Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 22. (Read 845654 times)

The bottom you speak of is the foundation. People are looking for the basics. They are finding that science isn't strong enough to produce the basic answers because of how complex things are, and because scientists don't even want look at the main "substance" in the universe. You know this, yourself, in the evidence that most science wants to ignore the basics of the aether.

The aether. The substance that is not like matter, out of which all matter and energy are made. The substance of the nothing that is between the planets and stars, between the parts of the atoms, between the photons that exist on Earth and in space, and through which photons fly as they bring information about the far distant, interstellar places to astronomers.

Yet science tries to ignore the aether, and so they ignore the biggest substance of the universe. People are getting sick and tired of the fact that science isn't helping them much, and they are looking for what will help them. They are finding that it is the God of all the universe, The Great First Cause, the "Speaker-Through-The-Aether," Who is the One Who controls and manages everything via cause and effect... and that He is here to help them.

If anybody doubt in the existence of God, just ask yourself who allowed you to think? Who is thinking right now? Where are you inside your body? Who is talking to you right now. Who told you that God is a human-like being? Perhaps our Earth is God, isn't?

you guys are having a race to the bottom, now you're all complaining BADecker is cheating.

muh lady.

It is a very common trend for badecker to respond with some senseless, borderline insane sentences when he is faced with reality, it's kind of like his brain has to defend itself but cannot do it in a logical way so it simply throws words around.

People who claim to deny God are simply in denial of their inability to deny Him.

Show us the writings, which julius caesar ones? Also, thats it? 2? A god existed and there are only supposedly 2 texts about it?

You also keep mentioning the dead see scrolls, im having a hard time figuring why you think that proves the bible is accurate.

"Jesus" is simply the English form of the Hebrew N.T. "Yeshua" which is the shortened form of the Hebrew O.T. "Yehoshua" which is the translated into "Joshua" in English. Many people of Israel in O.T. times named their children Joshua, with the hopes that they might be the Messiah, who was Jesus.

There are Julius Caesar and Pontius Pilate writings that suggest that Jesus existed. However, Bible writings go back at least as far as The Dead Sea Scrolls. The DSS are in such quantity and similarity to the present day Bible, that the Bible is accurate and Jesus absolutely existed. Not accepting the Bible is simply your personal preference.

You don't say much about Jesus, so I guess you have mostly shut up about Him, as you have said you would.

Lol. Show me one verse in the Old Testament that mentions Jesus name. One verse.  You cannot. 

then, show me any contemporary historical (from non-religious text, government records etc.) reference that he actually existed.

I would just shut the fuck up about your Jesus myth if I were you.

So as usual, you keep claiming stuff without anything to back it up. It does seem to be your strongest argument, ignoring when you get your arguments destroyed and asked for sources.

Show me a single biblical passage that supports the idea that the Earth moves around the Sun (Copernican model). Show me a single biblical passage that supports the idea that Earth is a sphere/ball/globe (a circle can be a flat plain BTW).


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Here's 67 verses that says the sun moves:

 Genesis
15:12: ” and when the sun was going down “
15:17: ” when the sun went down “
19:23: “The sun was risen upon the earth.”
28:11: ” because the sun was set. “
32:31: ” the sun rose. ”

Exodus
17:12: ” until the going down of the sun. “
22:3: ” if the sun be risen upon him. “
22:26…. ” the sun goeth down. ”

Leviticus 22:7: ” And when the sun is down. ”

Numbers 2:3:.. ” toward the rising of the sun. ”

Deuteronomy
11:30: ” the way where the sun goeth down. “
16:6:. ” at the going down of the sun. “
23:11: ” when the sun is down. “
24:13: ” when the sun goeth down. “
24:15: ” neither shall the sun go down. ”


Joshua
1:4: ” the going down of the sun. “
8:29… ” as soon as the sun was down. “
10:12.. ” Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon. “
10:13.. ” and the sun stood still. “
10:27.. ” the time of the going down of the sun. “
12:1…. ” toward the rising of the sun. ”

Judges
5:31…. ” as the sun when he goeth down. “
8:13…. ” before the sun was up. “
9:33…. ” as soon as the sun is up. “
14:18…. ” before the sun went down. “
19:14…. ” and the sun went down. ”

II Samuel
2:24…. ” the sun went down. “
3:35…. ” till the sun be down. “
23:4: ” when the sun riseth. ”

I Kings 22:36…. ” the going down of the sun. ”

I Chronicles 16:30 ” the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. ”

II Chronicles 18:34 ” time of the sun going down. ”

Job
9:7…. ” commandeth the sun and it riseth not. ”
26:7…. ” He hangeth the earth upon nothing. ”

Psalm
19:4…. ” tabernacle for the sun. “
19:5 … ” cometh out to run. “
19:6…. ” goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other. “
50:1…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
93:1…. ” the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved. “
104:19.. ” the sun knoweth his going down. “
104:22.. ” the sun ariseth. “
113:3…. ” from the rising of the sun. ”

Ecclesiastes 1:5…. ” The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down and hasteth to the place where he arose. ”

Isaiah
13:10…. ” sun shall be darkened in his going. “
38:8: ” is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz. “
38:8: ” so the sun returned. “
41:25…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
45:6: ” from the rising of the sun. “
59:19…. ” from the rising of the sun. “
60:20…. ” the sun shall no more go down. ”

Jeremiah 15:9…. ” her sun is gone down while it was yet day. ”

Daniel 6:14…. ” going down of the sun. ”

Amos 8:9…. ” cause the sun to go down at noon. ”
Jonah 4:8…. ” when the sun did arise. ”

Micah 3:6…. ” and the sun shall go down. ”

Nahum 3:17…. ” when the sun ariseth. ”

Malachi 1:11…. ” from the rising of the sun. ”

Luke 4:40…. ” when the sun was setting. ”

James 1:11…. ” for the sun is no sooner risen. “
Habakkuk 3:11…. ” the sun and moon stood still in their habitation. ”

Matthew 5:45…. ” for He maketh His sun to rise. “, 13:6: ” and when the sun was up. ”

Mark 1:32…. ” when the sun did set. “, 4:6: ” when the sun was up. “, 16:2: ” at the rising of the sun. ”

Ephesians 4:26…. ” let not the sun go down upon your wrath. ”



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1. Obtain a precision mechanical gyroscope and gimbal.

2. Obtain a platform that rotates at precisely 15 degrees per hour.

3. Place the gyroscope setup on the platform and rotate the platform at 15 deg/hr thus, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the gyroscope maintains its position in space, when its gimbal is rotated at 15 deg/hr.

4. The argument that the gyroscope is not sensitive enough to detect the Earth rotation predicted by the Copernican model is now falsified beyond a reasonable doubt.

5. Test if the Earth rotates with the gyroscope and take note of the null result.

6. The Copernican model is now falsified beyond a reasonable doubt; the Earth does not move.


"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Probably not. You are too wrapped up in political science to care much if anything about truth.

Jesus is alive, having arisen from death. He controls everything. Be glad He is patient with you when you talk against Him/God.


God made the earth globular, and it remains this way.

So what you're saying is that God is dead, but before he passed he wrote down the ten commandments so you'd have a little something to wipe your ass with? How thoughtful of him.

I will always believe in the existence of God almighty, whether it is being proved scientifically or not.

Can i know which science consensus says that when there are "multitudes" of things that happen in the same way it means everything else also happens that way? How much is multitudes? 10, 2000, 1 million?

And if thats the case, all the things we know that have a cause, were caused by humans or nature, not god, so there are 0 instances of god creating the things we know have a cause.

My "'splainin" is covered by the blood of Jesus. How about yours (your 'splainin)... which hasn't worked so far?

^^^ you gonna have some 'splainin to do.

As long as you (notbatman) keep claiming the Copernican model is a false when it's provably been shown true via all kinds of science, math, and direct observation. Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific claims when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of s***y pseudoscience.

I hope you don't mind too badly that I copied you a bit. You said it about yourself so nicely.

Please remember to check in at the funny farm desk for you meds. If you don't, you might just lose your self-humor, and we will stop coming for our good laugh.

As long as you (BADecker) keep claiming the Copernican model is a fact when it's provably false, Astargath is just going trash your strawman arguments all day long. You can't make any valid scientific arguments when your foundations are laid in a massive pile of shit.

I suspect you engage in this behaviour with the intent of allowing Astargath to push your shit down in some sort of twisted good cop bad cop false dichotomy. Your sewing a duck's bill onto an otters face and claiming it's proof the platypus is a real animal.