Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 279. (Read 77384 times)

The Ukraine just has to win. Why?

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After all, wouldn't it be terrible if the world found out about this, and if any of the research was lost?

I could not care less about what the RF soldiers eat - feeding those that will soon die for Adolf Putin is a waste of resources. From their perspective, I would not blame them: the dogs do not have "use by August 1972" written on them.

Interesting info/take on the situation, so thanks.

Honestly, most of the people who would take the actions you are mentioning are probably not a real good fit for a modern professional military.  Contracting with the private sector to get them some basic weapons training in case they need to do home guard duty, conscription, or whatever would be pretty useful since they would gain some skills (and maybe some rationality) then be able to be more easily let go if/when no longer needed.  Even cheap mercs are not probably an economically desirable way to roll.  Of course those who perform well could be 'accelerated' and perform combat duties if they wish, and the whole thing would act as a sieve for getting people who are actually right for whatever military the Russians wish to build.

As for Arestovich, I've had my suspicions about the creature for a while.  In fact the whole 'leadership' of post 2014 Ukraine (whoever that might be.)  All they seem to be proficient at is embarrassing Ukraine in the most humiliating of ways, making sure that it will be a generation before anyone in the world takes any 'Ukrainian' seriously, and getting Ukrainians souls killed in the best numbers possible.  The millions of 'war refugees' vacated the place at the first whiff of powder even though the country remains basically un-touched.  Looks to me as though the 'refugees' simply used the so-called 'war' as an excuse to get the hell out of what was already a Nazified shit-hole, and the Western Zionised 'leaders' used it as an excuse to open their doors to yet another shade of 'multitude'.

I cannot shake the smell of rat coming off this whole fuckin' thing, nor the gut sense that 'the Russians' (at the deeper leadership/influence levels) are in on things a little deeper than is commonly perceived.  IOW, I don't trust the Russians, but I do generally respect, and continue to respect, how they've been conducting themselves at the more surface levels.  It's shrewd, and I suspect it will pay off big-time as the dust settles in whatever end up being the 'reset'.

Well, at least the information about 5000 dogs eaten by Russians soldiers with reference to a Ukrainian source, which I published on the previous page of the topic, inspires confidence in you? Or did I manage to lie there too?

I do not "doubt" your numbers , I am clearly stating that all the "data" you are providing in your posts are, in essence, false and directly brought from the RF Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales. None of the figures, military capabilities, military "advances", "precision strikes" and many other "facts" have any resemblance to reality whatsoever. You usually do not  mention any sources and when you do, they are mostly related to RF controlled media which is worthless as a source of truth. In one word, bullshit.

As of now, many young RF citizens are absolutely scared of this year's military draft. They hide, bribe or try to find any reason to avoid being drafted this year for the army, despite you Adolf Putin claiming that he will not send them to the front. The young have VPNs and have no trust whatsoever in anything that Adolf Putin and his psychotic cronies say thanks to trolls like you.

Which of the two numbers do you doubt, 500 or 10,000? In Azovstal alone, about 2,500 people surrendered in three days. In the Donbass, soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being taken prisoner regularly and in whole units. But you are right, there are doubts about 500 Russians in Ukrainian captivity - someone has already been killed, and periodically there are exchanges of prisoners in a one-to-one format, so Ukraine may have fewer Russian prisoners.

What interesting I've found, look here



What about this article? It's guide to russian "volunteers" (mercenaries) how to do in Ukraine. Interesting points is about relations with civilians. Translation (in short, from the second paragraph):

"Relationships with civilians

You can never trust to what say civilians. They could lie to you because they hate you and scary of you.

Do not talk about your plans near civilians. All civilians understand russian.

Do not allow civilians to be near your regiment

Do not allow passage of civilian transport through your regiment. Often, enemy uses civilian closes and cars to cover himself. If you can't shot directly to the car, shoot at wheels."

Interesting guide, really? So, what does it tells to us? That civilian are enemies to russian and ldpr soldiers and you can shot their cars and transport if you think that they are danger to you.

Good "liberators"

You are just throwing numbers, none of that is true. Lame.

Johnny, this sword is double-edged because Ukraine didn't declare war on Russia either. And if Ukraine has 500 Russian soldiers in captivity, then Russia has 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers in captivity. Think about it at your leisure (because your chances of being captured by the Russians are also not illusory).

Why so? You're NATO agent or what? Why you against the same treatment for NATO as for others?


As i said above, any russian soldier can be considered as merc, since russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine.

And fresh news from Ukrainian propaganda.
It is strange that the dogs were not raped before they were eaten. Tremble Europe, the Russians are coming.

But the war won't last. Already there is growing sentiment in America against the money being spent in Ukraine while American people are feeling the brunt of poverty in all their living conditions... inflation, gas and diesel prices, empty stores, etc.


Ukraine Fears It Might Lose Western Support Over "War Fatigue"

Meanwhile, Lyusya Arestovich seems to be already contemplating her new career as Putin's undercover agent.
I'll answer anyway. Many people in Russia were outraged to the core by videos of torture and murder of Russian prisoners of war. Many have significantly changed their minds about the operation in Ukraine and went to the military registration and enlistment office to sign up as volunteers. However, it was not easy to take part in the operation if you have no real combat experience behind you - you are put on the reserve, but then nothing happens. In essence, these people have only two ways - to take a training course in Gudermes and get into the Chechen regiment of Kadyrov, or to enlist in Wagner. Chechnya regularly delivers replenishment to Ukraine at a rate of about 200 people a week, but judging by the videos and photos, there are mostly people from the Caucasus. For people with a Slavic appearance with no combat experience who want to take part in the operation in Ukraine, Wagner turns out to be the only option. There is another option to go as a volunteer to Mariupol, but it does not involve participation in hostilities, but only restoration work, etc. In general, I share your point of view about Wagner, but this does not negate what I said above - this is almost the only option to get to the front in the absence of mobilization in Russia.

In other words, those Wagnerites who are now storming the Donbass are more likely not hardened soldiers of fortune, but the most ardent volunteers.

I was hoping for an exceptionally shitty "source" but you still managed to surprise me, well done:


Russia has a veto in the Security Council. The General Assembly did "admonish" Putin with an overwhelming majority.

I'd save Wagner services for Finland and Sweden if it comes to that.  I don't think there would be the same sorts of ethical arguments used in this element of the conflict in that neck of the woods.

Honestly, deferring the use of entities such as Wagner would be a pretty meaningful show of strength at this point for the Russians if they can avoid it.  If they want to shovel money at favored business owners (again, as the Americans do for their PMCs) they could probably accomplish it in other operations around the world.  Especially the Middle East, but with the sanctions and all of the issues that will provoke there should be all kinds of missions for them all around the world.


If the civilian court is open and fair, I've got no problem with that.  Especially if the Russians won't supply justice for crimes (e.g., Sp4 Green and his honorable discharge after the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and murder of her family.)  Ukraine should expect comparable treatment of their captured criminals of course.  I have a beef with foreign militaries getting things like 'visiting forces agreement' deals where, by default, civilian courts (or domestic tribunals in some cases) are not in the loop for domestic crimes committed by the visiting/occupying soldiers.

In the case of mercenaries, I've got no problem with them getting the death penalty for nothing more than getting caught in-country if that's what a civilian court wants to do.  Local militias capturing them and applying whatever justice they are inclined to would be even more satisfying.  SF personnel from third-party nations and spies, same.  Those who cannot stand the heat should stay out of the kitchen.

I believe he has been sentenced to life in prison precisely because he violated the convention by shooting an unarmed old guy on a bike, filmed on video and confessed. I would myself doubt of the fairness of a tribunal on war times, but the proofs on this case are beyond doubt.


https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml


On regards to the soldiers captured in Mariupol, again, if there is an ideological trial, it leaves the door open for similar treatments of RF soldiers. Being a "nazi", wearing a tatoo or expressing views are not in themselves crimes, is just an ideology. Only acts committed by individuals may be crimes.

 It is curious how by Adolf Putin stating that "this is not a war", makes the acts of RF soldiers in Ukraine fall quite in the definition of terrorism - killing people in a foreign country, destroying infrastructure and all that while getting paid for doing so - terrorist mercenaries I guess... it cannot get any uglier uh?

Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine.

Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine.

As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems.

On the Geneva convention, Ukraine has declared to be abided to it on regards to PoWs.


Yes, it does say a lot, to be precise that I do not believe in nor give a camel's ass for the legitimacy and fairness of a trial in a country that does not exist, with a tribunal that is not legitimate and a law that is wet paper when Adolf Putin decides it does not serve his purposes. That is exactly what it says.

Re tortures and other allegations... well, you could try to prove it but the RF has stopped the work of the people who investigate so... your "word" and the RF censored media senseless talk to be taken again for it.

And once again, this is not about me supporting anything outside the rules of war, is about Adolf Putin killing with a fake trial PoWs, which in turn puts at risk the RF captured soldiers.


I have to admire you for trying to make sense of this dude's allegations. Careful with that prefrontal lobe.

e.g. "Did the security council admonish Putin?" - RF is a permanent member of the SC and has veto power. Either the guy does not know or thinks other do not know.


And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars.

Unfortunately you are right. I think this is the case when you can not clean the cesspool and not get dirty with shit yourself.

All in all, I don't understand why there is so much fuss about a few foreign mercenaries who have managed to get under the show whipping (which they probably deserved by their actions). Let me remind you that a couple of weeks ago in Kyiv, Russian soldier Vadim Shishimarin was sentenced to life imprisonment. Why shouldn't those who like to remember the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War remember this episode, when a prisoner of war was convicted by a civil court? Why tantrum after the usual symmetrical response? Or does someone here naively think that some other verdict awaits the Azov militants captured in Mariupol?

You funny. You can consider whatever you want, just make sure such "considerations" won't apply to NATO

‘For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law’

So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries.