The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court). 
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The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.
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Seriously for a minute, I'm curious if there are strong indications that the trial was either fair or unfair on the part of the DPR. A non-partisan analysis of what is know of the proceedings would be of interest if anyone (serious) runs across such a thing.
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Not fair or unfair trial? You mean, apart from taking place in a state that is not recognised by UN and only exists (recognised) for a handful of countries of which most are under Adolf Putin's rule. Even the tribunal has no legitimate law or country to start with. I could as well meet with a few friends and judge someone using Nepali law.
As for the International Criminal Court, that's bullshit. Russia does not recognize this organization, as well as, for example, the United States.
Most big countries, that can afford to ignore it, do so. So, no trials for Americans, Chinamen, Russians or Indians...and some more
And for smaller fish without the big-player clout, one can get the ICC off one's ass by putting some effort into getting the globalist sponsored de-pop shot into the citizenry's arms so it seems.
This is pretty much what I expected to read from you. Adolf Putin's government killing POW = justice. If Ukraine defence army ever thinks of doing the same = Terrorism / crimes. This type of bullshit fits well on the RF controlled media, but people here can tell a troll.
There is some difference between the torture and murder of Russian prisoners without trial and investigation, and between the trial of foreign mercenaries. If you don't see it or refuse to see it, that says a lot about you....
At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
The Geneva convention you say... so Ukraine has to comply with it but...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-warcrimes-convention-idUSKBN1WW2IN
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Russia's Putin revokes Geneva convention protocol on war crimes victims
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-22/explainer-how-could-ru
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The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, said this month he had opened an investigation into possible war crimes in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a member of the ICC and Moscow does not recognize the tribunal.
This is very simple: you can expect the same chivalry you offer.
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Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
As for the International Criminal Court, that's bullshit. Russia does not recognize this organization, as well as, for example, the United States.
Most big countries, that can afford to ignore it, do so. So, no trials for Americans, Chinamen, Russians or Indians...and some more
This is pretty much what I expected to read from you. Adolf Putin's government killing POW = justice. If Ukraine defence army ever thinks of doing the same = Terrorism / crimes. This type of bullshit fits well on the RF controlled media, but people here can tell a troll.
There is some difference between the torture and murder of Russian prisoners without trial and investigation, and between the trial of foreign mercenaries. If you don't see it or refuse to see it, that says a lot about you....
At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
The Geneva convention you say... so Ukraine has to comply with it but...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-warcrimes-convention-idUSKBN1WW2IN
Quote
Russia's Putin revokes Geneva convention protocol on war crimes victims
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-22/explainer-how-could-ru
Quote
The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, said this month he had opened an investigation into possible war crimes in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a member of the ICC and Moscow does not recognize the tribunal.
This is very simple: you can expect the same chivalry you offer.
As for the International Criminal Court, that's bullshit. Russia does not recognize this organization, as well as, for example, the United States.
Do not complaint after for the payback. Killing a POW by deciding that he is a "terrorist" calls for equal terms for the captured RF orcs. Not that you care about them, I know, I am just saying this for those who may be considering joining the RF army.
Exactly, this is payback - for the murders and torture of Russian prisoners of war who were captured by Ukrainians....
This is pretty much what I expected to read from you. Adolf Putin's government killing POW = justice. If Ukraine defence army ever thinks of doing the same = Terrorism / crimes. This type of bullshit fits well on the RF controlled media, but people here can tell a troll.
The facts do not care about your view anyway. Soldiers joining the RF invasion forces are now a bit more exposed to retaliation - even if not government backed or even in isolated incidents. Them, their friends and relatives have to understand that Adolf Putin has put them at risk just to have his day of propaganda on RF controlled media. The whole war is anyway about it.
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At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.
The Geneva convention you say... so Ukraine has to comply with it but...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-warcrimes-convention-idUSKBN1WW2IN
Quote
Russia's Putin revokes Geneva convention protocol on war crimes victims
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-22/explainer-how-could-ru
Quote
The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, said this month he had opened an investigation into possible war crimes in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a member of the ICC and Moscow does not recognize the tribunal.
This is very simple: you can expect the same chivalry you offer.
BTW, these POWs were members of the Ukrainian Army. You draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, they were regular membrers of Ukrainian army and they're Ukrainian citizens.Russian soldiers have no illusions, they know what awaits them in Ukrainian captivity.
What exactly? I just remind that there is no death sentence in Ukraine, unlike in so called DPR. So, worst what can happen is life imprisonmet or more likely exchsnge with Ukrainian POW's. Ukraine, is following Geneva convention, unlike so called DPR or Russia.
BTW, these POWs were members of the Ukrainian Army. You draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, they were regular membrers of Ukrainian army and they're Ukrainian citizens.Russian soldiers have no illusions, they know what awaits them in Ukrainian captivity.
What exactly? I just remind that there is no death sentence in Ukraine, unlike in so called DPR. So, worst what can happen is life imprisonmet or more likely exchsnge with Ukrainian POW's. Ukraine, is following Geneva convention, unlike so called DPR or Russia. Do not complaint after for the payback. Killing a POW by deciding that he is a "terrorist" calls for equal terms for the captured RF orcs. Not that you care about them, I know, I am just saying this for those who may be considering joining the RF army.
Exactly, this is payback - for the murders and torture of Russian prisoners of war who were captured by Ukrainians.Just so that I am clear: Anyone joining the RF army must know that their government is executing POWs and that is likely to end badly for any RF soldier captured.
Russian soldiers have no illusions, they know what awaits them in Ukrainian captivity. Pretty hypocritical considering the Nazi Wagner group, which isn't part of the official Russian military, has been deployed to fight in Ukraine.
The mercenaries of the Wagner Group also have no illusions. They know what awaits them in Ukrainian captivity.BTW, these POWs were members of the Ukrainian Army. You draw your own conclusions.
Don't worry so much. They have been covered enough in the media space to count on a pardon from the President of the Donetsk People's Republic or on an exchange for a Russian soldier who was sentenced in Kyiv to life imprisonment for the murder of a civilian. I also want to note that the mercenaries were tried in the DPR, not in Russia. Do not complaint after for the payback. Killing a POW by deciding that he is a "terrorist" calls for equal terms for the captured RF orcs. Not that you care about them, I know, I am just saying this for those who may be considering joining the RF army.
Just so that I am clear: Anyone joining the RF army must know that their government is executing POWs and that is likely to end badly for any RF soldier captured.
So now you think it is execution for POWs when Ukraine commanders are ordered to shoot any of their own soldiers that surrender, or even look like it.
So they've been living in Ukraine for years, enlisted with Ukrainian military, but because they're British citizens they are sentenced to death instead being treated as prisoners of war like the rest?
Yep. I heard that Sean Pinner was declared a terrorist in the UK for participating in an armed conflict in Syria. I also heard that the captured Azov militants testified against him that he was a sniper. He himself, when surrendering, seems to have declared that he was a cook and instructor. In any case, this is a show trial to show the foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine that they will be treated as civilians and tried for war crimes with the strictest severity if they are surrendered.Pretty hypocritical considering the Nazi Wagner group, which isn't part of the official Russian military, has been deployed to fight in Ukraine.
I do not really see any issue on having sanctions.
Me neither, in perfect, just world.
If we let USA ravage another country every 2-3 years, without any sanctions,
then I question your moral high ground (by "your" I mean collective West)
I do not give much about "moral high ground" in international politics. I do think that countries have a better chance to progress and grown under a participative regime - reckoning that is a chicken or egg problem (progress first or democracy first?).
As said, the US does not "ravage" a country, it just decides to cut commercial ties just as you would not buy from your neighbour if he is fucking your woman. Another way to put it: Iran wants to sell oil to the west while developing a nuclear programme that can potentially be used to attack allies or even western countries, the RF wants to sell oil, gas, etc... while attacking a potential western ally and threatening Poland, Finland,... Why should those countries enjoy the same deference and consideration that other than are friendly, democratic or pacific?
I do not agree with some of the sanctions such as the embargo on Cuba and others which are strictly political and have no purpose nor any effect other than killing Cubans and making the regime stronger though.
Are you dumb, or just pretending?
I was talking about wars and coups in Vietnam, whole South and Middle America, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Korea, Syria, Lybia...
Gladio, Paperclip, Monroe doctrine...
If you want to bring in side topics you will need to be more specific instead of considering that others need to read you mind (I have no intention of going into your mind, it must be full of old USSR magazines and pamphlets from the Stalin era).
As said, I do not consider the US governments had any moral high-ground nor has any interest in promoting the welfare of people (sometimes not even in the US itself). They were defending their social, economic and political system in the face of the USSR many times using very questionable means.
On the topic of this thread, I do think there are moral considerations on not letting Ukraine be ruled by a despot, but mostly, as said before a few times, there is a practical benefit to the people of Ukraine in choosing the right path and partners for their future.
So they've been living in Ukraine for years, enlisted with Ukrainian military, but because they're British citizens they are sentenced to death instead being treated as prisoners of war like the rest?
Yep. I heard that Sean Pinner was declared a terrorist in the UK for participating in an armed conflict in Syria. I also heard that the captured Azov militants testified against him that he was a sniper. He himself, when surrendering, seems to have declared that he was a cook and instructor. In any case, this is a show trial to show the foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine that they will be treated as civilians and tried for war crimes with the strictest severity if they are surrendered.Do not complaint after for the payback. Killing a POW by deciding that he is a "terrorist" calls for equal terms for the captured RF orcs. Not that you care about them, I know, I am just saying this for those who may be considering joining the RF army.
Just so that I am clear: Anyone joining the RF army must know that their government is executing POWs and that is likely to end badly for any RF soldier captured.
So they've been living in Ukraine for years, enlisted with Ukrainian military, but because they're British citizens they are sentenced to death instead being treated as prisoners of war like the rest?
Yep. I heard that Sean Pinner was declared a terrorist in the UK for participating in an armed conflict in Syria. I also heard that the captured Azov militants testified against him that he was a sniper. He himself, when surrendering, seems to have declared that he was a cook and instructor. In any case, this is a show trial to show the foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine that they will be treated as civilians and tried for war crimes with the strictest severity if they are surrendered.
So they've been living in Ukraine for years, enlisted with Ukrainian military, but because they're British citizens they are sentenced to death instead being treated as prisoners of war like the rest?
The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.
Putin might have enough sway in Donetsk to convince them to commute the sentences to life.
Maybe if Zenensky and Bojo went to Putin, hat-in-hand, and asked Mr. Putin nicely he would see what he could do. If Zenensky and Bojo don't care enough about their own nationals (and people who fought on their behalf in coke-head's case) to even try that simple thing then there will be that much more blood on their hands.
Seriously for a minute, I'm curious if there are strong indications that the trial was either fair or unfair on the part of the DPR. A non-partisan analysis of what is know of the proceedings would be of interest if anyone (serious) runs across such a thing.
The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.
Putin might have enough sway in Donetsk to convince them to commute the sentences to life.
Maybe if Zenensky and Bojo went to Putin, hat-in-hand, and asked Mr. Putin nicely he would see what he could do. If Zenensky and Bojo don't care enough about their own nationals (and people who fought on their behalf in coke-head's case) to even try that simple thing then there will be that much more blood on their hands.
Seriously for a minute, I'm curious if there are strong indications that the trial was either fair or unfair on the part of the DPR. A non-partisan analysis of what is know of the proceedings would be of interest if anyone (serious) runs across such a thing.
The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.
I do not give much about "moral high ground" in international politics. I do think that countries have a better chance to progress and grown under a participative regime - reckoning that is a chicken or egg problem (progress first or democracy first?).
As said, the US does not "ravage" a country, it just decides to cut commercial ties just as you would not buy from your neighbour if he is fucking your woman. Another way to put it: Iran wants to sell oil to the west while developing a nuclear programme that can potentially be used to attack allies or even western countries, the RF wants to sell oil, gas, etc... while attacking a potential western ally and threatening Poland, Finland,... Why should those countries enjoy the same deference and consideration that other than are friendly, democratic or pacific?
I do not agree with some of the sanctions such as the embargo on Cuba and others which are strictly political and have no purpose nor any effect other than killing Cubans and making the regime stronger though.
Are you dumb, or just pretending?
I was talking about wars and coups in Vietnam, whole South and Middle America, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Korea, Syria, Lybia...
Gladio, Paperclip, Monroe doctrine...
The point is that the US Government is not the people. Oh, sure. Some of the people like what the US Government is doing. Others have slipped out of the grip of the evil going on in Gov. But most of the people aren't smart enough to really understand how evil has penetrated the US Government over the years... even though they feel that something is not quite right.
I do not really see any issue on having sanctions.
Me neither, in perfect, just world.
If we let USA ravage another country every 2-3 years, without any sanctions,
then I question your moral high ground (by "your" I mean collective West)
I do not give much about "moral high ground" in international politics. I do think that countries have a better chance to progress and grown under a participative regime - reckoning that is a chicken or egg problem (progress first or democracy first?).
As said, the US does not "ravage" a country, it just decides to cut commercial ties just as you would not buy from your neighbour if he is fucking your woman. Another way to put it: Iran wants to sell oil to the west while developing a nuclear programme that can potentially be used to attack allies or even western countries, the RF wants to sell oil, gas, etc... while attacking a potential western ally and threatening Poland, Finland,... Why should those countries enjoy the same deference and consideration that other than are friendly, democratic or pacific?
I do not agree with some of the sanctions such as the embargo on Cuba and others which are strictly political and have no purpose nor any effect other than killing Cubans and making the regime stronger though.
Are you dumb, or just pretending?
I was talking about wars and coups in Vietnam, whole South and Middle America, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Korea, Syria, Lybia...
Gladio, Paperclip, Monroe doctrine...
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