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legendary
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Some sources point to the Pope encouraging peace talks. In my view, the Pope has to seek peace, that is his endowment. Note that he urged "parties" to negotiate, not Ukraine to surrender. Unfortunately the Ruzzian proposal is simply to get all they have as of today plus all Kherson, Zaporizilla,... As anyone may understand, that is not really a plan.

Courage to negotiate goes both ways, and it seems very far away to be honest.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis-swiss-tv-interview-gaza-ukraine-wars.html

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‘Negotiations are never a surrender’
Pope Francis added that both sides of any war should always come to the table to carry out peace talks.

“Negotiations are never a surrender,” he said. “It is the courage not to carry a country to suicide.”

Speaking about peace talks, the Pope urged parties to the war in Ukraine to “not be ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

legendary
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The American DoD and many in the US government are ambitious psychotic narcissistic warmongers. They have caused the destruction of Ukraine, and are unwilling to stop the killing. Rather, many of them want further funding for Ukraine so that more Ukrainians are killed, and more Ukrainian property is destroyed.


"Putin Is A F***ing Thug": Sparks Fly During ZeroHedge Ukraine Debate



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/putin-f-thug-sparks-fly-during-zerohedge-ukraine-debate
Members of Congress rarely want to debate — even rarer in person and for 2 hours — trust us… we've asked. Thus, we have tremendous respect for Senator Ron Johnson and fmr Congressman Joe Walsh - who had the balls to defend their beliefs without reciting rehearsed talking points for a 3-minute Fox/CNN hit.

They are a rare breed on Capitol Hill. Perhaps we can get to a world where they are the norm instead of the exception.

Until then, enjoy these highlights:

Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan

"Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."
They are a rare breed on Capitol Hill. Perhaps we can get to a world where they are the norm instead of the exception. Until then, enjoy these highlights: Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan "Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."

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Senator Ron Johnson: Ukraine can't ask us for money when they've got no plan

"Enough of this fantasy. If you want any funding for Ukraine, tell me how you'll spend it to try to bring the war to an end."
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legendary
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps

UKraine is lucky that they have suppliers of more reliable weapons, like Turkey

Yes Branko, count on that - Britain not able to shoot. What could go wrong with that approach. It is a bit of old news, but there have been two "duds" when shooting test intercontinental ballistic missiles from UK subs. Keyword here "tests".

However the stormshadows seem to be performing perfectly well under real combat situation. You know, passing over the S-300 and reaching the black sea fleet?

Sure Turkiye is a good supplier, you should ask to thousands of Ruzzian soldiers about the Baryatkar. Well, you can't, they can no longer answer.
 



So, UK fails at tests, but you're sure "real thing" will work?
Such twisted logic

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I guess you would need to try to find out if "the real thing" works, just make sure you get it right, there is no second attempt.

Meanwhile seems that fronts are reasonably stabilised after the withdrawal from Avdiivka. Looks like there is a very limited exploit from Ruzzia despite many criticizing the lack of proper Ukrainian entrenchments and defence lines. I reckon a better work on that was needed.
legendary
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps
Russian propaganda and drunk Dimon Medvedev like to threaten about nuclear strikes on Washington, London or Berlin rather than Ukraine. But you're really optimistic about capabilities of Russia and that they're ready for this suicide move.
Now they threatens to hit bridges in Germany as revenge in case if Crimea bridge will be destroyed:
https://news.yahoo.com/news/russian-propagandist-lists-german-bridges-113827036.html
How pathetic...

Be glad that Putin is in there, because even drunk Dmitry Medvedev only has to hit the launch button once.

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legendary
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps
Russian propaganda and drunk Dimon Medvedev like to threaten about nuclear strikes on Washington, London or Berlin rather than Ukraine. But you're really optimistic about capabilities of Russia and that they're ready for this suicide move.
Now they threatens to hit bridges in Germany as revenge in case if Crimea bridge will be destroyed:
https://news.yahoo.com/news/russian-propagandist-lists-german-bridges-113827036.html
How pathetic...
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps

UKraine is lucky that they have suppliers of more reliable weapons, like Turkey

Yes Branko, count on that - Britain not able to shoot. What could go wrong with that approach. It is a bit of old news, but there have been two "duds" when shooting test intercontinental ballistic missiles from UK subs. Keyword here "tests".

However the stormshadows seem to be performing perfectly well under real combat situation. You know, passing over the S-300 and reaching the black sea fleet?

Sure Turkiye is a good supplier, you should ask to thousands of Ruzzian soldiers about the Baryatkar. Well, you can't, they can no longer answer.
 



So, UK fails at tests, but you're sure "real thing" will work?
Such twisted logic

I think the UK is very capable when it comes to defending itself and its allies. Even if Russia was foolish enough to launch a nuclear strike on the UK it would face instant destruction from its allies. Russia does not want this anymore than the UK do so that is why extremists need to be kept out of public office in every country.

That "allies" thing rarely work when you have to make real sacrifices...just look how France and UK jumped to help their Czechoslovakia and Poland "allies"
at start of WW2, or how USA betrayed their "allies" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam...
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps

UKraine is lucky that they have suppliers of more reliable weapons, like Turkey


I think the UK is very capable when it comes to defending itself and its allies. Even if Russia was foolish enough to launch a nuclear strike on the UK it would face instant destruction from its allies. Russia does not want this anymore than the UK do so that is why extremists need to be kept out of public office in every country.
legendary
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps

UKraine is lucky that they have suppliers of more reliable weapons, like Turkey

Yes Branko, count on that - Britain not able to shoot. What could go wrong with that approach. It is a bit of old news, but there have been two "duds" when shooting test intercontinental ballistic missiles from UK subs. Keyword here "tests".

However the stormshadows seem to be performing perfectly well under real combat situation. You know, passing over the S-300 and reaching the black sea fleet?

Sure Turkiye is a good supplier, you should ask to thousands of Ruzzian soldiers about the Baryatkar. Well, you can't, they can no longer answer.
 
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Now that UK navy proved its nuclear capabilities are non-existent, first Russian nuclear strike
will probably hit UK, not UKraine

https://youtu.be/0kvonrxGCps

UKraine is lucky that they have suppliers of more reliable weapons, like Turkey
legendary
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Meanwhile another Russian war ship turrned into submarine. Ukraine destroyed Sergey Kotov patrol ship. And again they used Magura V5 drones:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1764912010448285868
https://youtu.be/ZdNxxCU9RJQ?si=dizee_0EdvyhR_XI
Ukraine continue effectively destroying of Black Sea fleet with relatively cheap drones (cheap comparing with long range missiles).
And there was first video record of Ukraine using AASM Hammer bombs. It's closest analogue to KAB that Ukraine have
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/ukraine_strikes_russian_targets_with_french_aasm-250_bombs_for_the_first_time.html?utm_content=cmp-true
Previously these bombs were only used on F-16, French Dassault and Indian Tejas.
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It was already used on Avdiivka Coke Plant few days ago. What I can say, it looks impressive:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/french-made-aasm-bomb-strikes-russians-in-the-kherson-region/

Good thing, because this "patrol boat" was actually able to carry long range missiles. Most of the sailors were evacuated as this happened close to port, veery close to Kerch bridge (hint hint).

Also to note that the marine drones are said not to be relaying on the Starlink any longer - they have a workaround ECM measures so Ukraine can now strike at will. Some sources describe the destruction of a shipment of Kalibr missiles and the experiments around creating marine drones with either radar detection abilities or even anti-air capabilities.

There is also a confirmation of a refinery attacked successfully in Belgorod. It is one of many hits on fuel depots and refineries.

Ruzzia seems unable to generate new capabilities at the pace Ukraine is.
legendary
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Meanwhile another Russian war ship turrned into submarine. Ukraine destroyed Sergey Kotov patrol ship. And again they used Magura V5 drones:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1764912010448285868
https://youtu.be/ZdNxxCU9RJQ?si=dizee_0EdvyhR_XI
Ukraine continue effectively destroying of Black Sea fleet with relatively cheap drones (cheap comparing with long range missiles).
And there was first video record of Ukraine using AASM Hammer bombs. It's closest analogue to KAB that Ukraine have
https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/ukraine_strikes_russian_targets_with_french_aasm-250_bombs_for_the_first_time.html?utm_content=cmp-true
Previously these bombs were only used on F-16, French Dassault and Indian Tejas.
Edit.
It was already used on Avdiivka Coke Plant few days ago. What I can say, it looks impressive:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/french-made-aasm-bomb-strikes-russians-in-the-kherson-region/
legendary
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Meanwhile is time to start talking about a disaster for the Ruzzian aviation. Another A-50 and two more SU fighter / bomber. The free-ride to launch the gliding bombs is becoming more of a roulette game (I cannot avoid the pun: a Ruzzian Roulette game) and I so surprised that Ruzzis are actually letting the A-50 (this are those planes with a huge radar on-top like the AWACS) actually get in the danger zone. It smells of desperation.

The A-50s are soviet tek, the production lines are not there, the know how has been lost and the components will be nearly impossible to source. As said, buying Ukrainian agricultural land at Manhattan prices.
In the Ukrainian telegram segment, 2-3 Russian planes per day have been regularly shot down lately. The truth is very difficult to confirm, either there is none or they turn out to be fakes, such as the recent video with burning grass, which the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Oleschuk hurried to post as evidence, and then had to turn on the back one. Russia has reliably lost three aircraft recently, one A50 and two Su-35, all far behind the front line and probably without Ukrainian help at all. As for the rest of the losses, these are your wet fantasies as usual.

It has been widely discussed that a fake was posted as bait by some Ruzzi Bloggers and some Ukrainian media echoed it to then having to back off. However, there is enough evidence of several of the hits, not just of jets, but of the much more expensive and much more difficult (impossible?) to replace A-50 (not 1, 2 of those)

Is more like 1 plane a day average and certainly not three planes total. If you look at the right sources, you will notice how there are less FABs being used and that is for a reason. Seems like Ukraine is preparing to have a degree of air advantage when the F-16s arrive in summer.

But anyway, you choice to not believe it, it does not matter for the pilots - they know - and not believing it does not make the planes come back from nothingness.

edited to add: dumBAss, if ruzzia wants to destroy its air force at this pace it is absolutely fine. In fact that may convince a few more Republicans that supporting Ukraine is good value. And the same is happening with artillery, they have until 2026 at this pace... then they are at zero.
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So what does Russia gain if they can keep up their intensive air campaign for another year?Ruining their economy which they already done in the most possible successful way as the average Russian now is worthless in any place as soon as you pass the Russian border meaning they made the Russians look like dogs which no one likes and this is not something to be proud whatever the war outcome can be in the end (it is not coming to an end soon anyway).Secondly by killing like 4-5 people daily,innocent people and in some days like 20-30 in the terrorist attacks against civilians won't make Russia win anything anyway so I really am missing out on what is Russia really gaining out from this war so far?
legendary
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Meanwhile is time to start talking about a disaster for the Ruzzian aviation. Another A-50 and two more SU fighter / bomber. The free-ride to launch the gliding bombs is becoming more of a roulette game (I cannot avoid the pun: a Ruzzian Roulette game) and I so surprised that Ruzzis are actually letting the A-50 (this are those planes with a huge radar on-top like the AWACS) actually get in the danger zone. It smells of desperation.

The A-50s are soviet tek, the production lines are not there, the know how has been lost and the components will be nearly impossible to source. As said, buying Ukrainian agricultural land at Manhattan prices.
In the Ukrainian telegram segment, 2-3 Russian planes per day have been regularly shot down lately. The truth is very difficult to confirm, either there is none or they turn out to be fakes, such as the recent video with burning grass, which the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Oleschuk hurried to post as evidence, and then had to turn on the back one. Russia has reliably lost three aircraft recently, one A50 and two Su-35, all far behind the front line and probably without Ukrainian help at all. As for the rest of the losses, these are your wet fantasies as usual.

Here's a little more of the picture of what is really going on.


Mostly Unreported – Russia is Going ALL Out Now in Ukraine



https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/03/mostly-unreported-russia-is-going-all-out-now-in-ukraine.html
Russians are flying more bombing sorties than ever before. Russian air force launched more than 150 sorties involving Su-34s, Su-35s and Sukhoi Su-25 attack jets. That's 10 more daily sorties than the Russian air force flew during its previous most intensive aerial surge, concurrent with the Russian army's initial push toward Kyiv in the early weeks of Russia's two-year wider war on Ukraine.

Russian forces appear to be willing to risk continued aviation losses in pursuit of tactical gains in eastern Ukraine, likely along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Russia has about 300 fighter jets. Russia can keep up its intensive air campaign combined with a huge army offensive for close to a year.
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legendary
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Meanwhile is time to start talking about a disaster for the Ruzzian aviation. Another A-50 and two more SU fighter / bomber. The free-ride to launch the gliding bombs is becoming more of a roulette game (I cannot avoid the pun: a Ruzzian Roulette game) and I so surprised that Ruzzis are actually letting the A-50 (this are those planes with a huge radar on-top like the AWACS) actually get in the danger zone. It smells of desperation.

The A-50s are soviet tek, the production lines are not there, the know how has been lost and the components will be nearly impossible to source. As said, buying Ukrainian agricultural land at Manhattan prices.
In the Ukrainian telegram segment, 2-3 Russian planes per day have been regularly shot down lately. The truth is very difficult to confirm, either there is none or they turn out to be fakes, such as the recent video with burning grass, which the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Oleschuk hurried to post as evidence, and then had to turn on the back one. Russia has reliably lost three aircraft recently, one A50 and two Su-35, all far behind the front line and probably without Ukrainian help at all. As for the rest of the losses, these are your wet fantasies as usual.

I saw that the Ukies bagged three Imperial Battle Cruisers a couple of Death-Stars as well (to steal a joke from Dima of Military Summary Channel fame.)

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Meanwhile is time to start talking about a disaster for the Ruzzian aviation. Another A-50 and two more SU fighter / bomber. The free-ride to launch the gliding bombs is becoming more of a roulette game (I cannot avoid the pun: a Ruzzian Roulette game) and I so surprised that Ruzzis are actually letting the A-50 (this are those planes with a huge radar on-top like the AWACS) actually get in the danger zone. It smells of desperation.

The A-50s are soviet tek, the production lines are not there, the know how has been lost and the components will be nearly impossible to source. As said, buying Ukrainian agricultural land at Manhattan prices.
In the Ukrainian telegram segment, 2-3 Russian planes per day have been regularly shot down lately. The truth is very difficult to confirm, either there is none or they turn out to be fakes, such as the recent video with burning grass, which the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force Oleschuk hurried to post as evidence, and then had to turn on the back one. Russia has reliably lost three aircraft recently, one A50 and two Su-35, all far behind the front line and probably without Ukrainian help at all. As for the rest of the losses, these are your wet fantasies as usual.
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This is worth considering because if what this lady says is true, a LOT of stuff falls neatly into place.  For instance, the funding that got the Azov fake-nazis going (Kolomoyskyi) and the extreme closeness/involvement of the American neocons (Nudelman/Nuland ilk) with the post 2014 'leadership' running the on-the-ground elements of Ukraine project.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/PTG0Z7g05QsV/

The above is why I would and often do refer to Ukrainian power-structures as 'Ziocons'.  These fuckers would gladly sacrifice America for their pet projects, especially since the controlled demolition of the U.S. and other Western countries is on their TODO list anyway.

legendary
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It is behind a paywall and as you may understand I am not paying for "The Telegraph". I am fully aware that many nations are supporting Ukraine and doing what they think is best - but not NATO as such. I am not sure how much do you understand about NATO, but it is not just the troops or the intel, there is a full logistical and command structure.

But let's put thing into the right context, Germany did not want this war and they are super-cool with re-stablishing relations with Ruzzia ASAP. They have given Ukraine just enough (perhaps not enough) to stop Ruzzia, but never to deliver a proper blow. This is by design, they do not want an angry Ruzzia because they want to keep trading and laundering their money, but on the other side they do not want them near their borders.

And once you consider this, you may understand why Scholz is saying such niceties about others, while picturing himself as "more neutral".

As I have said, there is one winner of this war. Is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Germany,....you know who is.

Meanwhile,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1HLJjyKas


You (by that I mean UK) didn't say "Germans lie", you said "omg, you Germans revealed classified info about UK direct involvement
of UK troops on the battlefield")
But sure, keep digging in deeper in your lies

You are assuming too much about me and I cannot answer for what whatever government says or does not say. All I am saying is that when you say that NATO as such is active in Ukraine - as in NATO mandated troops with the NATO structure behind is not correct (I am not going to say it is a "lie" but...).

There are many countries with many different interests around Ukraine, Ruzzia, Europe and the rest of the world. For example France is fine with Ruzzia having a long and resource intensive war. The more Ruzzia spends in Ukraine, the less they can carry out business as usual in Africa. Germany would rather have Ruzzia going back to the international order and keep supplying cheap commodities for the industry. The Baltic countries and Poland want Ruzzia well away and Poland would rather not have to compete with Ukrainian grain, while other countries would be fine with cheaper food. US is happy to have another country depending on them for their defence... and paying the tag.

NATO is simply built around an agreement for mutual defence. It may be the case that the war in Ukraine eventually becomes considered so, but it is not the case as of now.

But, despite all this, my main consideration is about the people living in Ukraine being able to have a good future... of their choice.
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It is behind a paywall and as you may understand I am not paying for "The Telegraph". I am fully aware that many nations are supporting Ukraine and doing what they think is best - but not NATO as such. I am not sure how much do you understand about NATO, but it is not just the troops or the intel, there is a full logistical and command structure.

But let's put thing into the right context, Germany did not want this war and they are super-cool with re-stablishing relations with Ruzzia ASAP. They have given Ukraine just enough (perhaps not enough) to stop Ruzzia, but never to deliver a proper blow. This is by design, they do not want an angry Ruzzia because they want to keep trading and laundering their money, but on the other side they do not want them near their borders.

And once you consider this, you may understand why Scholz is saying such niceties about others, while picturing himself as "more neutral".

As I have said, there is one winner of this war. Is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Germany,....you know who is.

Meanwhile,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1HLJjyKas


You (by that I mean UK) didn't say "Germans lie", you said "omg, you Germans revealed classified info about UK direct involvement
of UK troops on the battlefield")
But sure, keep digging in deeper in your lies
legendary
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INB4 Paxmao comes and tells us (again) NATO  is not directly involved:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/28/british-soldiers-help-ukraine-fire-missiles-olaf-scholz/

NATO troops are not deployed in Ukraine. The NATO command structure and military means are not being used in Ukraine. If it were, Ruzzia would be celebrating "victories" in the outskirts of Moscow.

Germany, France, Italy, Spain.... oh and thanks to Putin, Finland and Sweden, are sovereign states that can choose to enter in whichever bilateral agreement they want. I know you struggle with the concept of sovereign states and certainly you struggle a lot with "agreements".

Germany is not only helping Ukraine with material and intelligence, but also the UK army has trained thousand of Ukrainians, France has provided SCALPS and nearly every country in Europe has in some way supported Ukraine. This is not NATO, you would have noticed.





Try reading again...Scholz makes you look foolish

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It is behind a paywall and as you may understand I am not paying for "The Telegraph". I am fully aware that many nations are supporting Ukraine and doing what they think is best - but not NATO as such. I am not sure how much do you understand about NATO, but it is not just the troops or the intel, there is a full logistical and command structure.

But let's put thing into the right context, Germany did not want this war and they are super-cool with re-stablishing relations with Ruzzia ASAP. They have given Ukraine just enough (perhaps not enough) to stop Ruzzia, but never to deliver a proper blow. This is by design, they do not want an angry Ruzzia because they want to keep trading and laundering their money, but on the other side they do not want them near their borders.

And once you consider this, you may understand why Scholz is saying such niceties about others, while picturing himself as "more neutral".

As I have said, there is one winner of this war. Is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Germany,....you know who is.

Meanwhile,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l1HLJjyKas
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