Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 278. (Read 73622 times)

Yep. I heard that Sean Pinner was declared a terrorist in the UK for participating in an armed conflict in Syria. I also heard that the captured Azov militants testified against him that he was a sniper. He himself, when surrendering, seems to have declared that he was a cook and instructor. In any case, this is a show trial to show the foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine that they will be treated as civilians and tried for war crimes with the strictest severity if they are surrendered.

So they've been living in Ukraine for years, enlisted with Ukrainian military, but because they're British citizens they are sentenced to death instead being treated as prisoners of war like the rest?

The verdict was passed, but has not entered into force and can be appealed within a month. As far as I know, the verdict was passed on the basis of the confessions of the accused and the testimony of the Azov militants who surrendered. For foreign mercenaries, a Ukrainian safari can be deadly. As I understand it, the line of defense was that these mercenaries served in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and should be considered combatants, but the line of defense did not work and they were tried as civilians for a criminal offense.

Putin might have enough sway in Donetsk to convince them to commute the sentences to life.

Maybe if Zenensky and Bojo went to Putin, hat-in-hand, and asked Mr. Putin nicely he would see what he could do.  If Zenensky and Bojo don't care enough about their own nationals (and people who fought on their behalf in coke-head's case) to even try that simple thing then there will be that much more blood on their hands.

Seriously for a minute, I'm curious if there are strong indications that the trial was either fair or unfair on the part of the DPR.  A non-partisan analysis of what is know of the proceedings would be of interest if anyone (serious) runs across such a thing.

What else can you expect from this DPR terrorist organization?

They will become footnotes in history books.

Make sure you record the names of the judges and the people who took part in this organization.

The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.

The point is that the US Government is not the people. Oh, sure. Some of the people like what the US Government is doing. Others have slipped out of the grip of the evil going on in Gov. But most of the people aren't smart enough to really understand how evil has penetrated the US Government over the years... even though they feel that something is not quite right.

Are you dumb, or just pretending?
I was talking about wars and coups in  Vietnam, whole South and Middle America, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Korea, Syria, Lybia...

Gladio, Paperclip, Monroe doctrine...

I do not give much about "moral high ground" in international politics. I do think that countries have a better chance to progress and grown under a participative regime - reckoning that is a chicken or egg problem (progress first or democracy first?).

As said, the US does not "ravage" a country, it just decides to cut commercial ties just as you would not buy from your neighbour if he is fucking your woman. Another way to put it: Iran wants to sell oil to the west while developing a nuclear programme that can potentially be used to attack allies or even western countries, the RF wants to sell oil, gas, etc... while attacking a potential western ally and threatening Poland, Finland,...  Why should those countries enjoy the same deference and consideration that other than are friendly, democratic or pacific?

I do not agree with some of the sanctions such as the embargo on Cuba and others which are strictly political and have no purpose nor any effect other than killing Cubans and making the regime stronger though.

Me neither, in perfect, just world.
If we let USA ravage another country every 2-3 years, without any sanctions,
then I question your moral high ground (by "your" I mean collective West)

Did they have any more reason to trust it in 2015?

Germany did suffer a ultra-severe war reparations bill after WWI - many argue that it is a main reason for WWII. Regarding Nazi Germany, the US was quite ambivalent, and there were even Germanophiles in the UK and other countries. But just not to digress...  Nazi Germany was sent to the stone age in the end.

"Sanctions" simply mean a restriction to open trade. If a country is behaving like an enemy, it would be just stupid to keep trading with it as if nothing was happening. For example, knowing that the RF will use proceeds from the sale of oil to keep paying the mobilisation of the army that is attacking your future partner, it would not make sense to keep buying it.  If you are anchoring you multi-billion boat on an European port while attacking an Ukrainian city, you should not be surprised if it is seized.

I do not really see any issue on having sanctions.

It's funny to see as some russian members turned to be kremling troll puppets.

Veleor is going full mad, tho  


1. Many military experts thought that Russia will overrun Ukraine in 72 hours and that russian army is real threat to NATO.
What in fact: It turned to be a horde of grim orcs on lightly modernized soviet cans.

2. After few days many of such military experts told us that Russia will be run off recources in 5-10 days.
"About two weeks ago I suggested that Russian forces have approximately three weeks before their combat effectiveness becomes increasingly exhausted. I think that's generally been right, but we're not quite there yet." (link)
What in fact: Russia is still attacking and achieving some small victories.

So i would not listen too much of experts  

Besides, this is typical propaganda move:


Edward Luttwak is telling that this is unlikely that Ukraine will free Crimea. And kremling puppet Veleor trying to show it as an example for statement "Ukraine is unlikely to get victory". Trying to use verbaly similar thesis to prove his statement.
Far example: I'm telling "Oh, i can't jump up to the Moon" , Veleor: "Johhny tells us that he can't jump"


For some reasons (that is clear to me) you forgot to show us similiar OSCE report about tortures in separatist controlled territories. It has much more cases.
In your report we have a quote: "This report includes the
results of interviews with over 200 prisoners released by the Ukrainian side"
And here we have counted by OSCE cases in separatists zone: 2763 persons released from ‘‘DPR’’ and ‘‘LPR’’ captivity (by 22 July 2015)

Even if we exclude all military from my report, it will turn in 1226 civillians, 27 journalists, 36 volunteers, in sum 1289

1289 by 22 July 2015 vs 200 by april 2016 , feel the difference. 

They don't have to, USA did most of that for them 

Russians should only trust Putin, his loyal acolytes, and his state media.

Russia should close its borders, stop trading with the West, and become the Soviet Union 2.0.

Well, do Russians in this situation have any reason to trust ANY organization coming from West?
I mean, nazi Germany central bank didn't face such harsh sanctions, for example

The one published by Veleor. It is from 2015 and my point is that he is all right using this to justify the war of aggression but hides the fact that it is currently the RF that is preventing the OSCE to inspect the situation on the terrain - you know... like if they had something to hide? (wink wink)

So it is OK when they publish something about some Ukrainian ignoring human rights, but it does not matter if they are saying that the RF is simply not allowing them to work.

What report? Your link says "28 April 2022"

True. And those pathetic attempts of Putin to make his slaves to believe that "everything is going according to plan" just show what a big liar he is. Losing many thousands of soldiers and then retreat after gaining nothing that was the plan? Really?


As a Ukrainian I really believe this is what's going to happen. Putin's army will lose this war, I have no doubt about that. But how long it will take for Ukraine to recover from hundreds of rocket strikes? It could take decades, but with the help of the international community we will recover much sooner than haters think.

Oh, I forgot to answer this bit...

https://www.osce.org/chairmanship/516933



So, you are quoting the report of an organisation that is clearly saying that it is the RF and Adolf Putin that are not allowing them to work in Ukraine?

The report linked is from 2015 BTW.

Sure, you do not drink ,eat have a roof and some source of income (job, business or rents). You live of prayers to Lenin and watching performances of the Bolshoi. Wake up, when economy is fucked people die and struggle to raise their children.