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legendary
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July 04, 2019, 02:33:38 PM

How many people ''experience'' god? Do muslims experience their god? They certainly claim so, do christians experience their god? They also claim so, in fact all religious people from all different religions claim they experience their god, is that proof of god or proof against god?

Most people with formal religion don't recognize if they experience their God or not.

But you experience your god all the time - yourself - even though you don't acknowledge it.

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July 04, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
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We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain
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A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  


Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?

It's a bid pedantic, granted, but unless you're rigorous with assumptions and definitions, you can't really reach valid conclusions. The demonstrably wrong statement that we can "measure pain" jumped out at me. At least we can't in a truly scientific way.  We can only rely on the self-reported (aka, subjective) experience of an individual conscience of their "pain".

Others believe that individual because pain is a relatively common experience, that "we" have all had a one time or another.
In a way, that hints that there are may be parallels with an individual's experience of "god". Experiencing "god" is perhaps rarer, but no less subjective and un-measurable.

How many people ''experience'' god? Do muslims experience their god? They certainly claim so, do christians experience their god? They also claim so, in fact all religious people from all different religions claim they experience their god, is that proof of god or proof against god?
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July 04, 2019, 08:15:01 AM
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We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain
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A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  


Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?

It's a bid pedantic, granted, but unless you're rigorous with assumptions and definitions, you can't really reach valid conclusions. The demonstrably wrong statement that we can "measure pain" jumped out at me. At least we can't in a truly scientific way.  We can only rely on the self-reported (aka, subjective) experience of an individual conscience of their "pain".

Others believe that individual because pain is a relatively common experience, that "we" have all had a one time or another.
In a way, that hints that there are may be parallels with an individual's experience of "god". Experiencing "god" is perhaps rarer, but no less subjective and un-measurable.
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July 04, 2019, 01:27:21 AM
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We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain
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A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  


Why would you focus so much on that? We can still test pain, feel it and know how or why it works. We cant do ANY of that with god, whats your point here?
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July 03, 2019, 11:07:57 AM
Belief in God, this is absurd there is no evidence and all believe
legendary
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July 03, 2019, 08:45:10 AM
@ this topic: And the moon is hollow, lol  Grin Cheesy
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July 03, 2019, 06:24:54 AM
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We can't see pain, but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we can't see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

How do you measure pain ?  Where is the National Bureau of Standard's pain calibration reference ?  
Nope... pain is real, but it is purely subjective.  This is why doctors & nurses have to ask patients, "on a scale of 1 to 10, how much pain do you feel ?   There is no 'painometer' they can use, like there are thermometers, sphygmomanometers, weightometers (mass scales), pH meters, etc.  

As humans, we 'believe' in pain; or better put, we can 'believe' in the pain of others, so we know pain exists; because we know darn well we have felt it ourselves (on one occasion or another), but yet, there is no physical, objective way to measure pain.

There are physical, objective ways to measure distance, mass and time, and ways to measure all the physical phenomena that can be described by interactions and combination of these 3 fundamentals; but pain ? ... no, it cannot be measured.

Quote from:https://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_pain
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A widely accepted scientific definition of pain is that “Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience that is associated with actual or potential tissue damage or described in such terms.” A key feature of this definition is that it goes on to say, “pain is always subjective.”  
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June 22, 2019, 12:34:23 PM
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June 22, 2019, 10:52:11 AM
There actually is no scientific proof that God does exists however scientist cannot prove where some things that are unexplainable came from. Of course there is a start to all of these like how the universe was created and so on. There is always a higher being that no scientist can figure out. And that is also why religion and scientific proof always has a debate on that too.
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June 22, 2019, 09:58:01 AM

''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.


The fact that there are countless things that have been shown to have been made by something else, combined with the fact that nothing has ever been shown to have made itself, scientifically proves that the universe was made by something outside itself. Why "scientific" and "proof?" Two major reason:
1. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;
2. Since the universal fact of no self-creation stands scientifically, something outside the universe created it. Why outside? Because if it were inside, it would be part of the universe. But it cannot be part of the universe, because the universe can't create itself, scientifically.

Since you constantly want to believe in scientifically impossible odds, you are moving away from science into religion or philosophy. But maybe for you it is simply denial madness.

Again, why is the "outside" Creator God? Because creating such a tremendous thing as the universe can only be done by someone that fits the definition of "God." So we see, from this alone, science proves the existence of God.

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''. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;'' Well, how are you calculating the odds here? Let's say earth has different 'items'. A person is an item, a truck is an item, etc. The earth right now has probably hundreds of millions of items, do you know the cause of all of them? How about for the last 10000 years, do you know the cause of every single item? Let's say you know the cause of 1 million items, 1 million items is only 1% of 100.000.000 but we are talking about several times that number and only about the earth. Let's consider our entire galaxy, how many items there? Trillions? What's 1 million compared to a trillion? around 0.00001%?

And that's only 1 galaxy, so which odds are exactly high here badecker?
legendary
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June 22, 2019, 08:29:59 AM

''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.


The fact that there are countless things that have been shown to have been made by something else, combined with the fact that nothing has ever been shown to have made itself, scientifically proves that the universe was made by something outside itself. Why "scientific" and "proof?" Two major reason:
1. When the odds get high enough in a direction, science accepts that direction as fact;
2. Since the universal fact of no self-creation stands scientifically, something outside the universe created it. Why outside? Because if it were inside, it would be part of the universe. But it cannot be part of the universe, because the universe can't create itself, scientifically.

Since you constantly want to believe in scientifically impossible odds, you are moving away from science into religion or philosophy. But maybe for you it is simply denial madness.

Again, why is the "outside" Creator God? Because creating such a tremendous thing as the universe can only be done by someone that fits the definition of "God." So we see, from this alone, science proves the existence of God.

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June 21, 2019, 03:00:33 PM

Your link, there, isn't even worth talking to. Did you forget this one? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51429482.

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Where in your link do you prove the existence of just 1 creator and not multiple? Where in the link do you prove the existence of "outside the universe" and where do you prove that everything has a cause?

The info in the link is just part of the proof. These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.

However, why do you waste the time asking? You only accept science when it promotes your ideals. So, it doesn't really matter to you what the answers to your questions might be.

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''These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.'' Baseless claim with no evidence, when has science proven that everything has a cause? There is no way to prove that, ever unless you can go back in time to make sure everything was created by something else.
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June 21, 2019, 02:44:39 PM
I I trust the god is existing in this world but no one will find understand the God using the today's technology and the scientific waste god is more than anything so I think the signs proof will not be needed for the existence of god.
legendary
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June 21, 2019, 11:11:44 AM

Your link, there, isn't even worth talking to. Did you forget this one? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51429482.

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Where in your link do you prove the existence of just 1 creator and not multiple? Where in the link do you prove the existence of "outside the universe" and where do you prove that everything has a cause?

The info in the link is just part of the proof. These things you ask are scientifically proven by science that isn't included in the link.

However, why do you waste the time asking? You only accept science when it promotes your ideals. So, it doesn't really matter to you what the answers to your questions might be.

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June 21, 2019, 10:31:54 AM
^^^ But none of that has to do with scientific proof one way or the other.

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True but this has: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51520227

Your link, there, isn't even worth talking to. Did you forget this one? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51429482.

Cool

Where in your link do you prove the existence of just 1 creator and not multiple? Where in the link do you prove the existence of "outside the universe" and where do you prove that everything has a cause?
legendary
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June 21, 2019, 06:57:27 AM
God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Firstly you should behavior yourself, you have no right to talk with any religious and use name of religious's books in this tone.
If you have knowledge about these books ( Bible and Quran), then you don't need to ask us about God.
You are blind man who doesn't see anything around yourself and blame to God. Where God said that God doesn't want us to know him?

And you should be locked up because you are mentally sick.

God did not say anything, people did.  He fucking does not exist.  'Gods' are subjective emotions that people have.

Gods only exist in peoples brains.  That is why we have so many religions, denominations, cults, and scriptures.

Ask your Allah to post here, in this fucking thread.  If he cannot, just shut the fuck up about your delusion.


If you know the name of God, that he is ALLAH, then call him and see the result, i wish i could see you when you will destroy.
ME MENTALLY SICK ?
And what's about you? you have no manners to talk about any religious in respectively, I have no words to use for you, because you are sooo BAD and your language is showing your background.  
At least i am better than you, i have a path, and YOU ?
YOU don't know what you are Actually.

I feel shame on myself, and i am asking myself that why i came in this thread, where everyone is Losers and Atheism.  

Clearly your IQ is below 80 or so. Why should we respect religions exactly? Im sure you dont respect the rest of the religions that you dont believe in.
Sorry i forget one Word add for yours, Ignorant who already have Zero IQ lever and ask for others give the proof of God.
If you have IQ lever than do you need to ask us any PROOF OF GOD?
We are not asking you, You are asking us and talk about IQ LEVER ? STRANGELY  
If you have IQ LEVEL then proof it that there is no GOD. But in a reasonable language, don't' use abuse. Otherwise i will not reply you. Because i want to quit reply in this thread, because someone are speaking out of language.

Which God, Allah?  Well, that is easy, the stories about Allah were written down from oral traditions in the 7th century.  Primarily based on earlier Abrahamic mythologies.

How do we know they are fairy tales?  Buraqs do not exist.  It is impossible to fly off to space on an animal.  There is no oxygen in space.  We know this because we went there.  An entity that created the universe and everything in it would know this.  People in the 7th century did not.  The stories were not divinely inspired.  They are a human creation.

Islam is a historical cultural artifact.  All the science in the Quran is wrong.

If you don't know anything then why you discuss about it?
Our QURAN doesn't need your Typical SCIENCE, and tell me where Science tell you that Quran is wrong?
Actually problem is in your mind, and you are using Science word.
I never see any ignorant person in my whole life just like you, who doesn't know about anything and make intelligent.  
But i wanna tell you only one and last thing, that HELL is waiting for you.    

Are you serious?  Salt water does not mix with fresh water, wine is made by the devil (not the yeast), evolution, creation story, flat Earth, where do I start?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQXjyuxpNdE

You are as ignorant as they come. We are done here.  We have nothing to discuss.  We are 1400 years apart.
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June 21, 2019, 06:12:59 AM
God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Firstly you should behavior yourself, you have no right to talk with any religious and use name of religious's books in this tone.
If you have knowledge about these books ( Bible and Quran), then you don't need to ask us about God.
You are blind man who doesn't see anything around yourself and blame to God. Where God said that God doesn't want us to know him?

And you should be locked up because you are mentally sick.

God did not say anything, people did.  He fucking does not exist.  'Gods' are subjective emotions that people have.

Gods only exist in peoples brains.  That is why we have so many religions, denominations, cults, and scriptures.

Ask your Allah to post here, in this fucking thread.  If he cannot, just shut the fuck up about your delusion.


If you know the name of God, that he is ALLAH, then call him and see the result, i wish i could see you when you will destroy.
ME MENTALLY SICK ?
And what's about you? you have no manners to talk about any religious in respectively, I have no words to use for you, because you are sooo BAD and your language is showing your background.  
At least i am better than you, i have a path, and YOU ?
YOU don't know what you are Actually.

I feel shame on myself, and i am asking myself that why i came in this thread, where everyone is Losers and Atheism.  

Clearly your IQ is below 80 or so. Why should we respect religions exactly? Im sure you dont respect the rest of the religions that you dont believe in.
Sorry i forget one Word add for yours, Ignorant who already have Zero IQ lever and ask for others give the proof of God.
If you have IQ lever than do you need to ask us any PROOF OF GOD?
We are not asking you, You are asking us and talk about IQ LEVER ? STRANGELY  
If you have IQ LEVEL then proof it that there is no GOD. But in a reasonable language, don't' use abuse. Otherwise i will not reply you. Because i want to quit reply in this thread, because someone are speaking out of language.

Which God, Allah?  Well, that is easy, the stories about Allah were written down from oral traditions in the 7th century.  Primarily based on earlier Abrahamic mythologies.

How do we know they are fairy tales?  Buraqs do not exist.  It is impossible to fly off to space on an animal.  There is no oxygen in space.  We know this because we went there.  An entity that created the universe and everything in it would know this.  People in the 7th century did not.  The stories were not divinely inspired.  They are a human creation.

Islam is a historical cultural artifact.  All the science in the Quran is wrong.

If you don't know anything then why you discuss about it?
Our QURAN doesn't need your Typical SCIENCE, and tell me where Science tell you that Quran is wrong?
Actually problem is in your mind, and you are using Science word.
I never see any ignorant person in my whole life just like you, who doesn't know about anything and make intelligent.  
But i wanna tell you only one and last thing, that HELL is waiting for you.   
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June 21, 2019, 06:04:56 AM
God does not want us to know him, so these books of mass control are just for control ( Bible, Quran ) made up by dogmatic old farts. If he wanted to be believed in he would be here and guide us. We should grow beyond the need of superstition and just know that he is there somewhere and be happy with that. Then just focus on the good of the Planet and the lives on this wonderful place while making it grow and protect it from Meteorites,Solar Flares ETC. I think that is our original purpose..

Firstly you should behavior yourself, you have no right to talk with any religious and use name of religious's books in this tone.
If you have knowledge about these books ( Bible and Quran), then you don't need to ask us about God.
You are blind man who doesn't see anything around yourself and blame to God. Where God said that God doesn't want us to know him?

And you should be locked up because you are mentally sick.

God did not say anything, people did.  He fucking does not exist.  'Gods' are subjective emotions that people have.

Gods only exist in peoples brains.  That is why we have so many religions, denominations, cults, and scriptures.

Ask your Allah to post here, in this fucking thread.  If he cannot, just shut the fuck up about your delusion.


If you know the name of God, that he is ALLAH, then call him and see the result, i wish i could see you when you will destroy.
ME MENTALLY SICK ?
And what's about you? you have no manners to talk about any religious in respectively, I have no words to use for you, because you are sooo BAD and your language is showing your background.  
At least i am better than you, i have a path, and YOU ?
YOU don't know what you are Actually.

I feel shame on myself, and i am asking myself that why i came in this thread, where everyone is Losers and Atheism.  

Clearly your IQ is below 80 or so. Why should we respect religions exactly? Im sure you dont respect the rest of the religions that you dont believe in.
Sorry i forget one Word add for yours, Ignorant who already have Zero IQ lever and ask for others give the proof of God.
If you have IQ lever than do you need to ask us any PROOF OF GOD?
We are not asking you, You are asking us and talk about IQ LEVER ? STRANGELY  
If you have IQ LEVEL then proof it that there is no GOD. But in a reasonable language, don't' use abuse. Otherwise i will not reply you. Because i want to quit reply in this thread, because someone are speaking out of language.

Can you prove the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist and created the universe? No, you can't, therefore he is the creator of the universe and your god is a hoax.

Actually you are hoax yourself to accept it that God is here, and you know i don't need to give any proof in front of you. Because i can give you thousands proofs but in every proof you will think negative and also argue with me, So it is useless to discuss with me. bye
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June 20, 2019, 09:27:37 PM
^^^ But none of that has to do with scientific proof one way or the other.

Cool

In my opinion everything is based on science.. as everything is based on a theory. We develop something to create it and make it work, in theory it will never be perfect we can just try our best on making it work the best we can

True science is only strict and controlled observations, with the data recorded as best as possible. The use of science data is called engineering. Sometimes the engineering comes about before the science.

The science that proves God is discussed throughout this topic. Nobody has the ability to engineer God out of existence using science.

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