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legendary
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November 19, 2024, 10:54:47 PM
However, Biden has promised to send as much money to Ukraine as he can before his term is up. Of course, it's up to Congress to give him the money. Will Congress follow through with Biden's demands, especially that Trump might somehow exact on them some form of 'punishment' if they do?

Biden made a promise 20-some years ago that he would conquer Russia, and use Ukraine to do it. This whole stupid war that has killed hundreds of thousands of troops is Biden trying to fulfill that promise... for himself if not for the nation. And the world has to put up with the results.

Somebody should remove Biden from office right now rather than waiting for the end of his term.

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legendary
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November 19, 2024, 10:17:14 PM
Crazy this war has been going for almost 3 years already. I didn't think Russia would keep it up for so long, as they apparently can't achieve any kind of a victory. Or at least enough of one for Putin to hang his hat on. The upside is nobody cares any more (unless you are Russian or Ukrainian). Certainly the markets don't care. This is a good thing.
legendary
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November 19, 2024, 09:07:23 PM
Russia made it clear and inscribed it into their laws that if there is a grouping of nations which are collectively antagonistic to Russia, a response to an belligerent action will be taken against _any_ member of this group without regard to which one(s) largely produced the action.

This actually seems fairly reasonable to me.

The most obvious group is NATO.  American ATACMS landed deep within Russia, and very soon afterwards undersea cables between Germany and Scandanavia had some issues.

Knocking out some data cables is actually pretty weak-sauce and I would expect rapid escalation up to and including decimating regions which Russia might find problematic and/or may wish to integrate into their zones of control at some point.  Some of the Baltics would seem to fit the bill.

We have dyed-in-the-wool neo-crazies formulating policy and guiding a drooling idiot in charge of the execution of NATO activities at this time.  I would hope that Russia, in the interest of commendable behavior, would give some of these dink-states at least one opportunity to denounce and get the fuck out of NATO without delay.  I doubt that almost any of them would have signed up had they known that it was not a 'defensive' organization at all and would degenerate to engaging in suicidal behavior with their asses getting hit first.

I hope to hell that this insanity finally puts and end to NATO before they get us all killed.

legendary
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November 19, 2024, 08:01:07 PM

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You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?


Back in 1990 when Ukraine voted for staying in USSR they should honor the voice of the people. That would make everything much simpler.
Instead, they gave UK 30 years time to transform Ukraine into anti-Russia

Zelensky is threatening to make nuclear missiles to use against Russia. By the time he gets them made, Russia will have taken Ukraine completely over, and Putin will use the Ukraine missiles on the UK.

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sr. member
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November 19, 2024, 09:17:05 AM


The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:


I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread

You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?


Back in 1990 when Ukraine voted for staying in USSR they should honor the voice of the people. That would make everything much simpler.
Instead, they gave UK 30 years time to transform Ukraine into anti-Russia
legendary
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November 19, 2024, 09:12:14 AM


The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:


I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread

You speaking of predictability is the sea speaking of wetness.

Ok, so now we know your opinion about my posting.

But, you have carefully avoided to speak about the asymmetry in your measuring stick. For example, the UK is a criminal in the garden of Ruzzia. So Branko, what is Ukraine for you? Comm'on, write it, put it in words. Is it Ruzzia's garden or not? Does Ukraine have to be ruled from Moscow in your opinion or does it have to be "independent" as long as they do not become "too independent" meaning choosing anything that is not being under Moscow's influence (or dictate better).

I am sure you have some opinions on this?

Is it Ruzzia's attempts to influence the Western elections better or worse than US and other's doing aggressive diplomacy all over?
Does Putin have any more rights to rule than anyone else?
Is it OK if North Korea is about to send 100.000 soldier's but is not OK is ATACAMS are authorised to destroy them?
Is Zelensky a criminal, but Putin a hero?

Your bias is so extreme that either someone brainwashed you to black-belt level or you are probably not able to believe what you write.
sr. member
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November 19, 2024, 09:07:17 AM


The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:


I did it because you're so f***g predictable, lol. 3rd rate AI bot would do better job.
You're basically making same post 1000X times already in this thread
legendary
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November 19, 2024, 08:07:18 AM
This is crazy. With the US supplying long range weapons and Russia potentially responding with nuclear weapons, we could officially have World War III upon us at any moment. Actual textbook defined people learning about it forever WWIII. I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.

Ruzzia, which has been using all short of missiles, ballistic and cruise since the beginning of the war and has now called on soldiers of a third party nation - North Korea - to fight and kill Ukrainians, is using Iranian drones against Ukrainian cities has ever shown any level of "restrain" other than the strictly necessary to avoid getting NATO involved.

Why should we decide that Ukraine has to receive all that destruction and death while not delivering an equivalent response?

You "hopium" about the abilities of Trump is absolutely cute.

Again, if you have an enemy in front that has ballistic missiles that - that is your assumption, which I think is wrong - can have nuclear warheads and you do not know if what they launch is or not a nuclear warhead, the safest and best option is to leave that enemy alone them alone. Problem solved.


If you force armed criminal out of your house, can you sleep well if he is (still armed) sleeping in your garden?
(criminal here been UK, not Ukraine)

Also, let me cite Putin:

"The fact is, and I have already spoken about it, and every expert, including our Western one, will confirm this, that the Ukrainian army is not capable of firing modern, high-precision and long-range systems of Western production. They cannot do it. This is possible only with the use of satellite intelligence, which Ukraine does not possess. This is data from satellites of the European Union or the United States, essentially NATO satellites. That is the first point. The second and perhaps most important point is that flight missions for these missile systems can, in essence, only be programmed by NATO military personnel. Ukrainian military personnel cannot do this. Therefore, it is not a question of allowing or prohibiting the Ukrainian regime from attacking Russia with these weapons. The question is whether NATO countries will decide to directly participate in the military conflict. If such a decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct involvement of NATO countries, the United States and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This direct involvement will significantly change the nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States and European nations are at war with Russia. And if that is the case, given the fundamental change in the nature of this conflict, we will make decisions accordingly, based on the threats that are being imposed on us."

The most interesting thing about this rubbish post is that you had to clarify who is in whose garden, because it is obvious who is the invading criminal. Let's start by puting it rigth:

No, you absolutely have the right to kick the criminal's ass out of Ukraine your garden.

See, that is the problem, you are still in the mindset that Ukraine is the garden of Ruzzia - a piece of land and many people there just to serve Moscow's interests whose only right is to accept whatever Moscow decides about them (e.g. being killed by hunger, winters or bombs). Any and all your comments are tainted by the supremacist thought and everything you say makes only sense to those who accept that somehow there is a "divine right" or rule by Moscow and anything else is because of "external enemies". Of course you can justify anything under that premise - and you do in every post tbh.

On what Putin says, well, he says so many things... you can tell he is lying easily. Is he moving his lips? Then he is lying.

But even it that is correct, I see no problem with it. If North Korean soldiers can fight for Ruzzia and can take artillery pieces and supply shells, Iran can provide an endless supply of drones and even ballistic missiles, China is smuggling parts and components (from the West by the way) and India is bying cheap oil from Ruzzia... well, I guess the ship of not involving others has sailed...

I do understand that this is "not the same" under your view  for the reasons previously stated (Ruzzia=good, anything else= bad)







sr. member
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November 19, 2024, 06:47:08 AM

Again, if you have an enemy in front that has ballistic missiles that - that is your assumption, which I think is wrong - can have nuclear warheads and you do not know if what they launch is or not a nuclear warhead, the safest and best option is to leave that enemy alone them alone. Problem solved.


If you force armed criminal out of your house, can you sleep well if he is (still armed) sleeping in your garden?
(criminal here been UK, not Ukraine)

Also, let me cite Putin:

"The fact is, and I have already spoken about it, and every expert, including our Western one, will confirm this, that the Ukrainian army is not capable of firing modern, high-precision and long-range systems of Western production. They cannot do it. This is possible only with the use of satellite intelligence, which Ukraine does not possess. This is data from satellites of the European Union or the United States, essentially NATO satellites. That is the first point. The second and perhaps most important point is that flight missions for these missile systems can, in essence, only be programmed by NATO military personnel. Ukrainian military personnel cannot do this. Therefore, it is not a question of allowing or prohibiting the Ukrainian regime from attacking Russia with these weapons. The question is whether NATO countries will decide to directly participate in the military conflict. If such a decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct involvement of NATO countries, the United States and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This direct involvement will significantly change the nature of the conflict. This will mean that NATO countries, the United States and European nations are at war with Russia. And if that is the case, given the fundamental change in the nature of this conflict, we will make decisions accordingly, based on the threats that are being imposed on us."
legendary
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November 19, 2024, 06:14:01 AM
I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.
The first serious test for Trump. Will he really withdraw this decision and how much this decision depends on the president?
I am interested in how everyone who supported him will feel and behave if he does not do anything about withdrawing this decision.
donator
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November 19, 2024, 04:56:28 AM
This is crazy. With the US supplying long range weapons and Russia potentially responding with nuclear weapons, we could officially have World War III upon us at any moment. Actual textbook defined people learning about it forever WWIII. I hope Russia is willing to show restraint until Trump takes office and ends this conflict.
legendary
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November 19, 2024, 04:08:46 AM
Zelensky is threatening to make nukes, and probably Ukraine has the ability. Biden is promising to send Ukraine all the money we can afford to send. Putin is threatening that this will be the final straw... Ukraine building and using nukes. How will anybody stop WW3?

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Zelensky is not "threatening", Zelensky is saying that Ukraine WILL make nukes. The reason is that there is a nearby nuclear power with an active army of over 600 that is sending missiles all over the infrastructure that Ukrainians need to heat their homes, sending meatwave after meatwave and inviting others (North Korea) to join the party.

Since Ukraine cannot defend itself, the US is threatening to cut aid and anyway they were never given what they need to win... you know... they are going to do it the Texan way: they got guns, I got guns.

I guess next time a voice in the Kremlin starts wondering about using nukes against Ukraine they will also think that there will be something coming their way too.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/26/putin-lowers-bar-for-nuclear-strike-amid-ukraine-attacks-why-it-matters

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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday warned that Russia was changing its rules towards nuclear weapons, effectively lowering the threshold at which it might use them.
newbie
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November 19, 2024, 02:47:10 AM
Zelensky is threatening to make nukes, and probably Ukraine has the ability. Biden is promising to send Ukraine all the money we can afford to send. Putin is threatening that this will be the final straw... Ukraine building and using nukes. How will anybody stop WW3?

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Of course you can, let Putin withdraw his troops and everything will be fine.
legendary
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November 18, 2024, 06:32:18 PM
Zelensky is threatening to make nukes, and probably Ukraine has the ability. Biden is promising to send Ukraine all the money we can afford to send. Putin is threatening that this will be the final straw... Ukraine building and using nukes. How will anybody stop WW3?

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legendary
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November 18, 2024, 06:23:39 PM
Well, we do know who does not care for 100% of the Ukrainians don't we?

Well, so in theory or apparently there are restrictions to use the ATACAMS and seems limited to killing North Koreans and anyone near them. I guess it is an answer to the deployment of the 170MM cal extra-long range artillery that North Korea has sent to Ukraine.

However, well, you know, just in case, I would not leave 20 or 30 aircraft in ATACAMS range, just in case the authorisation is not leaked next time. Sometimes even the threat is already a weapon.
legendary
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November 18, 2024, 09:55:54 AM
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Well looks like after RU showed it intentions on UA's power grid before the winter, Biden gave his approval for 300km ATACMS. Let's see what changes it'll bring, and what will Zelenskiy ask for next.

Point stands, Russia had a warm water port in Crimea before this started. You gave me an idea, during the negotiations, instead of transferring RU claimed land not under RU control, they can just sign a lease, like US did with Cuba, everyone should be happy with that, right?

Sure spheres of influence change all the time, but on the periphery, no one should act surprised at the results of bringing cookies right to the boarder.

That seems what the news are saying. They could have choose to "notify by doing" instead of publishing it, so I guess there a reason why the filtered that to the press instead of simply letting Ruzzia find out after getting 20 or 30 planes destroyed.

What will he ask next? Ukraine has always asked for the same thing: Go back home and make little Ruzzians with your wives instead of coming to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians while getting killed in the process of trying.

BTW, ATACAMS is not really that long range. Ruzzia will need to pull aviation further away, depots further away and be mindful that will get hit back when attacking the Ukrainian infrastructure. My guess is that the US government has considered that they have to keep "demilitarising" Ruzzia quickly as Putin is trying and failing to recover Kursk quickly.

Perhaps is like both know there is a deadline for armed actions.

Any bet on the first targets? Tangarog airbase maybe?

Think you already know the answer to that question. The reason is, as with all previous deliveries, they all coincidentally come too little and too late. Just enough to raise the morale and have a shiny headlines, not enough to effect anything, but slows the bleeding enough to keep UA fighting just a bit longer. Luckily for us all, there's a ton of communications happening behind closed doors, even Iran notified Israel before attacking. The outcome has already been decided and we're just watching the last hand being played out.

You funny. What miracle weapon UA will ask west for next: switchblades, javelins, M777, HIMARS, Patriots, Abrams, Leopards, F16, ATACMS ... we all see how effective they all were, surely the next one must make a difference.

Biden lets Ukraine use U.S.-supplied long-range missiles in Russia's Kursk region
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A source with knowledge of the issue confirmed the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) was only authorized for use in the Kursk area, where North Korean troops have been deployed.
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U.S. officials hope that if North Korean troops in Kursk are hit, Pyongyang might review its decision to send troops to Russia and the Russian counterattack in Kursk will fail.
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A Russia expert from the think-tank the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) told reporters the authorization should not be limited to the Kursk region and said Biden should drop the restriction.


So no Tangarog, RU had plenty of time to move the planes but looks like they want to attack UA power grid a bit more before the winter and needed even more time before the inconvenience of relocating planes further back. So most likely UA will just pound some sand in Kursk to send a message to North Korea. Which will surely have profound effect on North Korea because we all know how much they care about +/- 10.000 of their people  Roll Eyes
legendary
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November 18, 2024, 05:21:20 AM
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Well looks like after RU showed it intentions on UA's power grid before the winter, Biden gave his approval for 300km ATACMS. Let's see what changes it'll bring, and what will Zelenskiy ask for next.

Point stands, Russia had a warm water port in Crimea before this started. You gave me an idea, during the negotiations, instead of transferring RU claimed land not under RU control, they can just sign a lease, like US did with Cuba, everyone should be happy with that, right?

Sure spheres of influence change all the time, but on the periphery, no one should act surprised at the results of bringing cookies right to the boarder.

That seems what the news are saying. They could have choose to "notify by doing" instead of publishing it, so I guess there a reason why the filtered that to the press instead of simply letting Ruzzia find out after getting 20 or 30 planes destroyed.

What will he ask next? Ukraine has always asked for the same thing: Go back home and make little Ruzzians with your wives instead of coming to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians while getting killed in the process of trying.

BTW, ATACAMS is not really that long range. Ruzzia will need to pull aviation further away, depots further away and be mindful that will get hit back when attacking the Ukrainian infrastructure. My guess is that the US government has considered that they have to keep "demilitarising" Ruzzia quickly as Putin is trying and failing to recover Kursk quickly.

Perhaps is like both know there is a deadline for armed actions.

Any bet on the first targets? Tangarog airbase maybe?
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November 18, 2024, 03:27:08 AM
So Ukraine was allowed to use missiles at full capacity. waiting for.
legendary
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November 17, 2024, 10:10:31 PM
Looks like Joe Biden is trying to make Trump's win a moot subject. How? Worldwide nuclear war.


Is Joe Biden Trying To Start World War 3 Before He Leaves Office?



http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/is-joe-biden-trying-to-start-world-war-3-before-he-leaves-office-the-decision-to-use-long-range-missiles-to-strike-targets-deep-inside-russia-is-insane/
As if everything that Joe Biden has done so far was not enough, now he has decided to push us to the brink of nuclear war.  On Sunday, Joe Biden decided to allow Ukraine to use long-range missiles provided by the United States to hit targets deep inside of Russia.  This is a bombshell.  I don't know how else to put it.  The Russians have already warned us how they will respond if long-range missiles provided by the United States and other NATO countries start raining down on their cities.  Sadly, most Americans have no idea what a direct conflict with Russia would mean.

When I first heard what Joe Biden had done, I reacted very emotionally.

I am still feeling very emotional at this moment.

Everyone needs to clearly understand what just happened, because this is a major turning point…

    President Biden has given the OK to lift restrictions that will allow Ukraine to use U.S.-provided long-range weapons to strike deep into Russian territory, a U.S. official confirmed to CBS News on Sunday. The move is a significant change to U.S. policy in the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict.

    The easing of restrictions would allow Kyiv to use the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, to hit targets inside Russia. The move also comes as some 10,000 North Korean troops were sent to Kursk near Ukraine's northern border to help Russian forces retake territory.
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legendary
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November 17, 2024, 04:52:55 PM
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As usual, Ukraine needs to make sure there are plenty of expensive and irreplaceable assets destroyed in Ruzzia daily, so that eventually the scale starts weighting more towards a peace in reasonable terms for Ukraine. One billion here in oil, half billion there in ammo, 100 million destroying planes,... etc. There is a lot to choose from and drones are not expensive.



And how exactly do you expect that Russian general, that's tasked with nuclear deterrence/retaliation watching the radar screen, to know if US ballistic missile with possible nuclear payload crossing the Russian boarder from Ukraine, with general trajectory towards Moscow will actually come down from space at some oil facilities before it reaches Moscow? I guess you expect him to know all possible trajectories that are crossing paths with St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg, all RU nuclear cites, RU nuclear power plants, nuke early warning radars etc etc etc... Does anyone care to ask the rest of the world if they're ok with that? Stop playing dumb

Look at the Median Age, Fertility etc if the goal is to get to 100 couples they're doing a good job.

Trump has lied and broken tons of promise before, so I wouldn't read much into his "promises". With that said, if he was serious about it he could just say that there will be no new aid for Ukraine, period, and that Ukraine has until January 21 to make the best deal it can. Then have backdoor talks with Russia decide on the compromise and pass to Ukraine what they should agree to. If Zelenskiy decided to ignore that, his inner circle and generals would quickly make Z understand that he's in no position to go against the will of US, and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

Anyone who has ever looked at the globe realizes that Russia is not in it for the territory. Russia cannot allow Ukraine to fall under US's sphere of influence. So securing Russia's influence, culture, granting Russian language official status in UA constitution... , and no NATO would take priority over square kilometers of land. i.e. agree for UA to hold the land for X years and then referendum, in return of putting Yanukovych (or someone like that) back in Kyiv.

Independent Ukraine is impossible, even Switzerland is not independent anymore. It must fall under some sphere of influence, and as we all see, Russia cannot allow Nuland's cookies in anymore.

Everyone realizes that Russia cannot hold on forever, just as everyone realizes that Russia doesn't have to as Ukraine would collapse socially, politically, and militarily way before Russia does. So continuing this is just an exercise in futility

I expect that Ruzzia notices that they cannot distinguish one from another and decide to leave Ukraine so that they do not have any missiles flying towards Moscow. BTW I do not think ATACAMS can carry nuclear warheads.

Russia is absolutely in for the territory. Firstly to have warm water ports (Crimea) and also, not for the territory as for the square meters, but for the territory in terms of keeping distance with NATO and with possible nuclear missiles launch sites. Please, do not make people laugh pretending Putin is on this for the good of the Ruzzian language or the like.


Right, well your wishful thinking is just not something that the rest of the world is willing to bet their lives on. (Don't think ATACMS can carry nuclear payload either, but it doesn't mean it cannot be modified to do so, plus how would you differentiate it from the profile of a ballistic missile that can at launch).

Did Russia not have the warm water ports in Crimea before this? Once again, this is about spheres of influence, not sure what is so hard for you to understand about this. That means just as with Belarus, the lines on the map don't matter as much as which sphere the whole country falls under. And that includes culture, language, heritage etc... Exactly the reason why Ukrainian government does everything it can to [...]

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The detection of ballistic missiles, the place of its launch and where are they heading has quite a bit of science to it, but that's for another day.

Again, if you have an enemy in front that has ballistic missiles that - that is your assumption, which I think is wrong - can have nuclear warheads and you do not know if what they launch is or not a nuclear warhead, the safest and best option is to leave that enemy alone them alone. Problem solved.

Crimea was Ukrainian "before this", meaning by "this" the illegal annexation by Ruzzia of territories of another country, namely Ukraine (in this case, one of many). Ukraine could decide on who could use the ports, which were rented to Ruzzia before 2014. Rented, not given.

Spheres of influence are effectively easy to understand, what seems difficult for you to accept is that they are not immobile and they do not last forever particularly if a preeminent nation looses the cold war but pretends that did not happen. The USSR is gone in all senses, Putin trying to rebuild (in territory) will only cause further destruction.

Musk is on the side of Musk and will say whatever is good for... guess who.

Well looks like after RU showed it intentions on UA's power grid before the winter, Biden gave his approval for 300km ATACMS. Let's see what changes it'll bring, and what will Zelenskiy ask for next.

Point stands, Russia had a warm water port in Crimea before this started. You gave me an idea, during the negotiations, instead of transferring RU claimed land not under RU control, they can just sign a lease, like US did with Cuba, everyone should be happy with that, right?

Sure spheres of influence change all the time, but on the periphery, no one should act surprised at the results of bringing cookies right to the boarder.
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