Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 280. (Read 73622 times)

Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit.
I'm home. And you're in no position to tell me what to do.

re: Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become Russian
It is Russia that is giving Russian passports to anyone who speaks Russian, willy-nilly.

re: Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendum
After Russia annexed its territory

re: Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson region
It was Russia who did that since they control the area. They are forcing people to use Rubles and Russian cell operators.
They are trying to annex Kherson to Russia, forcing people to get Russian passports. Why would Ukraine want Kherson residents to leave Ukraine? What are you saying?

re: many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia
You favor your kidnappers when you want to live.

re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.

re: If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them?
Because the Russian FSB and military were shooting at the Ukrainian army.

Remove all Russian military from Ukraine and shooting will stop. Why did you come in the first place?

Why the fuck did you come to Crimea THEN Donbas in 2014? It is time for you to go home.

Logic dictates that if Russia just wanted some easy resource there would be a ton of other places which would make a lot more sense.  IIRC, they were in Khazakstan less than a year ago to re-seat some WEF favorite after he had the great idea to not allow un-vaxxed into banks to get their money and was headed for safety out of the place in a private jet the next day.  That coincided with a world-wide loss of appetite for heavily coerced injections among the leaderships funny enough.  Likely temporary until some more ducks are in a row though.

(Parenthetically, it's crap like that which makes me pretty suspicious about 'Young Global Leader' Putin when Klaus Schwab brags up that Putin is one of his brood.)

Ukraine had, on paper at least, a formidable military and good defensive infrastructure by world standards.  Not exactly 'low hanging fruit'.  Russia would have had a much better time of it just taking care of unfinished business in Georgia and that sort of thing if he was bent on theft and conquest.  Maybe he's just getting to it.  Wouldn't surprise me.

I note that Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become Russian. Ukraine stopped paying pensions to residents of Donbass, Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendum, Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson region, etc. Imagine that your mobile phone has stopped working and now you need a Russian SIM card, which can only be obtained with a Russian passport, which is issued according to a simplified scheme right next to a mobile phone shop. Of course, many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia and I cannot blame them for their lack of patriotism. This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not climb into any gates. If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them?

It was wrong for the US to invade Iraq, there was no justification. Kuwait war was justified IMHO because they were defending it against the Iraq invasion.

Afghanistan was another mistake. Going after Bin Laden is one thing, but building democracy in this region? Not sure I followed that logic.

As for Syria, well, there was ISIS which was a threat to the whole world, so I think both the US and Russia were justified in crushing them.

As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points.

This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014.

Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014.

Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English
but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians.  The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be?

Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them.
Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.

By itself, this figure is within the limits of natural fluctuations from year to year. But it looks like 2022 has decided to compete for the title of the year of the perfect storm, because in France there is a two-month drought, in India there is a drought and abnormal heat, and Russia expects a record harvest, but prudently limited the export of wheat to unfriendly countries. As a result, the Ukrainian three percent has increased to double digits and this is already causing serious concern on a global scale. Especially when you consider that wheat is not only spaghetti and bread, but also the basis for animal feed.

Well, the human factor has not been canceled, let me remind you that the oil crisis in the 70s of the last century was caused by a real decrease in oil supplies from the Middle East by only 7%, and the rest was done by expectations and fears.

The main thing is not to lose heart. Poland's deputy climate minister is advising Poles to gather firewood in the forest to keep their homes warm in the winter amid rising fuel prices.

BTW, I'm a bit confused by wheat shortage...Ukraine is producing
24 out of 750 million tonnes of world production...that is around 3%...
how can such tiny number have such big influence on price

Western help has ruined many countries like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. These countries will take decades return to where they were before western forces came in to help them. I don't see an early end of Ukraine war, all major world powers have created enough mess in this beautiful country which used to hub of food supply for the whole world. I am afraid we may face serious food crisis if this war continues.

Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that
they ever see any of those money
I suggest you to read this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081

I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations.

It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty.

Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917.

I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE. This is public information, there is nothing new in what I am saying and you are simply looking at one side with absolute disregard for any element of balance or equanimity in the information provided.

Minsk II it was a manoeuvre by Adolf Putin to pat the back of Macron and let him think he was on the path to the Nobel Peace Price. No wonder Adolf Putin considered that Europe would not do anything.

RE credibility and taking people for fools, you need now to answer a few questions:

1) Did Adolf Putin's RF respect THEIR side of the agreement?
2) The RF is justified on an attempt to a full invasion of Ukraine because the treaty was, in your view, not respected by Ukraine? Is that your idea of proportionality?
3) If so, would not now an full scale invasion of the RF be justified by Adolf Putin's actions?

You should not try to play this cheap and accuse when anyone can learn about the fact even with a minimum search. No wonder you are defending this war of aggression and the mass killings.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas#cite_note-53



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-now


https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/59059

Journalist Yury Butusov, editor-in-chief of Censor.net, said that the authorities' official information about the situation in Severodonetsk was not true. Butusov wrote about this on his Facebook page.

Ukraine gets the ball back...

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-5

It will backfire...big part of west economic "success" was based on pouring money into dictatorships, who
would in turn return 90+% of money back to country of capital origin, while those country working class
had to repay that "debt"...who in his right mind will keep money/assets in west countries, if it can
be seized any moment

It's a nice quote, but what's the logic here? Back in 2014 Ukraine was loosing land even without official Russian involvement. Germany and France clearly didn't want to get involved (as today), Ukraine didn't have 8yrs of training and weapons from US, are you saying Ukraine should've fully surrender/got captured back in 2014? Pretty sure that was their plan and Germany/France managed to get Russia to compromise on some land, and now Germany/France are the bad guys for doing that?

And even for today i still can't trace such logic. Are you betting on Russia not fully mobilizing and just surrendering even before mobilization? Or is the bet on Ukraine somehow winning when Russia mobilizes? Or are you pushing for NATO involvement after Russian mobilization aka WW3?

And yes US/EU stole exponentially more of Russian property without any court rulings, think they even sanctioned Ukrainian born billionaire, so much for the idea of genocide

Just stop, you're only making it worse for yourself. Whatboutism about politicians lying in no way covers you lying here to us!




Politicians lie, I'm just shocked   If you show me a politician that doesn't lie, then you'll be the one lying, now how's that relevant to members posting obvious lies on here?

^^^ You are so funny, paxmao. Don't you realize that Putin is offering homesteads in Russia to citizens from everywhere in the world? - https://malaysiandigest.com/putin-offers-millions-of-americans-free-home-in-russia/.

Besides, here's Biden, Pelosi, and the Dems, betting against America by giving away all kinds of military to the Ukraine, and destroying the US in the process. So, who is going to get all that war material when Russia puts down the Ukrainian rebellion? Russia, of course.

You are so silly.

Nobody should. It is giving away territory and concessions just to appease Adolf Putin. Big mistake.


Seize assets (AKA plunder and steal), it seems to me that Ukraine will be rebuilt with the sales of some yatchs, plenty of London ("Londongrad" / "Moscow upon thames") houses and flats in prime districts, gold reserves in custody. There is no way Adolf Putin can try to be "symmetrical" in the sanctions because it is simply beyond his power to do so. In the end, Russia still holds some Soviet era military gadgets, but economically is just another (poorly led) country sending their young to die for no purpose.

"Never bet against America" - Warren Buffet

I haven't looked into this situation in detail, but this may be Russia's symmetrical response to the recent seizure of its assets in Ukraine worth more than a billion dollars. Stop whining, it works both ways. I don't know how much of an idiot you have to be to take money from the Russians and think you can get away with it.

"Russian has always come for their money". (c) Otto von Bismarck