Scientific proof that God exists? - page 27.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 15, 2019, 02:14:01 PM

^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

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'' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim.

''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators.

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^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us?

Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.

Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God?

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^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

The fact that you can use simplicity in such a complex way proves that there is a God. Focusing on the god that you are trying to be by eliminating the God that exists, is proof of God.

Complex machines have complex makers. This is evident in all of our machines... all of which have been taken from the much more complex machine of the universe Maker.

The fact that this evidence is overwhelming is proof the God not only exists, but is allowing you to diminish yourself to the point of pure simplicity... even though it takes extreme complexity to make this you-simplicity in our complex universe.

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''Complex machines have complex makers.'' So you admit the universe has makerS with an S, right? Why do you keep claiming it was god then?

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I don't trust the god is exist but definitely something is there in this world to control everything like nature and the oceans so that I believe in god otherwise you cannot say god is controlling everything and we need to trust it because we are live in this world it is also nature.

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Quote from: Astargath on June 15, 2019, 05:32:42 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

The fact that you can use simplicity in such a complex way proves that there is a God. Focusing on the god that you are trying to be by eliminating the God that exists, is proof of God.

Complex machines have complex makers. This is evident in all of our machines... all of which have been taken from the much more complex machine of the universe Maker.

The fact that this evidence is overwhelming is proof the God not only exists, but is allowing you to diminish yourself to the point of pure simplicity... even though it takes extreme complexity to make this you-simplicity in our complex universe.

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Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
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God is there and he is controlling everything. The greatest proof of this is death of man. If a man thinks deeply alone, then he can get his answer.

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Quote from: MFahad on June 15, 2019, 02:45:52 AM

Quote from: playboy654 on June 13, 2019, 11:29:12 AM

Quote from: MFahad on June 13, 2019, 07:40:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god

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Quote from: playboy654 on June 13, 2019, 11:29:12 AM

Quote from: MFahad on June 13, 2019, 07:40:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

What Proof?
Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists.
Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 11, 2019, 05:00:07 PM

^^^ Oh, dear. I don't think that I used any premises at all. Maybe we are talking different languages.

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I repeat, you said, Cause and effect, complexity and machine makers prove god, the rebuttal is that it doesn't prove god, if we agree that all of them are right, it only proves that a being or beings that are more complex than the universe created the universe, it doesn't prove your god.

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^^^ Humans are different than all other life on Earth (excluding such things as aliens and angels, if such exist here). We are the only life that is aware that it is aware of its self-awareness... and can attempt to analyze our self-awareness.

God made us in His image. Names over the thousands of years, have been mostly given to describe something that the name means. It might be an event in nature. It might be a desire that the parents wish for their child to carry out in life. But God's main name is and means "I AM."

God's name means self-awareness awareness to who knows how many levels. People are the only "animals" sentient enough to have this kind of self-awareness, even if it is only to one level. We were made in the image of God, and the basics of this image is pure self-awareness awareness.

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Quote from: MFahad on June 13, 2019, 07:40:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

Cool

I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

But we don't have any proof for that.

If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same?

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Quote from: BADecker on June 12, 2019, 05:13:07 PM

^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

Cool

I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him.
So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer.

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^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting.

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^^^ You suggest a mouthful.

Since standard math doesn't work, probably standard science doesn't work... the scientific method. At least not as we know science today.

The thing we need is a change in science and the understanding of what science really is. For example, science and math show that the Big Bang probably existed... when you look at it simply. Yet BB science, itself, says that things were so different immediately after the BB, that physics, math, and science in general way back then must have been extremely different.

The point is, BB science shows us the we have no idea if BB ever happened. The math was so different, that we can't use our math to determine what that math was like. Did physics and math change gradually? Did it change back and forth many times? When? If we know when, how do we know when?

It's a whole lot easier believing in God than in math that essentially destroys any understanding we might think we have of past math. We need a whole science understanding change.

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^^^ Oh, dear. I don't think that I used any premises at all. Maybe we are talking different languages.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 11, 2019, 04:40:37 PM

^^^ Well, I suppose you can call God by any name you want. The important thing is that you recognize Him. From that point you can move on to believing Him... so that you are saved.

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Well, not really, you used 3 premises, what's the conclusion? That a being or beings more complex than the universe created it, how do you go from that to it was for sure the god from the bible?

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^^^ Well, I suppose you can call God by any name you want. The important thing is that you recognize Him. From that point you can move on to believing Him... so that you are saved.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 11, 2019, 11:37:32 AM

^^^ It was my God AND your God Who did it.

The even more key question is why there has to be a why... since we all are mentally so retarded - when compared with God and what exists - that we couldn't understand the "why" if it were explained to us with the precision necessary to answer why.

But to answer it in simple form, note how you are claiming the capability to answer the mentally unanswerable questions, especially the one that suggests that there is no God. When you do this, you are actually setting yourself up as god, as though you have the power to answer.

What you are showing is that we are all essentially gods in some way. As for God, we previously went round and round with one outside-the-universe. So, to us there is one God because there is one outside. If we were in the realm of the outside, there might be multiple of this and that. But outside is so foreign to us that even suggesting anything about it is impossible.

God is One.

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I'm not suggesting anything, I'm using YOUR arguments. Remember? Complexity, Cause and effect and machine makers? C&A proves there was a beginning? Fine, machine makers proves everything was created by their makers? Fine. Complexity proves the creator of anything has to be more complex than the thing it creates? Fine. Now, using those 3 premises, how do we know it's a god that created the universe and not shape-shifting aliens that are more complex than the universe?

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I wish atheist could honestly tell believers like me why there are evidence of lumps of Sulphur today on the places where ancient cities of soddom and Gomorrah stood in the past..

— The Global Flood
And why there are fossil scattered all over the world today. Fossils are mostly formed in watery condition. Dinosaurs and many animals are found buried in huge pile of ancient dried out muds.
Billions of trees and plants were pulled out of the ground and transported to the oceans which is what crudeoil are formed from

True Origin of Crudeoil/Petroleum, Coal, Fossils , Dead sea creature on mountain tops around the world.etc

Fossils and dinosaurs are found buried in Sedimentary rocks and sedimentary rocks are dried out ancient mud. The only way such ancient muds could have been formed were in a watery catastrophy.

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