Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 26. (Read 845706 times)
Well, let's say you have proven that God is there, what will change in your life? will you stop being afraid of death and is that all? Why know whether he is or not, you can simply believe in his existence, this will not change your life. But if you want to learn more about God, read the older texts and books, not the editors of our time.
God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Than just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..
Exactly, if god wanted us to know about him he would know exactly how to do it and without tampering with our free will.
God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guiding us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..
^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?
The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.
The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.
Of course I dont know, how would I know if something can create itself from nothing?
Yet you keep claiming that nothing can create itself because.. what? Because you know the cause of 0.0000000000001% of things in the universe? The odds are not in your favor.
^^^ You are kinda mixed up, as usual. Everybody knows you don't have to do anything except die. I mean, who is going to waste his money on forcing you to stay alive? Why even state that you don't have to?
The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.
The best part about your post is, you finally admit that you don't know.
^^^ But you often say things about what I said that are inaccurate. You say false things about what I say.
Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.
You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.
You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.
Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.
You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.
You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.
''Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing'' I don't have to, you are the one who claims nothing can create itself from nothing, I never said that. I don't know if something can create itself from nothing and I also don't know if everything was created by something, you are the one claiming that but you have no proof of it.
^^^ But you often say things about what I said that are inaccurate. You say false things about what I say.
Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.
You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.
You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.
Any time you want to provide facts that something created itself from nothing, go ahead. In fact, we would like to see it if you have such facts.
You seem to be attempting to turn this topic into a person-to-person thing. Have you forgotten that it is a scientific proof of God topic? Study science and see that all science is based on stuff being done by other things. No science is based on things doing themselves from scratch, before they existed. But note that all science is within-the-universe science. God, being outside of the universe, doesn't operate by universe principles that we know.
You are such a joy. It's so easy to teach our readers about science through the silliness you say.
Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.
Show me the scientific proof that we do not live in a simulation or that we were not created by super intelligent shape shifting aliens or that any of the other gods did not create us instead. You are a goof.
And maybe, - the first woman has started talking, - soul of the person lives in his hands? Because all, what we do in peace, we do hands». (c) Ray Bradbury "Embroidery"
^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.
I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.
You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.
I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.
You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.
But you always argue against the dating methods becuase we dont know if physics worked the same way in the past and yet here you contradict yourself by saying that everything must have a creator because all you have seen has creators but you only knoe like 0.000000000001% of the universe, what makes you so sure that even though that 0.000000000001% has creators means the rest also does??
All the stuff I see is one and many, i see many people, many buildings, etc, your are talking nonsense.
^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe.
I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.
You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.
I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible.
You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe.
''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.
It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you.Since all we see is one , it is one... at least until we find that it is not one.
As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things:
1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God;
2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition.
I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself.
So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God."
You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact.
"Since all we see is one"
All we see is one? I just saw 100 cars and 200 different people, what do you mean all we see is one? Your illogical thoughts are meaningless.1. Logical fallacy, argument from ignorance.
2. Argument from ignorance
You repeated that nothing creates itself but how can you know that? Do you know everything in the universe? Have you been there every time something was created?
You repeat "outside the universe" but show no evidence of such.
Hey you fuckwads got this backwards, show me scientific proof we, as in man, earth, heaven are not the result of a creative will. Show me scientific proof that nothing exploded for no reason one day, and the mess it left is the natural world of order and beauty we see before us.
''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.
It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you. Since all we see is one, it is one... at least until we find that it is not one.
As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things:
1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God;
2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition.
I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself.
So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God."
You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact.
''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.
You know the answer to this. In the billions of things that we have measured in the universe, there has never been one instance that anything ever made itself. So, the universe was made.
Since the universe was made, the maker had to be outside of the universe.
We know nothing about outside-the-universe except that it exists. We don't know if it has 3 parts or countless trillions. All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.
Even Hawking in his silly Big Bang agrees with this.
''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.
''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.
You know the answer to this. In the billions of things that we have measured in the universe, there has never been one instance that anything ever made itself. So, the universe was made.
Since the universe was made, the maker had to be outside of the universe.
We know nothing about outside-the-universe except that it exists. We don't know if it has 3 parts or countless trillions. All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.
Even Hawking in his silly Big Bang agrees with this.
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Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam
Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.
In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.
The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html
I think there is no proof available for the existence of god so you cannot see it clearly the god is available in this world but we need to trust that something is there in this world up on us. Please share your opinion about this article.
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A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.
Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam
Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.
In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.
The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html
^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.
''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.
Not at all. In the case of God, all we see is the corporation. The only present scientific evidence we have is One.
However, if we accept the Bible, then we see that the corporation is made up of three. The difference between God and our corporation is that God can be the corporation if only one of His persons is present, because one of the persons is all God... or two of them, or all three. How this works is not easily understandable. But then, the universe and life are barely understandable.
Accepting the Bible scientifically is a matter for a different thread. But that can be shown, as well... that the Bible is scientifically accurate, although the method for doing so is indirect.
''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.
^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.
''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.
Not at all. In the case of God, all we see is the corporation. The only present scientific evidence we have is One.
However, if we accept the Bible, then we see that the corporation is made up of three. The difference between God and our corporation is that God can be the corporation if only one of His persons is present, because one of the persons is all God... or two of them, or all three. How this works is not easily understandable. But then, the universe and life are barely understandable.
Accepting the Bible scientifically is a matter for a different thread. But that can be shown, as well... that the Bible is scientifically accurate, although the method for doing so is indirect.
^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.
Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?
'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.
''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.
No, it doesn't show of multiple creators. Remember, God is only one, every kingdom has only one King and in his kingdom most of the matters or arguments are here, but King is only one.
Actually, the problem is when anyone has decided that he will no agree on it that God is here or he is one, or some proof then we can give proof because his heart will no agree it.
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