Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 14. (Read 9695 times)

Must be either that or what suchmoon said:

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Yes, Ratimov was determined to ruin all the fun. I was expecting this time to not limit his insults only to my mother but go forward to my father too, perhaps reach also some aunts and uncles of mine.

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Indeed. Ratimov turned the forum into his personal weapon, for attacking all possible users, especially those which ever dared to speak the truth about him.


I have 2 Russian sources which told me same thing -- that many left the forum because of his aggressivity. You are the third one which says this.


I recommend you to present this topic in Russian local board, thus more people will know that Ratimov was exposed for all miserable things he did and to know as well that he was excluded from DT.

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LMAO, that was the scammer complaining that another scammer is more agile than him!

Nuclear energy in itself is not good or evil. Only in the hands of a person does it become one thing or another. We can all use a knife as a tool in the kitchen, but at any time it can become a weapon.
If Nick Szabo or Hal Finney acted here as speakers in the reputation section, they would never be able to code and participate in the development of the military-technical cooperation because they would leave all their energy and benefit here. I'm trying to convey just one point to you. The overwhelming minority of people who actually do something useful for the community take part in reputation wars. These are fanatics, they are interested in completely different things and they are certainly very useful for the community. In the end, it was thanks to such cypherpunk fanatics that BTC was born. Thanks to them for this.

In any system there are parasites and scammers who try to take advantage of the system created by other people only for their own benefit while deceiving other members of the community. They definitely need to be identified and expelled from the community.

You are obviously trying to protect this gentleman and not find the truth. First, you are trying to say that the offensive manner of behavior is not commonplace for this subject. Now you are trying to say that he should not be a model on the forum. Well, I agree with your second statement. But you have already shown your bias. There is no point in further explaining or proving anything to you.

I am one of the few who remain on this forum from a Russian-speaking locale. This is my personal opinion and I expressed it in relation to this gentleman. I came to this forum in 2017 to communicate about the exchange of ideas and not to sort things out.

Only the community can decide whether a given subject is useful for the community or not. But since he attracted so much attention to the search for justice, his actions and benefits should be fairly considered in this forum. "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Matthew 7:1-3

Synchronice, madnessteat nice to see some words from you. It does not matter what action you are taking but reading the main topic is important for the people who are trusting Ratimov and thinking he is doing great for the Default trust network. You have him in your list and you deserve to know right information. I would love to see more responses from the above users who still are waiting to write their words.

Thank you.

The ones in your screenshot are definitely not "useful." They appear to be run-of-the-mill bounty cheaters.

A bit off-topic but one of the smartest scammers ever was amaclin. He actually managed to get about $3.27 worth of BTC from me one time.    I think that was the last time I got scammed. Stolfi wrote him of the best trust feedbacks I've ever seen written about anyone:


I see that he is still around, recently logged in with his second account.

Once I had a conversation with a known Counterparty/Dogeparty scammer about him, was trying to find out if they were the same person (they are not):

By the way, I recently read in one of the Russian-language telegram chats how people shared information about abuse on the bitcointalk forum and how much they earned from it. They also complained that at some point the informers came and they were forced to leave the forum because of the bans. Are you talking about these forum members? It would be nice if you listed at least a few useful forum members who left because of Ratimov.



Source: https://t.me/c/1369370434/3235249



Thanks for the information. Now I fully understand Ratimov's point of view. I cannot say with certainty that he violated any rules of the forum or community agreements on the work of the trust system, so I will not take sides in this conflict. Personally, I have not found information anywhere that a DT member should set an example by his behavior or communication style. Gazeta Bitcoin's accusations do not have irrefutable evidence, so I cannot draw conclusions based on them. As I have said more than once, Ratimov is a thunderstorm for users who like to abuse on the forum. He crossed the path of many, so there are so many enemies in his forum life.

I also had a situation when I found myself in a difficult situation on this forum and also tried to exclude myself from the trust system by deleting trust lists, but after a while I realized that it would be better for me to be in this system, having only one account, an honest and straightforward person (which I am 100% sure of), than an unknown person to me is unclear with what goals.

Damn, the bar is being set quite high. It won't be easy for the next petulant 5 year old DT1 member to beat Ratimov at the throwing toys out of the pram world championship.

Actually, you are too late here bro!
There were a couple of replies by Ratimov, but he deleted them all. So, this thread was kind of censored. A couple of my posts were merged and then deleted because he deleted his replies. If you want to read all uncensored replies of this thread, it will be a good idea to start from here: https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

Do you think he was silent here? He tried his best and then he left this thread by deleting all the responses. So better start reading from ninjastic https://ninjastic.space/topic/5468454

Bravo!
    I just read the topic you raised today. I would like to add  a little about Mr. Ratimov and his atrocities on the forum.
You are really right and it’s great that you decided to expose the worst violator of the forum rules and use of the forum for personal gain.
    I can briefly remind you of the path of this gentleman on this forum. He appeared at the moment when the merit system was just introduced on this forum and immediately began to look for violators, for which he received encouragement from some users of the locale. Not many people actually encouraged him. Many Russian-speaking users did not know and were never interested in the reputation and trust section. People came here as a kind of common place where they can discuss Bitcoin, trading and technical issues. Before Ratimov came to the forum, there were a lot of smart and technically literate people in the Russian locale. I will not list anyone now, but the few other users who have remained since 2013/2017 can confirm that because of his aggressive actions, many left this forum. And the information and help of these people to the community were incomparable with Ratimov’s “imaginary” help.
In general, Ratimov’s entire journey on the forum is pure sabotage.

When it was still possible to stop the irreparable damage from his actions, I tried to expose Mr. Ratimov. But unfortunately for me, I acted emotionally and I have no supporters in the reputation society, except for people who also never participated in the reputation section. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53418571

I have no animosity towards this man. But his methods of gaining reputation for me personally are petty, dirty and damaging to society. I'm sad that truly thoughtful and interesting people have left the forum. If you pay attention to the Russian local network, you will see that only the reputation department and some other topics are alive there, in which it is difficult to get up to 30 people.



lease excuse me for my language with errors, I used Google translator, which is still far from perfect.

P.S.  from my point of view, plagiarism is what this gentleman was doing and not where the user accidentally did not insert a link to the original source of information. I myself was once such a fool who, without knowing the rules of the forum, risked speaking out in the reputation department of the Russian community against people like Ratimov. for which I was subjected to a meticulous study of my posts on this forum. And in the end, one of these petty people managed to find among my many posts the only one in which I forgot to provide a link to the author and the original text. I was first expelled from this community and then rehabilitated after the trial. but I was lucky that users who had not previously been involved in reputational disputes supported me and defended me in the Russian community.

P.S.S.


HAHAHA
In my opinion, you are exposing yourself when you try to protect this gentleman. at a minimum, you are not being honest with English-speaking people, since, due to the language barrier, they cannot fully enjoy Monsieur Ratimov’s style of communication.
He was always rude and got personal during communication. This person has absolutely no manners and no understanding of how civilized, cultured people communicate.
As far as I remember, you are a completely different person in terms of communication and you couldn’t help but notice the difference between your polite manner of communication and his offensive one.

My telegram notifications stopped working, so I only learned about this discussion today, probably like many other members of the Russian-speaking locale (next time, if someone needs my help, don’t hesitate to write me a private message).

Personally, I know Ratimov only as a positive forum member. As long as I remember him, he always left reviews only with links proving the abuse of other users. Maybe this changed over time, but at some point I stopped following his activities, because... I saw that he devotes much more time to the forum than anyone else, and to be honest, I got used to his responsibility and couldn’t even think anything bad about him. He became the first forum member who, without fear of anyone in the Russian-speaking locale, began to leave negative reviews for sellers and buyers of accounts, and conducted a lot of investigations regarding both plagiarism and other abuses on the forum. I, too, have always strived to comply with the rules of the forum and the unspoken agreements on the system of trust, so I supported this kind of activity.

I missed everything about the plagiarism story, so I can’t say anything about it, but as far as I know, some useful forum members avoided punishment for plagiarism.

If we talk about the curse words that GazetaBitcoin talks about, then I do not welcome this kind of communication, although I admit that once one of the forum members with his false statements infuriated me to such an extent that I could not restrain myself and expressed everything that I think about him in all colors Russian swear language.

Of course, it would be interesting to get acquainted with Ratimov’s point of view on this matter.

I already told him that nobody invited him here. Twice.

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Yes, the trick is the following: delete all your posts from your topic; delete the OP content as well; move your garbage to Russian local board, where Russian mods act as garbage men. At least they act like Ratimov's personal garbage men. Dunno if someone else can have this honor.

Yep. It has been boring af since lauda left the forum. She never gave a flying fuck. She was firing off red trust ratings left and right. Like every amazing thing, it came to an end. This last conflict was alright but not as fun as the older ones. First of all, ratimov isn’t even fighting back directly. Smart but Where is the fun in that? Come here and throw some curse words mate

Tman too. And techshare… old friends leaving the table one by one

Where teh fuck is marlboroman?

I thought you can't delete topics??? ... unless you know the trick

Could someone please create a topic in the Beginners & Help section for us on the "Step by Step process of deleting a Topic?"

Well, I have been following this since BitcoinGirl.Club started an Unusual forum moderation topic. I think it's been a long time since Lauda left, and we haven't seen any such entertainment full discussions.

I would love to hear the other side too, but I guess we won't be hearing anything soon. One thing I would say after 10 pages here and a few more on another topic, but not a single word from the gentleman. Wow, bravo!!! 👏

Well, posts like this one sound the bells on the smart bands set up for this forum. Some take it as invite. Some others don't see why. It's funny.


I tend to believe that he wants to show us that the world will stop spinning around without his contribution, plus this has the potential of hiding the traces of the real motifs behind some of the other deletions.


However, quite sad how this story goes on. Not unfair imho, still, sad..

There is no betterment for Ratimov. Everything he does is only to fool people somehow (managing to fool even mods!!!), to trick them or to act in frenzy until all eyes are on him then he start to covers his misery. At this point he does not even care about that anymore, so he shows everyday that he does not care about anything, about any forum rule, about any common sense, about any guideline for using his (ex-) DT powers and so on.

You saw what he did inside AOBT thread, right?
You saw also what he did in the past, right?
You saw how he never answered your question, right?
You saw how he never answere my questions, right?
You saw how he stopped using that introduction after he was exposed for plagiarism, right?
You saw how he deleted all those topics and posts which possibly contained evidence for plagiarism, right? -- Including the post where he self admitted that only 10% of his content is original, LOL!
You saw how he distrusted all those users, in revenge, right?
You saw how he hid all this time, just like TimeLord did in similar situation, right?
You saw that he deleted all his feedbacks precisely after he was excluded fr4om DT1, right?

And you still think about the possibility of... betterment? Really? With all due respect holydarkness, that's naivete!


Everything this individual did was excessive. Since he joined this forum. He only acted in a manner to show everybody what a best-at-everything he is. Now he showed them all. Now everybody can see Ratimov's finest.

Oh? I noticed that he wiped out all of his feedback because I visited his trust page after he's off DT and it looked like this,



but it didn't come to my awareness that he also retracted all of his flags, mainly because the list still shows "created flag" and I didn't dig further. It seems... excessive. I am not sure if it's a good idea or a step forward toward betterment.

Ignore all the comments and read from here.
There is no point in arguing since you didn't know how to use the system properly. So arguing with them will make you look bad only.
You need to know one thing to understand whom to add and whom to exclude.

- If you see someone's judgment is good, they have a good trust list, and they leave accurate feedback. = Add them to your trust list.
- If you see someone create good content = Merit their content.
- If you had done any deal with anyone where you had risk to lose, but the deal went smoothly and you also think he is unlikely to scam = Leave a positive feedback.
- If you see someone scammed others or scammed you, or see the attempt of scams = Leave a negative feedback.

You're welcome 

I only saw this now. Ratimov indeed wiped his sent feedback, and withdrew his Flags. I only checked a few of the Flags created by other users, but it looks like Ratimov deleted his vote on (all of?) those too.
Ratimov seems to have a flair for the dramatic.

Wild guess: did he wipe his Trust list too? That leaves no reason to include him.

He said the reason, he did it was because Ratimov deleted all his previous feedback. Only the flags he created are left.
Another very bad reaction to all this happening. I don't want to explain this further, probably everything has already been said in this thread.


Probably the most correct decision

Cool! So in one day, there are 2 less users (who-aren't-scammers) with negative feedback from DT.

I read it, and I quoted you selectively to make a point. Being a good guy doesn't necessarily mean their judgement on others is good too.

Correction: wwzsocki has enough inclusions to be eligible for theymos' DT1 random selection. That means he's likely to be on DT1 again, but if he's not, he's less likely to still be on DT2. That's not a big deal, he'll be back on later.

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Reading the title again: Case closed. I'll click unwatch now.

That quote didn't end there:
Yes, I read that. Plagiarism is not a good thing to do, we should appreciate the time and energy that others put in their own work. I have to admit that I didn't know about that because his profile was full of positive feedbacks and tons of merits. I thought high number of merits was an indicator of high post quality and not plagiarism.

Yes, I learn a lot from these guys and they help others with bitcoin related problems. How can I not them?
By the way, I have never tried to get around so called cool boys and girls in high school. I was cool enough to attract others and be on top.

It is what it is and I said I'll read more about trust system to understand its importance here. I didn't know if it was deciding someone's life.
By the way, I suggest you to read your posts and then ask yourself, if theymos or satoshi were posting instead of you, would they post like you? I think you should be more chill, act like an adult. I have only read some part of your post, I'll probably read whole story later but I don't think I would spend hours to post about someone and please don't put me into this game. I said I'll read more about trust system and renew my trust list or will delete everyone, period.