Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 15. (Read 9825 times)

This is getting more and more ridiculous.


I am wrong? With what?


Lol, no? I thought this is precisely what you wrote above:


Now it's not that anymore?


Lol! Have you ever read OP? Have you seen that this individual earned a few thousands of merits by plagiarizing the work of other authors?


You like them? LMAO! You added them because you like them? Where do you think you are? In high school? Trying to get around you cool boys and girls?


You added someone to your Trust list because he is a good guy??

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Who invited you? Oo


Now I'm confused... A few days ago Ratimov was a god among men... at least, in your view. How could this happen? The god fell from the sky?

Stop inviting me to this topic! It is impolite.

Most things you did in this topic say more about you than about Ratimov. The way you interpret other people's actions among them.

You are again wrong in your interpretation. I've just excluded Ratimov from my trust list, but not basing on your words or the words of BitcoinGirl.Club (BitcoinGirl.Club, you are welcome to make a research, all data is public, right for that everyone can make his own research) who both have personal conflicts with Ratimov, but basing on what Ratimov does himself. Deleting all feedback leaves no sense in it.

You're still not convincing in this case.

I suggest that they give you the passwords of their accounts so that you can edit their trust lists the way you think is right.
Do not pressure or impose your opinion on anyone. Maybe someone doesn't want to give in to your pressure because they don't have enough trust in your judgement. Everyone should make their own decision based on personal assessment.


I think that it will be very difficult to happen. He started this week with 6 DT strengths, having 12 DT1 inclusions and 5 exclusions. He is now out of DT selection, which means that he has gotten at least 7 new ~ from DT1. A good part of those members will be selected again in DT1, and some new ones ^{from their distrusted by} list will be added.
At the same time, he lost the ability to choose DT2, so users for whom he is a crucial vote also lose DT1 potential. For example, check wwzsocki. His only DT1 inclusion is from Ratimov, who is no longer that, which will almost certainly exclude him in the next reshuffle.


Also one of the reasons why I hesitated for a long time and finally made the decision I did. It's okay if you don't know or don't understand something but Ratimov has repeatedly emphasized in his threads that he is an experienced forum member. It's simple, if you are experienced here, don't make beginner mistakes ignore them even later. I expected better from him regarding this drama.

First of all, you are very wrong about me, chill.
I am not his minion and and his support has nothing to do with helping me to rank up, I have never asked for anyone to merit me, never ever. My point was that this user helps high quality posters to rank up (exclude me if you want) and when I saw his list of users whom he helped, I understood that he reads their posts and doesn't randomly choose them, I think this is not his negative side. Then I see that this user also creates some good topics, like the ones I included above and his merits probably prove that he is not a low quality poster.

Also, there are the following guys in my trust list: davef, oeleo, notatether. Did they buy me? C'mon. I like them, like what they do, appreciate them and that's why I added them.

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Yes, I am a hero member but I have never put much importance on trust system. When I have a technical question, trust doesn't matter for me. When I want to answer someone whether Ledger is a good choice or not, trust doesn't matter for me. I don't trade with anyone on this forum, at least yet.

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Also, I apologized if I used it wrongly and said I'll be more careful.

C'mon, read my response above this quote. I just thought he was a good guy like DaveF and others that are in my list. No one has ever bought me and I have never asked for anything on this forum. I think I don't deserve this title.

Oh, wait! What is this? Sacré bleu! Could it be?



By what miracle? But how? I am shocked!

BitcoinGirl.Club, aren't you shocked too? jokers10 just stopped trusting Ratimov! Of course,he did not distrust him, as his spirit of defending his master is still alive inside him but still, he stopped trusting him! At least for the appearance in front of others, of course.

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Done.

For the record: it wasn't meant to be a threat. More like a warning of how it makes him look.

This still applies (both for GazetaBitcoin as well as for Ratimov):
@GazetaBitcoin: go for neutral! Ratimov is off DT1, isn't it time to de-escalate further?

Lol.

I feel the same. I like to be sure enough so I don't have to change feedback or Trust list entries any time soon again.

When it comes to Trust inclusions, I've accepted that I can't and don't have to agree with everything. But if the number of actions I don't agree with keeps increasing, eventually the scale tips to the other side. I think it's a good thing more DT-members are like that. There's no need to rush decisions based on incidents.

There are others reasons not to rush to exclude anyone.

That sounds a lot like buying your vote. Luckily, since nobody trusts your judgement, it doesn't matter much. You should probably read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system ^{(I know I'm the third person mentioning that now)} though, so you include users for the right reasons.

Of course helping someone to rank up is a good deeds as long as the user is deserved, you can call Ratimov is a good guy, but it has no correlation with feedback he left and his trust list, this two parts are used to judge whenever someone should be included or excluded from your trust list.

Didn't know something like this, thanks.

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Ratimov removed all of his feedbacks, my speculation is he start to ignore the global board and only participate in his local board[/url].

If this is how people use Trust system, this is bad. Very bad. And it only proves my statement from OP:


If there was any doubt about that now here's proof in plain sight: a Hero user (Hero!!!), having no idea how Trust should be used, although he is on the forum for more than 2 years already, which admits that he added Ratimov on his Trust list because of merit showers and for reading 2 topics.

Makes sense, right?

I hope that, at least, DT users don't add people on their Trust lists because they helpd them to rank up or for reading 1-2 topics.


You can find here LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.


Then read OP thoroughly. You'll understand.

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jokers10 will not find anything wrong with Ratimov even if he would be banned. Even in such case, for jokers10 Ratimov would be just a victim of the system.


Of course zasad@ is cool, after he received 964 merits from Ratimov. How could not be cool after 964 merits? /s


Please be aware that JG just stopped trusting Ratimov.


Stalker22 also stopped trusting Ratimov. He did not distrust him, similar to almost all other users which trusted him then deleted him from their Trust lists but, at least, he stopped trusting him. 1miau is the only one which trusted Ratimov then distrusted him.

Interesting that ratimov did everything to get to where he is today (or should I said yesterday), made his account a dt1 member, gained lots of trust and even though he cheated, he could have gotten through this without taking that much damage. All he had to do was apologize. He could have said “Yes I was a cheater before but I have seen the light and from now on I am going to church every week.” and many people wouldn’t have distrusted him. It is because people are stup… no no that’s not the word i was looking for… it is because people are forgiving. But no, he had to fight the Corleone family. Train vs human. Train wins again. Rip all them dt1 efforts

When someone is creating good posts you appreciate them with merit, when someone helps you to rank up, you can make a post to appreciate them in public. But none of these have anything to do with adding or excluding anyone from Trust list unless it is a concept about how they see the system. Fact is Ratimov was using your ignorance and all those helps were just to take the advantage of your unknown territory. Many like you are victim of it and giving him the power to abuse the system without knowing the result or your inclusion.

If you are not sure about how the Default trust system works then it better not to add/remove anymore from your trust list. Keep it empty. Study the general concept of trust list, ask questions about it in a separate topic to clear your understanding. I am glad finally you evolved in the discussion and I hope you will learn many things about trust system from the discussion.

Seems, I am into the game where I don't know the rules well. I added him into my trust list because he helped me two or three times to rank up and not only me, he helped other users too without asking. Then, I noticed that he is trusted by many and he also has some good threads, like this¹ and also this².

It's not like I trust him with everything but I think (or thought, I need time to figure out everything) he is a better member than others, that's probably how my trust list works. Seems, I don't know the rules well.

By the way, I will be glad if someone enlightens me about the importance of trust system on this forum. I don't understand how can someone abuse it and play with it like it's a real power. Does anyone really care about the left feedback without reading proofs? If there is a negative feedback left on me without proofs, does it matter if it's left by LoyceV (don't get it wrong) or by any random newbie?

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Give me some time, probably days or 1-2 weeks, I can't just sit and focus entirely on it. I'll read more about trust system on this forum and I'll also check Ratimov's story and activity in details, then I'll make a decision. I'll also check every user that I have added in my trust list.

jokers10 did not find anything wrong with Ratimov, he is convinced that everything is good with him. zasad@ seems cool too. At least these two were involved in the discussions. I will need to check their feedback leaving history and their DT list to check the ratio of backscratching before I make a decision of including or excluding them in or from my trust list. If it looks like that they have same opinion with controversial cases like this then there will be no doubt they are supporting members who supports them in return.

I don't think I have anything new to say about JollyGood who thinks Ratimov is someone who is 1000 times better than me and have contributed in the forum 1000 times better than me. According to JollyGood it seems he is one of the top respected forum member and rest of us are just garbage of the forum.

The current DT status of him not in DT1 anymore is temporary, in the next shuffle there is a good chance for him to comeback unless some of the key members who have good DT strength will not exclude him or distrust him. Such members are: wwzsocki, Gianluca95, thandie, tmfp, klarki, nimogsm, my luck, Wapfika, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, giammangiato, imhoneer, KTChampions, Smartprofit, Coin-1, Julien_Olynpic, Bitcoin_Arena, tvplus006 , witcher_sense, sky999, bubbalex, taikuri13, madnessteat, FontSeli, YOSHIE, Stalker22, ajanwalker, Charles-Tim, execijutiere, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Synchronice, SatoPrincess, Silence Scream, Jossque.

I will be shuffling my trust list in the coming few weeks and there will be a major changes in it. I do think anyone who does not see anything wrong and so much blind about everything even after they are unfolded so nicely, do not deserve to be in DT and support the mess created by Ratimov. Also I will need to observe how many of these member starts to distrust me knowing that they might be distrusted by one vote sooner or later.

Thank you for involving as well, examplens!
I also take this opportunity to thank to fillippone as well, since he also involved in all this.

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I believe that majority of DT users were intimidated by the possibility they'll be excluded by him as well, in revenge; or, even worst -- that they'll receive another monster negative feedback from him, full (as usual) of baseless accusation and insults. After so many years, many (if not all) DT users know what Ratimov does when anyone dares to confront him: abusive Trust exclusion + fake negative feedback (all these combined also with the possibility of receiving also some spoiling from Ratimov). His thug-like approach determined many to not intervene, yet some did it (and were excluded by him, accordingly) and I congratulate them. And those which intervened helped others find their courage / motivation to intervene as well and do something to correct this shocking situation where one individual scares so many others by abusing his DT powers the way he pleases.

He was probably certain that he scared enough people for not having to worry that so many will come to distrust him.

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I believe that this possibility is very unlikely. This topics gathered already 3222 views and it had almost 200 before having any post. LV's thread exposing Ratimov's pathetic attempts to colver his plagiarism by deleting his old threads has 1200+ views. Most likely, a big part of DT users noticed these threads but are still intimidated by this individual.

It happened, just a few minutes ago.



I think he "played his card wrong", majority of the DTs were ready to refrain from taking action, understand [probably hoping] that he'll learn from his past mistakes. His recent retaliatory backfired.

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Edit: sorry, late for a few minutes and already announced above. I was making this post from the tiny screen of my phone while having my morning coffee.

I finally added ~Ratimov to my list and It seems that he is no longer DT1.



Maybe I should have done it earlier, but I'm not a supporter of crucifying and expelling someone from the forum. I expected a different epilogue.
Although he has pretty much excluded himself from discussions on the rest of the forum, as far as I can see, he is mostly on the local board. I hope that in the end, all this will not demotivate him to continue his life on the forum.


Now there are a few more exclusions. We will see the reaction after you publish an update on the complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings on Saturday.



It is easier to open the page at bpip.org
DT1 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
DT2 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

I don't think Royce's case was too shady like Ratimov, it was not complected at all. He is playing with the whole system while Royce had a failed project, then he paid for his mistakes with all unpaid payments. He shared the entire incident with some selected members he trusted with information, my best guess is he did not want some personal conversations to be public. But some users did not like that and felt insulted that why he didn't share the same with them. Especially JollyGood felt he should have received all attention.

On the other hand so far we have learned about Ratimov is he is cunning like a fox, using the hole of the system and took all the unethical advantages which are not appreciated by many members so far. It's sad that many were not aware of all of it before the OP brought everything together, but personally I was very concerned about it. If you noticed then I think I was the person who spoke many things against Ratmov from long ago, and I do the same for JollyGood too. Ratimov now got caught in public and I believe some day JollyGood will have the same fate. You are still using 1st generation intel [brain] while I have the fasted processor inside LOL

LOL. I got the same vibe but I don't think LoyceV threatening him.


Do you eliminate the possibility that the majority of them do not use any kind of Notification bots and ignore the reputation board? I have seen the stats from TryNinja that only 500 users use his Telegram bot and I don't know about LoyceV's notification website users yet. But I highly doubt all of them are aware of this thread. Even if they know about it, I doubt they have read the OP and the discussion happened in the last couple of days. Someone need a couple of cups of coffee to finish reading the whole thing to understand what happened.

tHAts BEcaUsE yOu'RE tHe LeADeR oF ThE dT mAFiA!!!

Where is c-unter when we need him to explain how the DT Mafia punishes those that dare to go against their agenda?

If its necessary to explain, I'm joking.

I'm just wondering if there's some kind of correlation between an uptick in the price of BTC and an uptick in forum drama. Quite possibly.


As far as I'm concerned, this was a million years ago and its been discussed, analyzed and dissected to death; there's no real reason to keep rehashing it, unless he's still doing it.

Hovering your cursor (if you're use PC) or tap it (if you're use cell phone) on the "DT1".

I wrote that I thought things were not going to change much just before LoyceV made his move, and the moment he did I changed my mind. Now I think it is quite likely.

How do you see the DT strenght in his profile on bpip.org? Looking at the latest update of his trust list on loyce.club and the latest DT1 changes on bpip.org I see the latest changes in this regard have been JG and Stalker22 who have removed him from their trust list.


I don't see much sense in this, as I explained in a previous post. There will be people who will continue to trust Ratimov in the same way that there were people who continued to trust Royse777 when things got ugly, and it will not be rare that among them there will be merits sent back and forth, trust list inclusions or positive feedback without having broken the rules.

Although if someone wants to investigate it, go ahead, and if they get results, present them to the community.