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legendary
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December 21, 2018, 10:06:14 AM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

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How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

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''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME
legendary
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December 21, 2018, 10:01:42 AM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

Cool

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''

That's not the point. To say it better... One of the ways that shows the strength of the Bible, and that God is showing HIS strength through it, is the miraculous way the abnormally high numbers of it have come about. That way is that people have been touched by God through the Bible wording, as they read, so that they promote the Bible for salvation of souls.

And I want to thank you for showing this. What I mean is, the Bible is touching you so strongly (whether you realize it or not) that you feel compelled to answer deceptively, attempting to break down the invincible truth of the Bible. After all, if you didn't think that the Bible was a threat to you (even if such thinking is only subconscious), you would turn and believe, rather than speak so deceptively.

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newbie
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December 21, 2018, 03:13:11 AM
Interesting thread I must say
hero member
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December 20, 2018, 07:32:01 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

Cool

''The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.'' OH SHIT, then everything the bible says must be true.

Your argument is literally: ''the bible is true because it has a lot of copies''
legendary
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Merit: 1373
December 20, 2018, 07:11:51 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)

You really are behind the times, aren't you. The Gideons have been placing Bibles in hotels and motels, for free, for decades.

I haven't presented any arguments; only points. So how would you know if I have flawed arguments or not? So, are your flawed arguments points?

Cool
hero member
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December 20, 2018, 05:19:24 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

How do you know the bible wasn't and isn't about making money? Are they not selling bibles? Are they giving them all for free? Yeah.. I thought so genius.

And let's not get too far away from your flawed argument of 1 god and not multiple :^)
jr. member
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December 20, 2018, 04:26:35 PM
Now read this article, I, as an atheist, it's interesting
legendary
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December 20, 2018, 02:04:37 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool

Why can't you see this? Because you won't let the Holy Spirit work faith in your heart and mind.

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legendary
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December 20, 2018, 02:02:41 PM

Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.


Harry Potter is all about making money for the author. The Bible is being distributed for free to the tune of millions, because the truth is in it, and people can see this.

Cool
legendary
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December 20, 2018, 02:00:42 PM

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong What does that mean?


It means that your points are extremely weak when compared with Bible points.

How in the world dumb are you?

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hero member
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December 20, 2018, 01:29:35 PM

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Cool

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong What does that mean?

and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... https://www.quora.com/How-many-copies-of-the-Quran-are-in-the-world They say the same for the quran.

the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe. I'm sorry, how does the bible record show ''true'' history exactly? How do we know it's true?

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.


Harry potter sold 500 million copies, therefore it must be true.

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legendary
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December 20, 2018, 11:54:29 AM

You are delusional that is why you are defending a book that cannot be defended.  Christianity was spread by the SWORD and FIRE.

You not only don't know much about science or history but your own religious dogma.  Someone has brainwashed you very well.

I am not sure you'll ever recover from it.  You are a close-minded simpleton and a dangerous radical.

You don't seem to even know how to read the writings of your own science. The writings are pointed at specific things. And most of them tell you right out that the writers don't really know the whys and wherefores of what they have scientifically found out.

The Bible isn't written this way. Why not? Because the writers wrote what they saw first hand. And the whole book is so powerful that it touches the hearts of people. Science doesn't have this strength.

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legendary
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December 20, 2018, 11:33:00 AM

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Cool

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong, and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe.

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

In addition, if there were no easy method of copying books like the printing press, there would be no science of today. The Bible would be stronger than ever, because it would continue to be copied because of its strength in the hearts of people who were moved by it so strongly that they copied it. But science would not even exist because of its weakness.

What is the strength of the Bible that makes people want to copy it? The strength is the Holy spirit working in the hearts of people, to show them that the Bible is true, and real, and powerful. Science is only dabbling in what is happening in the universe. The Bible is from God Who made and understands all the workings of the universe. The way this is shown is that the Bible has power in people. Science doesn't have this power because it doesn't know how to move people. Science doesn't have the knowledge of how to move people spiritually, but the Bible does, because the Bible has more basic science in it than any science writing.

Why doesn't most of standard science acknowledge things like spirit and soul? Because modern science is so weak that it can't get a handle on them to measure and manipulate them. But the energetic distribution of the Bible shows that God has built the knowledge of soul and spirit right into the structure of the Bible. The Bible is truth. It is a true record. Its strength in moving people shows this.

Sure, science might play with a few things that are under the control of people. But God controls even this, so that His desires are the outcome.

Guess what I am really doing with this post? I am showing you how the Bible shows that it has power and strength, and that it is truth. But I am doing it in such a way that you won't understand the strength of the Bible unless you really want to. You won't understand because you don't want to, but if you wanted to, then you would.

Btw, this is only the beginning of the ways that the Bible can be shown to be way stronger than any other writing, for truth and accuracy, and that it is the Word of God.

Cool

You are delusional that is why you are defending a book that cannot be defended.  Christianity was spread by the SWORD and FIRE.

You not only don't know much about science or history but your own religious dogma.  Someone has brainwashed you very well.

I am not sure you'll ever recover from it.  You are a close-minded simpleton and a dangerous radical.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
December 20, 2018, 11:06:27 AM

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Cool

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?

Thank you for those examples.

The Bible is extremely strong, and shows that God is working in the hearts of people through the Bible. How? The billions of copies. The billions of people who, with Bible knowledge, understand that God exists.... the Bible record that shows true history because it has always been the strongest book in the hearts of people who believe.

How strong is the strength of Godly people with the Bible? Way stronger than any belief in any other writing. Not just a little stronger so that one would have to say something like, "Well, some book has to be strongest." Rather, the Bible is way stronger by many times.

How is this shown? Again, in the multitude of its copies. The biggest showing of this is that there are hand written copies or parts of copies, of the New Testament, from as long as almost 2,000 years ago, in the range of 25,000 copies. No other book comes even close.

In addition, if there were no easy method of copying books like the printing press, there would be no science of today. The Bible would be stronger than ever, because it would continue to be copied because of its strength in the hearts of people who were moved by it so strongly that they copied it. But science would not even exist because of its weakness.

What is the strength of the Bible that makes people want to copy it? The strength is the Holy spirit working in the hearts of people, to show them that the Bible is true, and real, and powerful. Science is only dabbling in what is happening in the universe. The Bible is from God Who made and understands all the workings of the universe. The way this is shown is that the Bible has power in people. Science doesn't have this power because it doesn't know how to move people. Science doesn't have the knowledge of how to move people spiritually, but the Bible does, because the Bible has more basic science in it than any science writing.

Why doesn't most of standard science acknowledge things like spirit and soul? Because modern science is so weak that it can't get a handle on them to measure and manipulate them. But the energetic distribution of the Bible shows that God has built the knowledge of soul and spirit right into the structure of the Bible. The Bible is truth. It is a true record. Its strength in moving people shows this.

Sure, science might play with a few things that are under the control of people. But God controls even this, so that His desires are the outcome.

Guess what I am really doing with this post? I am showing you how the Bible shows that it has power and strength, and that it is truth. But I am doing it in such a way that you won't understand the strength of the Bible unless you really want to. You won't understand because you don't want to, but if you wanted to, then you would.

Btw, this is only the beginning of the ways that the Bible can be shown to be way stronger than any other writing, for truth and accuracy, and that it is the Word of God.

Cool
hero member
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December 20, 2018, 09:00:16 AM

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Cool

Thank you for those examples. The huge difference is that we have thousands of different documents from famous people that lived 200-300 years ago. You only have 1 book, the bible, talking about illogical things like talking snakes and other insane things. We know Isaac Newton exists not only because we have paintings of him but also because of the thousand of documents about him and his research. Someone must have done that research regardless if it was someone called newton or not, that's a fact. There is no research in the bible, there are also tons of other books talking about magical and mystical stuff, what's your criteria here? The book with a lot of copies is the real one?
legendary
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December 19, 2018, 09:18:35 PM
The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

No it's not.

For eighty years (4+ generations) everyone forgot what happened.

The suddenly, four men remembered it in such fine detail?  

Read the bible!  - The four men reference each others stories, and the most original story talks about a temple that was built 80 years after the protagonist died.

Fiction.

I have read. Nowhere does it talk about these things you posted. At least not the way you said them. Point me to the spot.

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legendary
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December 19, 2018, 09:17:17 PM

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.

Oh come on, now! Now you are trying to tell us that history that is recorded never happened. No Abraham Lincoln, right? No George Washington, right? All the courtcases we have on file from the early 1800s are entirely made up, right?

When you look into the kind of people the nation of Israel is/was, you will find that they are some of the absolute best recorders and preservers of the record regarding family and nation history.

Cool
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
December 19, 2018, 06:43:09 PM
The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

No it's not.

For eighty years (4+ generations) everyone forgot what happened.

The suddenly, four men remembered it in such fine detail? 

Read the bible!  - The four men reference each others stories, and the most original story talks about a temple that was built 80 years after the protagonist died.

Fiction.
hero member
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December 19, 2018, 05:39:14 PM

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

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Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

Cool

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

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So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales


Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

Cool

You keep saying eye witnesses, there is no alive eye witness that has witnessed god, therefore you are just trusting a book.
legendary
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December 19, 2018, 04:42:49 PM

This is the same for science. The differences are, The Bible says it straight out and people believe or don't. Science papers essentially says that they don't know if they are right, but people believe them anyway. So, which is more of a religion? Bible or science?

Cool

Show me one pregnant virgin or one talking snake.  It is a fucking fairy tale. Why can't you understand this?  You seem to be able to understand more complex issues, but with this simple fairy tale, you seem to have some trouble.

Do you need help?  It is self-evident, no?  Anyone with non-zero critical thinking skills can see it.  Why can't you?

Show me that science really knows that the universe is billions of years old, or that it began by a Big Bang, or that the far distances are as great as science says, or that there isn't some cataclysmic disaster traveling towards the solar system at the speed of light.

Remember. Scientists say right in their papers that they don't really know about these things.

The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.

Keep your so-called science religion if you want. Science isn't faulty, because the scientists say that they don't know. It's the manipulators of science knowledge - the university leaders - who are turning science into a cult.

Cool

''The Bible is eye witness reports of things that happened.'' How do you know?

Told you that, as many as a dozen times or more, in this thread and others. If you want to find out directly, do a detailed study on how the Bible came to be. Other than that, look back in this thread.

Cool

So what you saying is, you know because you know, because you said so.  

The Bible is true because it says so.

The Bible is an eyewitness account because it says so.

God is real because the Bible says so.

Pinocchio is real because the book "The Adventures of Pinocchio" says so.

Here are more books for you, all based on eyewitness accounts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fairy_tales


Where did I say that?

You posted it. Such can be expected from you. You seem to be willing to only accept the science that suits you. Science that shows the solidity of the Bible has all your science theories beat, hands down.

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Since you seem to be confused, let me help you a little bit.

Start here:
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then go one by one here:
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