Is this thread serious.....
When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Topic: Scam Warning: WoodCollector - page 22. (Read 29077 times)
I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.
Absolutely, a short video showing him create a tiny example of his work would make me remove my negative trust rating for him and even give him a positive one.FYI: I would like to have a laser...
Me too 
And while we're dreaming: I'd like to have a robot
If he shows a video of him carving fine-serif text like this, with hand tools, start to finish, I'll eat my hat. Heck, I'll commission a piece myself.
I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.
Absolutely, a short video showing him create a tiny example of his work would make me remove my negative trust rating for him and even give him a positive one.FYI: I would like to have a laser...
Me too And while we're dreaming: I'd like to have a robot
Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.
The history of Bitcoin is one of endless scams, misrepresentations, frauds, fly-by-night businesses, and all-around shadiness. It is the duty of us all to share our suspicions when they arise.
FWIW, "a rube" is a type of person. There is nobody named "rube" here (at least, I hope not).
Please note how WC completely avoided commenting on the embarrassingly poor cut job he did on that photo I shared. Or maybe it's actually a perfect BTC and I'm just seeing it as a piece of shit because I'm jealous, and I wish I had a laser too?
I really like some of your work
I like it too. Some of the rounds in particular look amazing.
I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.
FYI: I would like to have a laser...
Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.
The history of Bitcoin is one of endless scams, misrepresentations, frauds, fly-by-night businesses, and all-around shadiness. It is the duty of us all to share our suspicions when they arise.
FWIW, "a rube" is a type of person. There is nobody named "rube" here (at least, I hope not).
Please note how WC completely avoided commenting on the embarrassingly poor cut job he did on that photo I shared. Or maybe it's actually a perfect BTC and I'm just seeing it as a piece of shit because I'm jealous, and I wish I had a laser too?
I really like some of your work
I like it too. Some of the rounds in particular look amazing.
Oh yeah,
Okay, I really want to understand this.Smoking gun, agreed.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.
Wait i thought i did these on a machine? doesnt that mean the corners would be absolutely perfect? Or could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round? Might make it harder to replicate that way you think? Wait dumb question, you hypothesize not think. A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.
You start work on a piece of wood.
You know that you'll probably be sitting there for hours carving, chiseling, whatever the surface.
But you feel like sparing the 5 minutes it would take to create an at least acceptably smooth blank?
Seriously, I'd be more than happy to be wrong here, because I really like some of your work, but so far, I'm not convinced to the least.
Interesting challenge, looking forward to the response 
Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.
Knew nothing about wood laser engraving but have to admit the end results look very similar -
Why question something that is good? 
Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.
Knew nothing about wood laser engraving but have to admit the end results look very similar -
This is clearly done by a laser. I work on a furniture company for more than 10 years. And most of this carving is done by a laser it cannot be created using his tools because of the very fine details. The tools is used mainly for retouching after it was engrave by a laser. Notice the burnt marks on the lower left side and the zigzag like pattern on the edges, the zigzag like pattern on the edges occurs when the laser engraves very fast and the belt is not properly tighten or the machine is not properly cleaned.
In fact, I started this scam accusation thread because I suspected you were scamming people. It's everyone's duty to out scams when they smell them. You're smoking your socks if you think this is because of jealousy.
Look again at the last picture I posted:
$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.
This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.
Look again at the last picture I posted:
$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.
This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.
Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.
In fact, I started this scam accusation thread because I suspected you were scamming people. It's everyone's duty to out scams when they smell them. You're smoking your socks if you think this is because of jealousy.
Look again at the last picture I posted:
$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.
This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.
Look again at the last picture I posted:
$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.
This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.
i apologies, i know nothing about wood carving, be that by hand or machine. I just thought you would finish up the insides, it looks quite scruffy and unfinished, which i thought was a shame to see. The symmetry comment is again down to my complete lack of knowledge of wood carving, it's so good i could see it being machine done, kudos to you indeed if done by hand.
No worries elasticband, i didnt take it personal. i know how quick the herd mentality starts and gets out of hand around here, by the end of the day i'll probably have a -200 trust rating and have heard every wild accusation there is to be hear.
"scruffy and unfinished" was kind of the look that i was going for. It's "growing"
could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?
You did this shit job on PURPOSE?
You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.
Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.
I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe
You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.
Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more
Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.
Nubbins, there is no personal attack, well, you attacking me without cause beyond your wild accusations. I really dont have time for you, i have met people like you before, i post pictures, "there too dark" i'll go make a video, then it will be the accusations that its photoshoped or something, i'll go do this, then you'll have that to say. I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before.
"Those who can, DO, and make good money for it, Those who cant, Start scam accusation threads so they feel important too."
When one of my clients, someone who is paying me, wants something, i will give them the proof the request. You, well, your just another detractor who is mad because you cannot do it yourself.
I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.
wow i really like to see a video of your work, but im no client of yours
, hope this scam warning got settle down soon could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?
You did this shit job on PURPOSE?
You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.
Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.
I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe
You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.
Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more
Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.
Nubbins, there is no personal attack, well, you attacking me without cause beyond your wild accusations. I really dont have time for you, i have met people like you before, i post pictures, "there too dark" i'll go make a video, then it will be the accusations that its photoshoped or something, i'll go do this, then you'll have that to say. I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before.
"Those who can, DO, and make good money for it, Those who cant, Start scam accusation threads so they feel important too."
When one of my clients, someone who is paying me, wants something, i will give them the proof the request. You, well, your just another detractor who is mad because you cannot do it yourself.
I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.
i apologies, i know nothing about wood carving, be that by hand or machine. I just thought you would finish up the insides, it looks quite scruffy and unfinished, which i thought was a shame to see. The symmetry comment is again down to my complete lack of knowledge of wood carving, it's so good i could see it being machine done, kudos to you indeed if done by hand.
could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?
You did this shit job on PURPOSE?
You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.
Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.
I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe
You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.
Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more
Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.
Aw, Did we find another Buttcoiner?
Sure, i'll Humor you for a few minutes, then i am moving on with my day until you try and come up with some other reason why i am a scammer? is it, or a fraud?
Here we go.....
^This tool is called a gouge, it is used for making fingernail cuts like this if you need an example
^ This is another Gouge, this one is used for making deeper cuts and clearing out larger amounts of wood.
^This tool is called a Skew, i am sure you can use google to find out what it does.
^This is a large gouge
^This is a large Skew
^ This is a scraper. Can you guess what it does?
^This is a "set" of tools, Set means multiple tools belonging together. I can link the dictionary definition if you would like.
^ This is a carvers rotary tool, any idea what that does?
^ This is an engraving burr, that is how the "tiny serifs" are made
^ These are wood SHAVINGS, notice they are larger than sawdust, this is what happens when you put a skew to a piece of wood and apply pressure
^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round.
Now, what else.......
Oh yeah,
Wait i thought i did these on a machine? doesnt that mean the corners would be absolutely perfect? Or could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round? Might make it harder to replicate that way you think? Wait dumb question, you hypothesize not think.
Awww, thanks, one minute your telling me i am a fraud, then your telling me that its because my work has symmetry? Seems your reaching quite a bit here, be careful you might fall off that conspiracy ledge.
Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.
This. And because I am an actual artisan, and it upsets me to see people claiming to be artisans -- and charging artisan prices -- when they're amateurs producing sub-par work.
He's a great *artist* and *designer*, sure... as long as those designs are his. That's where his skill ends.
You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions.
What else before i go get some work done and leave you to conspire to yourself.
Oh yeah the loan. I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe so i could turn a few larger objects for the bitcoin community, I have more tools than i have room as is. She said that if i wanted a new lathe i could sell enough pieces to the community to buy it or wait until after january so we could write it off on the 2015 taxes. You missed the part where it was a $10,000 lathe and 2BTC was barley $1k at the time, It was duca's way of helping out.
Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more
Sure, i'll Humor you for a few minutes, then i am moving on with my day until you try and come up with some other reason why i am a scammer? is it, or a fraud?
Here we go.....
^This tool is called a gouge, it is used for making fingernail cuts like this if you need an example
^ This is another Gouge, this one is used for making deeper cuts and clearing out larger amounts of wood.
^This tool is called a Skew, i am sure you can use google to find out what it does.
^This is a large gouge
^This is a large Skew
^ This is a scraper. Can you guess what it does?
^This is a "set" of tools, Set means multiple tools belonging together. I can link the dictionary definition if you would like.
^ This is a carvers rotary tool, any idea what that does?
^ This is an engraving burr, that is how the "tiny serifs" are made
^ These are wood SHAVINGS, notice they are larger than sawdust, this is what happens when you put a skew to a piece of wood and apply pressure
^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round.
Now, what else.......
Oh yeah,
Smoking gun, agreed.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.
Wait i thought i did these on a machine? doesnt that mean the corners would be absolutely perfect? Or could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round? Might make it harder to replicate that way you think? Wait dumb question, you hypothesize not think.
looking at this one closely for a couple of minutes, the design of the lions is just to damn symmetrical
Awww, thanks, one minute your telling me i am a fraud, then your telling me that its because my work has symmetry? Seems your reaching quite a bit here, be careful you might fall off that conspiracy ledge.
Why question something that is good?
Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.
This. And because I am an actual artisan, and it upsets me to see people claiming to be artisans -- and charging artisan prices -- when they're amateurs producing sub-par work.
He's a great *artist* and *designer*, sure... as long as those designs are his. That's where his skill ends.
You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions.
What else before i go get some work done and leave you to conspire to yourself.
Oh yeah the loan. I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe so i could turn a few larger objects for the bitcoin community, I have more tools than i have room as is. She said that if i wanted a new lathe i could sell enough pieces to the community to buy it or wait until after january so we could write it off on the 2015 taxes. You missed the part where it was a $10,000 lathe and 2BTC was barley $1k at the time, It was duca's way of helping out.
Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more
How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge using the laser not by a saw.
One last illustrative photo before we wait for WC's response (he's online now).
Ouch 
One last illustrative photo before we wait for WC's response (he's online now).
Symmetry is fine, I'd expect a carver to draw the outline with a pencil before beginning.
How about these impossibly fine details... I wonder what sort of chisels you'd use for those tiny serifs?!
How about these impossibly fine details... I wonder what sort of chisels you'd use for those tiny serifs?!
looking at this one closely for a couple of minutes, the design of the lions is just to damn symmetrical
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