Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 23. (Read 845827 times)

Being or not a philosophical question has nothing to do with the fact that you are claiming to know for sure that everything has a cause and YOU said, you knew because statistically most things seem to have a cause but statistically we only know a super small amount of causes, statistically you have not proven that everything has a cause.

This might be a hint of lack of proof IF there had been something that was found that was truly spontaneous. However, science doesn't really know how to understand real spontaneity, to say nothing about having found it. So far, real spontaneity is quite the philosophical question.

What is religion you are talking about? The definition of religion shows that religion can be formal or informal - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion - and that we all have religion one way or another. Why not join with others of the same religion as yours? After all, there is strength in numbers.

The idea of entropy as a cycle is science promotion, because science is too weak to, in a scientific way, understand how the universe is decaying.

As the swing of the pendulum gradually diminishes, even so the universe is slowing down - entropy. The only reason it doesn't slow to a stop almost instantaneously, is the mercy of God towards people. God is exerting more into the perpetual motion universe He made, than He did when He started it... just to keep it running long enough to save some of the souls He placed into it.

You have shown something you believe is proof. You specifically said that Cause and effect is a fact because you can find it in so many things that statistically it becomes a fact, this was refuted using the fact that you actually don't know the cause of most things. How many different objects are here on earth? How many hundreds of thousands of rocks, plants, animals are there? Do you know the cause of each and one of them? No, you might know the cause of 0.00001% of the things that exist here on earth and that's now, what about all the thousands of years before? What about the whole solar system? Galaxy? The point is that you know perhaps something like 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of things that have a cause, that is not a significant statistic, in any case it would show the possibility of something having no cause to be still quite great.

I am not saying we should ignore the Creator, i am saying we should cherish his works subconsciously and think about it/him the best way we can. Not create some Cults and Religions around his deed. We should just live while paying respects to the Entity.

Entropy is a never ending cycle so there can be no life without it..

Except for one major point. Entropy.

The entropy we brought into existence by not perfectly doing the things that the Creator designed us for, is destroying the whole universe. Actually, the universe would have been destroyed at the instant that we brought entropy into being, if the Creator had not maintained it in addition to His creating of it.

So, ignoring the Creator is like biting the hand that feeds you so hard that it destroys the whole universe.

Drop this argument, there is probably a entity that probably created the whole universum. But we should put our focus on the life on earth not put our effort into discovering "god". We should evolve step by step and leave this old dogmas in the past..

I have shown you the scientific proof for these things, along with the scientific proof for God... at least several times. Since you won't accept it, you are proving that you don't accept science, and that your pseudoscience falls into the class of sci-fi religion.

Can you prove everything has a cause? Can you prove all things have only 1 creator? Can you prove there is such thing as an outside the universe? Nope, you cant and thats why your argument is trash.

^^^ The Bermuda Triangle is where the rockets that NASA uses to fake outer space and "universe" go after they're launched.

Your opinion has less value than a BFL pre-order.

The universe had a start, so there has to be nothing that triggered this start.

Not everyone believe in the existence of God, but if you ask anyone to give you a clear explanation of why you don't believe, then they can't.

Everything that exists in this universe cannot be proved scientifically, there are indeed certain things that still exist in this universe that we have a belief on, regardless of any Scientific Proof or Evidence.

For instance, the concept of Bermuda Triangle where a number of aircraft and ships are said to have disappeared under mysterious circumstances.
Various explanations for this, still nothing confirmed yet, the story continues..

Also, the Time Travel or a Mystery about "A Plane Disappeared and Landed 37 Years"
Some call it as Fake/Rumor whereas some say it to be real..

There are many more examples like this..

So basically there are lots of things that exist which can't be proved scientifically, it's the human nature to either believe it or not.

Cheers!! 

Indeed, just as the worlds most famous rocket scientist (von Braun) stated, it is unscientific to arbitrarily reject the idea that man and Earth are the result of an intelligent design. However you go downhill from there.

Huge scientific errors like the age of the Earth are the result of delusional, inept and intellectually dishonest scientists, and say nothing in regards to the accuracy of the Bible. The fact these same pseudo-scientists never reference any information regarding anything that would expose the crackpot theories they push as fact, and go so far as to engage in cover-ups of evidence thereof is really no surprise.

As for Ucy's comment on the supernatural, can you prove that anything is natural? Can you show that the entire concept of natural isn't a logical fallacy?

Can you prove that you can find magic without believing in it?

''There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.'' So aren't you basically saying there is no intelligent creator because the earth is a mess?

I don't have to believe in elephants to find them, scientists didn't have to believe in gravity before finding about it. Your argument is trash. Also yoga or meditation are not magic and of course they work but it's not magic lol.

I was that kind of guy that didn't belief in anything. I need to admit that I was wrong! I came across Yoga and Meditation a few years ago and it completely changed my life! I went from non-believer, to believer. That's when things started to go the way I wanted it go.

We are all master of our destiny. We all know inside of us what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do. They call that our conscience, that's the part of us that tell us we did it right or that we did it wrong. Everybody has it, we can not denied it. And still, there is no scientific proof that it exist. It's like gravity! People only belief in things they can see and still make use of things they don't see every day of their lives.

I can not say that I'm right here, but I can proudly say that I rather be wrong believing there is something greater than us, than to be right that there is nothing... If there is something greater than us, and that this life is only a preparation for the next one, wouldn't you want to be prepared for it? If there is nothing, there is nothing! But what if there is something? I rather be ready to confront it instead of being there like a dumb ass who thought that this life was only meant to pay bills and die. No. Me, I say NO. No matter what they say, I refuse to believe that all this intelligence inside of us was just made to pay the bills and die. There is not one intelligence in existence that would make such complex design (the universe) just to make it fail. Because let's be honest, the Earth is completely broken.


Anyway, my point is that if you don't belief in magic, you'll never find it...

It is unscientific to say that a god/creator does not exist for sure, however we can scientifically prove a particular god does not exist, for instance, we can prove the god from the bible is bullshit because we can easily prove the bible is bullshit. There are tons of mistakes in the bible, huge scientific errors like the age of the earth or universe but smaller ones as well. There is 0 historical data about pretty much anything the bible says, for instance, you never learn about a huge worldwide flood in any history book or talking snakes.

Absence of proof is not absence of GOD's existence. It pretty ridiculous to think we can prove the existence of a being that is unlimitedly superior to us. And it's unscientific to insist that GOD doesn't exist.

 Am always amazed when I hear  "scientists" say GOD does not exist or call themselves atheists. How did they know  this?  What formula gave them a No answer?
The deception is unbelievable and easy to see if you sit and think things through. This is why I find "science" unenjoyable thesedays.

Note:  The existence of the supernatural can easily be proven

Most people with formal religion don't recognize if they experience their God or not.

But you experience your god all the time - yourself - even though you don't acknowledge it.

How many people ''experience'' god? Do muslims experience their god? They certainly claim so, do christians experience their god? They also claim so, in fact all religious people from all different religions claim they experience their god, is that proof of god or proof against god?

It's a bid pedantic, granted, but unless you're rigorous with assumptions and definitions, you can't really reach valid conclusions. The demonstrably wrong statement that we can "measure pain" jumped out at me. At least we can't in a truly scientific way.  We can only rely on the self-reported (aka, subjective) experience of an individual conscience of their "pain".

Others believe that individual because pain is a relatively common experience, that "we" have all had a one time or another.
In a way, that hints that there are may be parallels with an individual's experience of "god". Experiencing "god" is perhaps rarer, but no less subjective and un-measurable.