUCH harder to use as an American proxy landmass for doing the actual fighting than has been Ukraine...which has been plenty difficult already.

Absurd? Ok, lets see what any NATO member gets:

- Unrestricted support IN CASE THEY ARE ATTACKED.
- nuclear deterrence so that they do not get nuked.
- economic growth and cooperation.
- Included in security plans and a security architecture.

So... yes, it is no more than anyone else's getting, it is pretty much the right to have a safe country, but let's go to a proper source, because that is NOT the plan proposed:

https://war.ukraine.ua/faq/zelenskyys-10-point-peace-plan/


All this seems anything but absurd to me. Pay reparations, pay for crimes, return hostages, get out, never come back. Some of this is not achievable in practice, but there is nothing outlandish, just a country wishing to live in peace and free from the Ruzzian barbary.

I just do not get why people think Moscow has any right to rule people who do not what to be ruled by them. It is Dark Ages thinking - like King by the grace of God or ruler by "right of conquest". Come back to this century.

That's my question. Is Biden faking senility, so that if he is ever brought to trial, his people can say that he was mentally unfit all along. Then he can get off for temporary - 30+-year - insanity.

The whole time it being an extremely productive slush fund for the Biden clan.  Imagine that!

Took Biden more than 30 years, but he got the job done.

Mr President could you please destroy Ukraine
https://youtu.be/fYTadGT5oqg

Sometime check out credit card interest in the US and the UK. It can easily go over 24%. You are talking a double standard in Paxmania.

The point is, no matter the problems in Russia, they are just as bad in the West. It's like having a fever. Sometimes you simply have to sweat it out.

It will be interesting to see if the BRICS nations will win, or if the West will win. Seems that the Ukraine war is the testing ground. Too bad that it has cost so many people their lives.


"Victory Plan" Or Deadly Delusion? Zelensky's Perilous Five-Point Plan

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/victory-plan-or-deadly-delusion-zelenskys-perilous-five-point-plan
Until now, all that Zelensky would say in public was that this clandestine plan paradoxically would not require negotiation with Putin, but also provides a way to strengthen Ukraine in order to "push Putin" to diplomatically end the war. Tone deaf in the extreme, several weeks ago Zelensky brazenly flew on a US Air Force C-17 transport plane into the key battleground state of Pennsylvania to visit a munitions plant before hectoring the United Nations General Assembly on this special plan. Election interference be damned!

Blessed with Zelensky's grand reveal of his vaunted five-point plan to the Ukrainian parliament on October 16, the tragic farce of the "Victory Plan" sharpens into focus.

Still shielding "three secret" addenda from the general public, Zelensky's top goal is as unsurprising as it is meretricious: an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO.

Zelensky hopes that NATO nations will grant Ukraine's application for admission, which it submitted over two years ago. Ukraine's Victory plan is little more than a Hail Mary. Why would NATO nations suddenly wish to jump headlong into the fray now, as Ukraine's already-dim prospects admittedly vanish, which cannot be papered over even by friendly commentators?

The patent absurdity of the Victory Plan does not stop there. Zelensky's other four points involve:

(1) unrestricted Western support for unrestricted warfare;

(2) "non-nuclear deterrence" to "safeguard the country against future" Russian "aggression";

(3) "economic growth and cooperation," which includes further Russian sanctions plus joint investment opportunities; and

(4) a "post-war security architecture," in which Ukraine's "large and experienced military force" can help secure Europe.

Zelensky seeks to unleash the Ukrainian military, hitherto shackled by arbitrary US restraints on long-range strikes into Russia. This invitation to nuclear war is bad enough, but he also seeks funds, arms, and intelligence from the West beyond the already-prodigious aid and comfort shuttled off these past two years. Additionally, this plank demands for Ukraine "additional supplies of long-range capabilities," asks for the West to take out Russian missiles and drones, and suggests further ground invasions of Russia to create "buffer zones." As Russia expands and lowers the bar for using nuclear weapons, Zelensky means to thrash about Russia like an elephant in a Matryoshka shop.
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First things first. You are Ruzzia economy is going great, but you say nothing at a 21% rate.

Second you say the US wanted to steal Siberia, which is pretty much in the middle of the Ruzzian Federation and has nearly no possible physical link with US. You have provided vage allegations about the CIA. I am waiting for proof.

You are saying the CIA and MI6 has tried to infiltrate the Slavic nations and I say YES and not only those, also all Latin America, South East Asia, Central Europa and everywhere else. That is what secret services do. Just as the USSR and Ruzzia have infiltrated and keep infiltrating the Western nations and interfered with elections. Minus one point for everyone.

You say people of Slavic nations understand this. You mean, like Estonia, Lithuania, Letonia? Ask them if they'd like to be ruled from Moscow again: hint, they don't. There is no particularly good reason for Slavs to be ruled by Moscow in the interest of Moscow.

No you are not KGB, you at most could be FSB (and you are not either, you may be a Chinese Texan at most). Putin has not resurrected it, he IS the FSB and grew up in the ranks of the FSB, seriously you did not know that??

I am from Paxmania, we only have the Paxmanian self-defence forces who are armed with fairy powder and unicorn poo.

I most certainly like freedom the way we have it in the UK and the US. However, Russia is free, because they found out the hard way that enslaving people doesn't work. And they want their nation to work just as any government does.

When you search for it, you will find that the CIA has been infiltrating the Slavic nations - to say nothing about the rest of the world - to influence them against Russia. But the peoples of the Slavic nations understand this. Those nations that are strong enough throw the CIA influence out. And that's to say nothing about MI6 influence... which might be greater than the CIA even though it is more hidden.

Just curious. Are you MI6? To be fair, I'm not KGB, which Putin has resurrected to combat the CIA and MI6, just as the Russian military is wiping the Ukrainian military.

Nope, the point you were making is that the Ruzzia economy is going superb, and it is not the case. It has high inflation and awful interest rates.

Ruzzia was effective doing business as usual... except for two little tiny details: Annexing Crimea a waging a covert war in the Donbas.

Have you got any argument to say the US or other wanted to "steal Siberia" ... I mean, if that was even physically possible. Ruzzia did try to wipe "the West", they simply lost because it is not much of a country. They can cause trouble an misery, but not ever able to produce anything good for the world, just destruction.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/fall-of-communism

But the point is, Russia was doing standard business with the West. Suddenly they find that the West has lied to them, and then frozen their business assets.

The greedy West is trying to steal Russia and Siberia from Russia. And Russia fell for it. If they had been smart, they would have wiped the West out long ago.

But they played dumb... simply because they want to do business with other people and nations. But you can only play dumb for just so long. Then you have to stand up for your rights, like Russia finally is.

We have the same inflation in Croatia since we swapped national currency for Euro, yet not many people die from hunger

UK, though:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xeyx7x75eo.amp

"A record 9.3 million people - including one in five children - are facing hunger and hardship in the UK, according to an anti-poverty charity."

Those are 3rd world numbers

I am not ignoring anything dumBAss, Ruzzia has an inflation that can be compared to third world countries, the interest rates are above anything you see in an industrialised country. If you are going to argue that Ruzzia is going well economically, you should have a look at all the numbers, not the ones that fit your bias.

All countries are playing what you call "the West game" because it is the only game worth playing. Iran, Ruzzia, China... they are led by force and there is no-one who will trust the shitcoins of these countries.

US and EU have blocked 250 billions of assets from Ruzzia. Any future peace agreement will have to consider what happens to those assets. I would not like to be sitting in from of Putin having to explain it when he figures out that is something that is going to be on the table when the talks begins.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-where-are-russias-300-billion-reserves-frozen-west-2023-12-28/


To put it into context, is 50% of Ruzzias GDP. I guess everyone wants to get something back... Ukraine their country, Ruzzia their money.

^^^ You ignore that Russia was playing the West's game. How do we know? By the $billions that they had in Western banks with which to trade with the West.

Then the West broke a bunch of agreements with Russia - including that they would not push NATO further East. And when Russia retaliated to protect themselves, the West froze their money in the Western banks.

Now, Russia is pulling out of their losses, and becoming extremely powerful. And you don't like it because you were probably one of those who was screwing Russia all along, and lying to them.



Do you know how weak the West really is? Look at a map of Russia and Siberia. It's gigantic... way bigger than China, and maybe bigger than China and the US combined. NATO is tiny land-wise.

If the West had any strength, they would simply take the Russian land. But they can't because Russia is way too strong. Wake up and see that it is Russia's patience that is keeping you and all of the UK from being destroyed in WW3... WW3 that the US is pushing into being, and the UK that Russia would strike first in nuclear war.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-interest-rates-0fa1d7385be622fd98756a5b4e715262



https://www.focus-economics.com/country-indicator/russia/inflation/#:~:text=Consumer%20price%20inflation%20in%20Russia,information%2C%20visit%20our%20dedicated%20page.
You better be growing reaaally fast if you have this rates and this inflation (13% in 2022 an getting there in 2024). This is real, this is about the Ruzzian families having to pay for their food at double and thinking how are they going to make it to the next month. I guess one option is to go fight for Putin, nothing could go wrong of course.

Ruzzia knows they cannot keep pushing forever... but the west can if so wants.

About the Kremlin Kola and StarsPutins... sure, go for it... I mean, if you can afford it.


Oh, seems like Ruzzia is smoking also in UK. More reasons to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqu1m349cy4

All these little Ukrainian games. Dead Ukraine.


Russia Is Experiencing Its "Fastest Economic Growth In The Last Decade"

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https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/russia-experiencing-its-fastest-economic-growth-last-decade
In the wake of many Western companies leaving the country or suspending their operations due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, they were quickly replaced by Russian versions.

So, instead of Starbucks, they have Stars Coffee, instead of Zara, they have Maag, and instead of Coca-Cola, Dobry Cola.

Back in April, Doby reported that its 2023 earnings were quadruple the profits made in 2022.

Connolly says that sanctions have proven ineffective, essentially resulting in sanctions evasion becoming a sector in and of itself.

This means that banned Western goods are still entering the country, with Russians able to purchase most of the products they were able to buy before the war.

This includes cars such as Mercedes and Chrysler, which end up in Russia via third countries such as Georgia, Kazakhstan and China.

Their price is higher because of the tortuous import route, but wealthy Russians can afford them.

"Many Russian small businesses have an incentive to buy goods on foreign markets, bring them back to Russia and sell them at very good margins," Connolly says.

The expert notes that before the war, Russian investment in the economy was poor, but now Russia is experiencing its "fastest economic growth in the last decade."
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The news from the front in the South are not encouraging, but Ukraine is managing well north and east, to the point of recovering some positions from time to time. Today however the new are two new deep strikes inside Ruzzia, and this may be new, in Chechnya. A military training facility, which unsurprisingly contained plenty of ammo, got into the Ruzzian space programme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGOPeUdU26E

Oh, and there was another large hit in Luhanks, I may have a video later. Large explosions and all that on an ammo depot going boom.

Maybe Mr. Kim will put an Iskander of Kinzal on 'LG Chem - Life Sciences' so they will stop sending out 'vaccines' to poison the third-world infants on their first day of life.  That would hardly break my heart.  Vietnam ran LG out after finally complying with their own rules that Vietnamese infants cannot get dosed up with jabs that are not used in the country of manufacture.