Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 12. (Read 9725 times)

I think there was a similar discussion, it was about merit farmers and resellers, where posts were deleted to reduce the possibility of recognition of giving credit for meaningless posts between alt accounts.
Although I am sure that Ratimov did not plan such an epilogue.

I'm interested in why the threads that Ratimov cleaned of their content are not deleted. As far as I can see, they are all still there, although they are now useless. I was reported to the moderator by one of those, but I see that the ad is still unhandled.

They are and I consider it unfair, perhaps another hole for Ratimov to get more merits [LOL].

Just a thought, wouldn't it be fair if we had a feature where we could report such topics or posts to administrator [not mod] to reverse the merits. The goal for merit system is to appreciate good posts, not the empty posts. If it was one or two which happened accidentally then it seemed fine but when a user constantly is trying to remove his contents but keeping the merits earned by these contents then it become weird. 

Removed the members from the quote who gave their opinion and or showed their response by updating their trust list. I wonder the rest of them are still unaware of the situation especially those who are active and posting regularly in different boards?

updated my Trust setting, excluded this member but not distrusted

he haven't broken forum rules (at least from what I understand?), he used tricks to hide links when copy pasting/quoting content from others (but it was still valuable content), misused his DT1 power to defend himself (or even attacked others but removed it after he was corrected by respected forum members), behaves very questionable

this is true, I never questioned the author and thought this is all original content at least the once I have read. Links are something many members care about (not whiteout a reason) and one can be accused for plagiarism even if add them not correctly (have seen it in the past). I myself try to add links always just after copy pasted content, also in many cases at the end, all is of course clearly visible, especially if copied something from forum, just to be safe from accusations, learned my lesson because happened to me to copy paste sentence from other member instead of quoting him (in my early days) and i was almost banned.

again big surprise that somebody was able to do it for so long, received many merits and gained DT power when doing so.

Both.


What you saw (and what everyone else saw) is just Ratimov's true character. This is the character he tried hard to disguise all these years, in order to fool everybody about what-a-great-forum-contributor-he-is. Until this topic, only those which dared to confront him "had the honor of being blessed" to meet his true face. He was carefully though to hide everything when users' eyes (and, especially, DT users' eyes) were on him. But now he could not refrain his dementia anymore and allowed everybody his real face.

If you feel like this individual should never get back to DT1 again please don't forget to add him to your distrust list.

Is it a case of one having a large bruised ego or just some unapologetic immature spoilt kid behind the keyboard? Because, what the fuck have i just seen develop over the past few day? 

This Universe continues to surprise me just when i think i have seen it all.

He still has a perfectly fine account other not than being dt1 which is not the end of the world. I don’t know why he is acting like a kid. In the past people got their accounts tarred and feathered for much less. It seems to me nowadays people send negatives only if the account in question scammed somebody. Back in my time things were rough. Today's kids don’t know those times and they are not grateful for what they have today. In 1998, I was using an MMX CPU with a 2gb hdd, 1mb onboard gpu. Now people have 1tb cell phones playing 3d GTA games. I was dialing up internet with a 56k modem and a goddamn mp3 file was taking 10 minutes to be downloaded . What do you call that? Progress.

Ahh well, at least now someone can say that he's no longer in DT1 because he wiped his entire trust list and thus he made himself ineligible for DT selection.

The "Guest" was added after theymos restored the deleted topics. I assume the Merits are still counted on Ratimov's account.

To his credit, he did delete his negs against Gazeta, but then re-added them only a couple days later... He couldn't stop himself after his buttons were re-pushed, which is unfortunate. Now he has deleted all ratings. And I should add it was good of Gazeta to downgrade their tag to neutral.

Well, that about wraps er up... Not sure there's much left to be said or done at this point. A cautionary tale of forum drama.

Look only at how ridiculous this looks like:


291 merits for a blank topic.

Or this:



23 merits (10 being from theymos!) for this very interesting "34a3". The content "34a3" must be very useful.

Also, as a side note, by taking a look at the 78 topics you listed here, I noticed that within the ones not deleted his name appears now as "R20231030" and the rank is guest. So this guest got 10 merits from theymos for writing "34a3".

What Satoshi did to deserve being removed from a trust list? All of this could have been avoided if he had just deleted the incorrect tags, and then he would have had the upper hands against Gazeta, since it would be Gazeta on the wrong side by tagging him for something "moderation" related. But he ignored that fact because of anger. While he could still be on DT, having his threads untouched, no drama, no hurt feelings etc.

You, are correct. He delete all of the his feedback and trust list, although few users already explain about their reason to include him, it seems this time we need to hear their opinions (again).

He wants to dig it further. Now he wants to create more drama with users who use his deleted threads, was that the main reason for erasing those threads? I saw how he reacted to NotATether while NotATether was completely calm. His rudeness is the only reason why he is here today. His current DT1 Strength is -5 but I feel like he wants to make it -10 or more.

I do not see any problem because NotATether posted that by writing that it's a deleted thread of Ratimov. However, according to Ratimov, he cannot do that by hiding behind a link. LOL.

I consider Merit to be for "a post worth reading", so if the post is gone, the Merit lost it's purpose.

I'm tempted to create a "users with most Merit earned on deleted posts" list. It only requires scraping 130513 posts. It may be a good list to find Merit traders too.

I wouldn't look for too much reason here. Most likely it's just spitefulness and over-inflated ego. In NotATether's thread he said something along the lines "you all did [something or other] against me", not sure who "all" is - the whole forum? So he holds a big grudge against everyone. You all wronged me so I'll remove all my threads, that'll teach you. Didn't think it through however.

I don't think it's about merit farming... I mean if he created a thread and got merit for it, he earned it, nothing wrong there.

What I really don't understand is why would Ratimov go ahead and try to delete an quality post that he made. I haven't seen anyone doubting that his debit card list thread was useful and also original. It really doesn't help his case to go ahead and say that he was pissed when someone went ahead and "forked" his now erased thread to bring out the information and keep updating.

The accusation of merit farming holds more ground if he stands against people releasing information freely just because he had formatted a thread about a certain topic earlier than others...

I was being sarcastic In case you are not aware (or you forgot), that was Ratimov's infamous introduction to his plagiarized topics. He presented them using those words, like it was his material while, in fact, he was copy-pasting tons of essays written by different authors.

Replying here to keep the other topic clean.


Why? I shouldn't have to treat Bitcointalk like a court system where wording is important.

Quite frankly, I am patently uninterested in the Ratimov plagiarism claims, but here this is like burning the Library of Alexandria.


Then what would be the difference between that and just chucking it on my website on the Wordpress page builder?

There is only so much variation you can make from a header, image, and list arranged like so. You cannot even copyright page design anyway, that's why plagiarism only applies to content. [Also it's worth nothing that the images are from 3rd party sites and I even had to re-upload them since he apparently deleted them too]

The way I see things is, this is a topic with a high Google Search result. People looking for cards shouldn't have to be inconvenienced from deleted information because of situations like this.

So as you can see, I was quite upset when he deleted that topic, and I'm pretty sure there are other erased threads of his of similar importance to others. I however will not be touching on those as they are not particularly interesting to me, although anyone with Ninjastic & an online HTML to BBcode tool can easily restore it (with attribution, to avoid poking the bees' nest).

Edit: Although now that I think about it, the non-KYC thing is also sufficiently important, but that's going to go in the Wiki after suitable modification.

Is that really necessary? That thread is about cards, not about Ratimov. This one here though... yeah here we can "touch upon" the hypocrisy and other happenings of the former DT1 member.

I almost spilled my coffee because of laugh while reading this. I believe Ratimov saw this post and got scared:

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I also made a post inside NotATether's thread (and I really hope that he'll use my suggestion)

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We can expect anything from this Ratimov. Including to write again all his topics, for earning some more thousands of merits.

I, for one, am still waiting for someone to reinstate one of his topics and start it with "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]".