Scientific proof that God exists? - page 26.

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^^^ But you often say things about what I said that are inaccurate. You say false things about what I say.

Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.

You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.

You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.

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Quote from: notbatman on June 16, 2019, 10:10:25 PM

Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.

Show me the scientific proof that we do not live in a simulation or that we were not created by super intelligent shape shifting aliens or that any of the other gods did not create us instead. You are a goof.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 17, 2019, 09:30:55 AM

^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.

I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.

You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.

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But you always argue against the dating methods becuase we dont know if physics worked the same way in the past and yet here you contradict yourself by saying that everything must have a creator because all you have seen has creators but you only knoe like 0.000000000001% of the universe, what makes you so sure that even though that 0.000000000001% has creators means the rest also does??
All the stuff I see is one and many, i see many people, many buildings, etc, your are talking nonsense.

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^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.

I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.

You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2019, 06:13:28 PM

Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 04:31:34 PM

''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.

It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you.Since all we see is one , it is one... at least until we find that it is not one.

As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things:
1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God;
2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition.

I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself.

So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God."

You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact.

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"Since all we see is one" Huh

All we see is one? I just saw 100 cars and 200 different people, what do you mean all we see is one? Your illogical thoughts are meaningless.

1. Logical fallacy, argument from ignorance.
2. Argument from ignorance

You repeated that nothing creates itself but how can you know that? Do you know everything in the universe? Have you been there every time something was created?

You repeat "outside the universe" but show no evidence of such.

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Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 04:31:34 PM

''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.

It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you. Since all we see is one, it is one... at least until we find that it is not one.

As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things:
1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God;
2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition.

I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself.

So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God."

You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2019, 03:33:15 PM

Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 12:29:10 PM

''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.

You know the answer to this. In the billions of things that we have measured in the universe, there has never been one instance that anything ever made itself. So, the universe was made.

Since the universe was made, the maker had to be outside of the universe.

We know nothing about outside-the-universe except that it exists. We don't know if it has 3 parts or countless trillions. All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.

Even Hawking in his silly Big Bang agrees with this.

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''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 12:29:10 PM

''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.

You know the answer to this. In the billions of things that we have measured in the universe, there has never been one instance that anything ever made itself. So, the universe was made.

Since the universe was made, the maker had to be outside of the universe.

We know nothing about outside-the-universe except that it exists. We don't know if it has 3 parts or countless trillions. All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.

Even Hawking in his silly Big Bang agrees with this.

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101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

I think there is no proof available for the existence of god so you cannot see it clearly the god is available in this world but we need to trust that something is there in this world up on us.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2019, 08:44:41 AM

Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 07:06:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 02:14:01 PM

^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

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'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.

''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.

Not at all. In the case of God, all we see is the corporation. The only present scientific evidence we have is One.

However, if we accept the Bible, then we see that the corporation is made up of three. The difference between God and our corporation is that God can be the corporation if only one of His persons is present, because one of the persons is all God... or two of them, or all three. How this works is not easily understandable. But then, the universe and life are barely understandable.

Accepting the Bible scientifically is a matter for a different thread. But that can be shown, as well... that the Bible is scientifically accurate, although the method for doing so is indirect.

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''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 07:06:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 02:14:01 PM

^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

Cool

'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.

''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.

Not at all. In the case of God, all we see is the corporation. The only present scientific evidence we have is One.

However, if we accept the Bible, then we see that the corporation is made up of three. The difference between God and our corporation is that God can be the corporation if only one of His persons is present, because one of the persons is all God... or two of them, or all three. How this works is not easily understandable. But then, the universe and life are barely understandable.

Accepting the Bible scientifically is a matter for a different thread. But that can be shown, as well... that the Bible is scientifically accurate, although the method for doing so is indirect.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 16, 2019, 07:06:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 02:14:01 PM

^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

Cool

'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.

''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.

No, it doesn't show of multiple creators. Remember, God is only one, every kingdom has only one King and in his kingdom most of the matters or arguments are here, but King is only one.
Actually, the problem is when anyone has decided that he will no agree on it that God is here or he is one, or some proof then we can give proof because his heart will no agree it.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 02:14:01 PM

^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

Cool

'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.

''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.

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^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 09:08:15 AM

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Quote from: MFahad on June 13, 2019, 07:40:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

The fact that you can use simplicity in such a complex way proves that there is a God. Focusing on the god that you are trying to be by eliminating the God that exists, is proof of God.

Complex machines have complex makers. This is evident in all of our machines... all of which have been taken from the much more complex machine of the universe Maker.

The fact that this evidence is overwhelming is proof the God not only exists, but is allowing you to diminish yourself to the point of pure simplicity... even though it takes extreme complexity to make this you-simplicity in our complex universe.

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''Complex machines have complex makers.'' So you admit the universe has makerS with an S, right? Why do you keep claiming it was god then?

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I don't trust the god is exist but definitely something is there in this world to control everything like nature and the oceans so that I believe in god otherwise you cannot say god is controlling everything and we need to trust it because we are live in this world it is also nature.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 15, 2019, 05:32:42 AM

Quote from: MFahad on June 15, 2019, 02:45:52 AM

Quote from: playboy654 on June 13, 2019, 11:29:12 AM

Quote from: MFahad on June 13, 2019, 07:40:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

The fact that you can use simplicity in such a complex way proves that there is a God. Focusing on the god that you are trying to be by eliminating the God that exists, is proof of God.

Complex machines have complex makers. This is evident in all of our machines... all of which have been taken from the much more complex machine of the universe Maker.

The fact that this evidence is overwhelming is proof the God not only exists, but is allowing you to diminish yourself to the point of pure simplicity... even though it takes extreme complexity to make this you-simplicity in our complex universe.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 13, 2014, 09:27:51 AM

What do you think?
Please share your opinion about this article.

101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

God is there and he is controlling everything. The greatest proof of this is death of man. If a man thinks deeply alone, then he can get his answer.

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