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Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on March 27, 2022, 05:31:39 PM

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Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.
so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

It's true that not all Russians agree with what Putin is doing, but because the Russian government acted decisively against their citizens who
protested, so in the end a lot of people in Russia chose silence. In fact, if a survey is conducted, I am very optimistic that more people will reject
what Putin has done. I say that, because most civilians just want peace. Moreover, the impact of this war made Russia get a lot of sanctions from
many countries. In the end, the Russians themselves were harmed, such as Russian businessmen who have assets in America and NATO countries
whose assets are frozen. As for the Russian government itself, everything has been prepared, so the sanctions they received did not stop them
from war. I don't think sanctioning Russia is an effective way to stop the war, negotiating is the best way to go. Because if this war is prolonged,
civilians from both countries will suffer.

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Sanctions is indeed the right option taken by US on Russia , because I see no other way better than that to weaken their hands and stop them from fighting Ukraine , it is much more better than going into Ukraine to help them fight Russia because it would have even caused more problem and even to extent of leading to world war 3 that everyone was talking about.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on March 14, 2022, 01:38:26 PM

Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.

What affects the government affects the people. What economic sanctions do you have in mind that will only allow the government to suffer but not the people?
Because as far as we're talking about a country 's economy, we're basically talking about everyone in that specific country's people's basic living.
Ukraine on the other hand was about to equip themselves with more protection from other countries If they have successfully joined forces with NATO, but Russia was more ready before that happens. That wasn't an immediate decision from Putin, that actually takes long time before he have decided, he could've actually done this a bit early, when the first time Ukraine showed interest with NATO to accomplish full freedom from Russia.

the people are the ones who will suffer from these sanctions, unfortunately. the burden in terms of rising prices will be the problem of ordinary people. but for most of these rich people, they won't be bothered by the rising prices. sanction after sanction for now is the only option that they know to punish the move of Russia towards Ukraine. as they can't stop Putin or know what he's planning of, the only way to suffer them economically is to put sanctions on them.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on March 14, 2022, 01:38:26 PM

Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.

What affects the government affects the people. What economic sanctions do you have in mind that will only allow the government to suffer but not the people?
Because as far as we're talking about a country 's economy, we're basically talking about everyone in that specific country's people's basic living.
Ukraine on the other hand was about to equip themselves with more protection from other countries If they have successfully joined forces with NATO, but Russia was more ready before that happens. That wasn't an immediate decision from Putin, that actually takes long time before he have decided, he could've actually done this a bit early, when the first time Ukraine showed interest with NATO to accomplish full freedom from Russia.

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Quote from: fiulpro on March 14, 2022, 12:29:50 PM

The only probelm with Russia might be :
- Being pushed to the side they might try and use Nuclear weapons
- They are already thinking of using chemical agents on the people

Therefore other than that :
- Sanctions are going to cut off the economic supply to Russia and indirectly cut off all the money that's going to the war
- I understand it's causing probelms with the people living here but at the same time it's super essential to do to show that everyone is United and supporting Ukraine
- without sanctions they cannot stop the fight, funding and there would be no basis for talks as well.

I have also worried about whether Russia would decide to start making use of nuclear weapons for the war. But, I really hope that they wouldn't resort to that and will just quit from the actions that they are taking now so that there will be peace.

There are already so many innocent civilians that have suffered because of the war. so many innocent civilians have lost their lives, this is not the way to go and it will be best that Russians end the attack on Ukraine and go for Peace instead. Most times it is not advisable to fight fire with fire. Sanction definitely seems like a better move to go with than any other thing. and like you have said with the sanctions that have been imposed on them, it would cut off most of the finance that they are using to fund the war.

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Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on March 27, 2022, 05:31:39 PM

Quote from: Freeesta on March 27, 2022, 03:36:59 AM

Quote from: Obito on March 15, 2022, 07:35:30 AM

Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.

What do you expect from a authoritarian regime?

Quote from: Smitty Werben Man Jensen on March 27, 2022, 05:31:39 PM

so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

I believed that there are a lot of Russians who doesn't agree with Putin's decision to declare war. But he is in power, if the people will have the guts to overthrow him but they can't because they are all afraid of him.

Nevertheless, they know that the sanctions is coming, so there should be no debate whether it's right or wrong. Sooner or later the US will react with this kind of actions.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on March 14, 2022, 01:38:26 PM

Putin made an immediate decision and entered Ukraine. This isn't expected by the world powers. Russia never expected such sanctions from the world countries and organisations. If Russia has thought of it, already alternate measures could've been made. Ukraine on the other side could've made itself stronger getting support from other countries. To make a country self sufficient is not an easy thing to be achieved all of the sudden. It is a practice and part of tradition, but people are not ready to adopt it. Maybe someday this could get back and people starts following it. Sanction could've been the right option,if it affect the government and not the public.

Putin should know already that his invasion will result to sanctions. The whole invasion was too impromptu and there was obviously nothing Valensky could do other than seek help from neighboring countries, and since Ukraine weren't prepared all the can settle for at the moment is a peace talk

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Quote from: Freeesta on March 27, 2022, 03:36:59 AM

Quote from: Obito on March 15, 2022, 07:35:30 AM

Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

I don't think so because at that time there were some people who were against what Putin was doing and protested to stop the war but instead they were arrested by the police.
so I mean that means there are still a lot of people who don't support Putin in this regard about the war on Ukraine and with that happening they're scared and it's better to just keep quiet,
when it comes to sanctions it looks like Russia is already preparing for this and we'll see what happens next

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Quote from: DVlog on March 14, 2022, 11:40:10 AM

The context is not exactly the same, but how realistic is it if the West thinks that Russia will continue to weaken the economy by quietly imposing sanctions on this huge military power? It is possible to put pressure on Russia on various issues if we have economic relations. But when Russia is left completely helpless, will they apologize to the West as helpless? It is difficult to believe that Russia will do that with such a huge military force. When the Russians turn from angry to extremist against the West over Russia's problems, there may be a repeat of what happened in Germany. Which will devastate Europe.

Russia's strongest weapon is the "natural gas and oil" they have. west may continue to impose sanctions on Russia but will they be able to put up with high and increasingly difficult oil and gas prices? here the price of oil has almost tripled from before the Russian invasion to ukraine, this really sucks!

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Quote from: dothebeats on March 26, 2022, 12:57:01 PM

Not the right thing but the only way to harm Russia and be forced to stop this war without escalating it in a global tension. Innocent Russians are harmed by this, yes, but if this is not done, Russia will just continue what its doing like it's just another Monday for them.

The West can always retaliate with bombs and nukes, but that doesn't really help does it? The world needs Russia for its oil and Russia needs buyers for its product, so why not bleed out Russia's options on where to sell first until they realize that they can't fund this invasion any further?

I think the only country that is allowed right now to transact for Russia is china and India?
Because, recently India have made a purchased of oil from Russia at a discounted rate but India have already warned by the U.S. That should be the last transaction that they will do but what about china?

They better stop this country too because Russia can continue to sell goods and they can have funds again that they can use for war purposes. The world needs Russia for its oil but why will they continue with the sanctions?

Anyway, there are still countries which we can get oil but their supply might not be as huge as on what Russia have.

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Quote from: Obito on March 15, 2022, 07:35:30 AM

Yes it's going to be the right option but the only problem is that Russia is not Germany so they won't easily bend with this economic sanctions, this is actually much better because the sanctions have started early so as to make sure that the war can't last for a really long time. The only problem with this is the innocent people of Russia will be a collateral damage unless they revolt which the Russians are really good at.

Many Russian people support their president and they are not ashamed that they are Russian. This country has gone through great trials and wars. People did not live very richly, but lived in abundance. The sanctions are hitting every country in Europe. Their effect will be felt not only by Russians, but by every person in the world. Now is a difficult time for everyone.

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It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

In my opinion the effects of sanctions on a superpower are even worse than on the smaller nations like Venezuela or North Korea. A superpower is usually strongly connected in international trade an relys on exports for the economic growth. Once many nations join in on the sanctions the trade will collapse and send the currency downwards. The lower currency makes imports more expensive, which will make force down the economy even more. In my opinion sanctions are important and should be applied, but the severity of them is a issue. The harder the sanctions the more the ordinary people are going to suffer. This might make people more radical and not change the desired politics. I would expect if you ask people in North Korea, Iran or Venezuela how they feel about the sanctions and their attitude towards the West, they will probably blame more the foreign countries than their own leaders.

Not really, the impact of sanctions will depend on each country's response strategy. Venezuela, Iran and North Korea are small countries and they don't have many relationships with other countries, so the impact is quite heavy. But with the case of Russia, I think things will be different because they are a superpower with a large army, abundant natural resources and they have a very good relationship like with China and India.

Sanctions will have an impact on the economy, but they already have the necessary contingency plans in place, so it is difficult to say whether the Russian economy will collapse like Venezuela. In addition to self-reliance I believe that with close relations, China will not abandon Russia.

I think that the successive sanctions from the US so far have not made Putin's guts shrink. From that consideration, I think Russia already has alternative solutions to overcome various tests from western countries. just like the second world war, i think russia will remain strong as opponent of US in this world. We know that China is a country with an industrial sector that dominates the world, and of course it will not happen like Venezuela

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Quote from: Mauser on March 16, 2022, 06:39:09 PM

Quote from: DVlog on March 14, 2022, 11:40:10 AM

It is true that economic sanctions may break the backs of many countries. The country will become poor, maybe try to be self-sufficient, if it can, it will be able to survive, but it will not be able to shout at all. However, these theories may apply to Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea. But what happens when you try to play this kind of game with superpowers?

In my opinion the effects of sanctions on a superpower are even worse than on the smaller nations like Venezuela or North Korea. A superpower is usually strongly connected in international trade an relys on exports for the economic growth. Once many nations join in on the sanctions the trade will collapse and send the currency downwards. The lower currency makes imports more expensive, which will make force down the economy even more. In my opinion sanctions are important and should be applied, but the severity of them is a issue. The harder the sanctions the more the ordinary people are going to suffer. This might make people more radical and not change the desired politics. I would expect if you ask people in North Korea, Iran or Venezuela how they feel about the sanctions and their attitude towards the West, they will probably blame more the foreign countries than their own leaders.

Not really, the impact of sanctions will depend on each country's response strategy. Venezuela, Iran and North Korea are small countries and they don't have many relationships with other countries, so the impact is quite heavy. But with the case of Russia, I think things will be different because they are a superpower with a large army, abundant natural resources and they have a very good relationship like with China and India.

Sanctions will have an impact on the economy, but they already have the necessary contingency plans in place, so it is difficult to say whether the Russian economy will collapse like Venezuela. In addition to self-reliance I believe that with close relations, China will not abandon Russia.

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Not the right thing but the only way to harm Russia and be forced to stop this war without escalating it in a global tension. Innocent Russians are harmed by this, yes, but if this is not done, Russia will just continue what its doing like it's just another Monday for them.

The West can always retaliate with bombs and nukes, but that doesn't really help does it? The world needs Russia for its oil and Russia needs buyers for its product, so why not bleed out Russia's options on where to sell first until they realize that they can't fund this invasion any further?

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In fact, sanctions are not the right thing to do. Because through this both sides are harmed. Different types of sanctions are imposed in order to put pressure on each other economically and politically in the face of different types of conflicts and as a result, people all over the world suffer. Considering the current situation, it is seen that some countries are raising the prices of essential commodities including oil and gas by imposing various kinds of sanctions to achieve their interests, which is causing extreme suffering to the people of the least developed and developing countries. Therefore, it can be said that sanctions are not the right solution to any problem.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 14, 2022, 11:58:10 AM

You do realise that you are actually indirectly supporting the Nazis to some extent, don't you? Hitler and his pathetic Nazi cronies tried to take revenge and got screwed royally in the process.

Do you really think Russia and Putin are foolish enough to make similar mistakes? I don't think so. Personally, I don't completely support these sanctions since they are hurting innocent Russian citizens who don't support the war.

However, I can understand why so many countries are putting pressure on Russia in this manner since they all want the war to end asap through these sanctions.

I think the same, the sanctions are not a perfect solution but they are the best alternative the US has, since the only other option is a direct confrontation with Russia which will mean WW3, which is something no one really wants, in fact the argument from the one that started this thread is in fact an argument in favor of the sanctions, after WW2 Germany was so devastated that it took it decades to recover and an even longer amount of time for the reunification of Germany, so I doubt Putin will take the same path as the Nazi party as he should know what will happen to him if he tries.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 26, 2022, 10:34:22 AM

If eventually things are like that, but as we could be seeing, I think the biggest sanction they are causing the Russians is the enormous Xenophobia that is directed towards them, and this is something that will last for many years, I think the sanctions should be for the rulers without affecting the people of the people, but this works in the opposite way, incorrectly, the prohibitions are always for the people and never for the great elites and those who are really to blame for the conflicts, that in this case it is warlike and that it could have consequences because the whole world could be involved, if they are already talking about nuclear weapons it is a worldwide threat.

Yes one way or the other,war always affect the poor people that ordinarily won't wish for war because the consequences will be enormous from restrictions of movement and scarcity of food and medicine that is threat to live. The Ukraine elites for example are still enjoying freedom and free movement like the minister that Biden had meeting in Warsaw. I have not heard that the Ukraine cabinet member or Zelensky's family lost a member, so it is always the poor that suffers during war. Biden has promised to give more support to Ukraine and threatening to come hard on Russia if they introduce nuclear weapon.

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I think souts will only make it difficult for everyone, of course the purpose of sanctions is that Russia immediately stop the war, but whether by giving a tight sanctions, innocent people have to feel pain from the sanctions? I'm sure there are still many solutions and sanctions are bad things and make new problems.

From your perspective do you think Russian will stop the war with the sanction? See what they need is serious dialogue because from the look of things Russian is trying to protect their territory, so suspending them from one way to the other will not solve the problem between them, they have to fine new resolution to stop this war, many people from different countries is been affected through the fight.

If eventually things are like that, but as we could be seeing, I think the biggest sanction they are causing the Russians is the enormous Xenophobia that is directed towards them, and this is something that will last for many years, I think the sanctions should be for the rulers without affecting the people of the people, but this works in the opposite way, incorrectly, the prohibitions are always for the people and never for the great elites and those who are really to blame for the conflicts, that in this case it is warlike and that it could have consequences because the whole world could be involved, if they are already talking about nuclear weapons it is a worldwide threat.

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I think souts will only make it difficult for everyone, of course the purpose of sanctions is that Russia immediately stop the war, but whether by giving a tight sanctions, innocent people have to feel pain from the sanctions? I'm sure there are still many solutions and sanctions are bad things and make new problems.

From your perspective do you think Russian will stop the war with the sanction? See what they need is serious dialogue because from the look of things Russian is trying to protect their territory, so suspending them from one way to the other will not solve the problem between them, they have to fine new resolution to stop this war, many people from different countries is been affected through the fight.

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