Topic: Scam Warning: WoodCollector - page 20. (Read 29102 times)

I'm not sure if I would call it a witch hunt. Asking for someone to prove their legitimacy isn't necessarily a witch hunt. In fact it is attempting to get the facts.

Witch hunts start with shooting then asking questions later. Perhaps nubbins making this thread was too soon but it is so far asking for the right information (i.e. video etc) to disprove any suspicions of the wood pieces not being hand-carved.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

You could of course wait for me to get more money which would be an indefinite amount of time lol...

Thanks blazed, i really appreciate it and am happy that you are still pleased with your piece. You were for sure my first client here and i never would have expected it when i only came here to buy wood.

I don't have a lot of money on me right now but I'll see if I can gather some funds up... How does $150 sound? Lol that's most likely the most I could get right now without breaking my investments.

It probably wouldn't be the nicest work you've made considering the price but it's something? :p

If anyone wants to pitch in, I'll let you look at it lol

I am pretty sure I commissioned the first piece from Woodcollector, and I am 100% happy with it. We never discussed how it would be made or anything, but I do not care either way. He did send me some pictures of it being made along the way so I will try and dig them up. Always a witch hunt here on the boards  

LOL, Sounds fun, if i do it and make a video of if will you buy it? Tell me what your budget is and i will do it and make a video of it for you.

If it were laser-engraved it would sell for far less.

Hand-carved pieces are one off and essentially custom pieces as they will be one of a kind.

Laser engraving is easy as all you need is the design and the same size piece of wood...press the start button on the laser and you're done.

Carve a fancy ass interrobang with some internal designs... Prove these people wrong.

I made my way here via Reddit, where the news of this has spread.

WoodCollector, the easiest and fastest way to settle this for everybody is to take a few short minutes needed to set up a camera on a small tripod, and take a recording of a carving of any random fine detail from one of the pieces you produce, such as the small font that some have argued is impossible to get such perfection without a laser engraving. That way not only will you put the accusations to be, if they are in fact untrue, but you will also drum up your reputation and show off your skill. There are several issues with relying on clients to chime in:
-if none of them do, it doesn't necessarily mean you are in fact a fraud; it just means no clients have chimed in
-if several people chime in, we would still need to factually establish they were in fact clients
-there is an inherent psychological issue at play here; somebody that has been defrauded and suspects in doing so, may engage in denial and confirmation bias in order to supress their doubt and justify having spent hundreds of dollars

This isn't so much a discussion over the quality of the piece, but rather how it is marketed and what expectations were set as to what people are actually buying. It seems to me that what needs to be disclosed is whether or not any laser etching/engraving/whatever is involved at all.

I am just a sideliner here offering suggestions.

Misrepresentation of it being hand-carved isn't being honest. I took his statement to mean he hand carved the entire wood piece and not just some of it. There is a big difference in those two statements.

I believe it's the rare watermellon variety of the Pink Ivory wood that makes if even more rare... WoodCollecotr would you like to reiterate on where you got the price of the wood?

WoodCollector seems to be very vague and hasn't directly answered the question in the original accusation.

Are his pieces hand carved as he originally stated or are they done by laser.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

I'm not a "wood expert" but the prices in that *site is too different than the 14'000 dollars. Maybe the idea of a short video is great .

Stop with the spouts of how you're reputable and all and just post a video of you making these legendary engravings. Hell its a good marketing tool too as you'll prove more people wrong and prove those who might be wanting to buy but have slight doubts about how the art is made, into buying a piece from you.

WoodCollector should take bets on wether he does it by hand or by laser... Then bet on himself. Easy money if you get that video made

I can see your point in why you doubt his claims. I have an epilog laser myself and his pieces look identically similar in nature and in detail as I've lasered many intricate wood pieces just for fun.

Efrah, My reputation isn't really under attack, its one guy leading a charge from the usual suspects. This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started.

further, as stated since day one, i do not use my brand on my bitcoin pieces. Thats not going to change just because someone wants to start getting mouthy here.

next, a quick -5 to my rating..... its been a few hours, all it takes is one negative rating from someone on the high default trust list and even the best ratings will fall. It only gets worse before it gets better, and the faults in the rating system have been discussed many times on the forum. I still have WAY more positive trust than negative on my feedback if you go transaction for transaction, a weighted trust system only gives power to people who have been here longer the right to tarnish other people because they want something fun to do for a day. 

and finally, "my reputation being under attack being bad for business". I think you misunderstand the reason i am here. I came to the bitcoin community after getting some free bitcoin and wanting to find a way to buy some wood with it. That is my business here, and these accusations do not affect that in the slightest bit, i have already sourced out a supply chain from forum members and saved tons of money in doing it this accusation has no impact on that. I am not here to run a business of selling art, i make things when people ask for them. Occasionally i make something when i have some free time, and list it for sale. If it all ended tomorrow it makes no difference to me as i still will continue buying wood for bitcoin for months to come. The only reason i even bothered to step in here with this crazy stuff that Nubbins wants to spout off with is because his actions could affect the art that my clients already hold and that is not fair to them. I've been here 3 months and done tens of thousands worth of sales of art, the fact that it took 3 months for someone to say something only shows me that the bulk of everyone already knows Nubbins is just running his mouth. This community is riddled with scams, and people are very quick to call them out when they happen, after 3 months i think someone would have said something by now if they really felt that way. Not to mention one of my best clients here is a Machinest by trade and would have known right away if his piece was done by a machine, CNC or laser or whatever the accusation of the minute is. Being a member of the community for much longer than i, and with a reputation for looking out for peoples best intrests, he would have said something right away if he thought something was fishy in the slightest bit.

If this is the same type of wood im not seeing anything near $14k -

https://www.gilmerwood.com/items.php?species=Pink+Ivory&CID=38

p.s. are you saying that at 90% the wood alone cost $12,600