Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? - page 16. (Read 9825 times)

It's true and this part made me laugh when I was reading it. But it sounds like you are threatening him not to do that.

Those who have not removed him from their trust list, not even felt to write a few words in this topic, just ignoring everything about this topic and the other topics created in the last few weeks, I think someone should investigate the feedback they left, the people they trust and distrust, the merits they sends and receives. I doubt we will not find unnecessary positive feedback with no trade reference, trust list with backscratching and merit fans to each others.

That's known. We know The Sceptical Chymist. But majority is doing this for getting into DT despite using the system for the purpose it has been created.
I have got one exclusion from an user who is in my trust list. I don't bother about that either because for me, his feedbacks are useful. I want to see the feedbacks he sent by default. That's what matters to me. That's why I'm not going to exclude him unless he turns into someone like Ratimov. That's how I use the system. Well, if everyone used the system for the same purpose, I believe we wouldn't have heard someone saying it's a joke. By the way, as pointed out above, if someone like you who understand the purpose of the system and understand how it works, opts out them from the system, the system will look more of jokes. That's why it's important to use the system for people like you and others who understand pretty much.

Um, yeah it's retaliation.  That's obvious by the timing and the fact that I've done nothing else to Ratimov aside from ~'ing him from my trust list and have had no contact with him, probably ever.  

That's OK, though.  I think the trust system has become a total joke anyway, which is why I opted out of the game completely for the past I-don't-know-how-many months.  The only reason I created a new trust list was to participate in this situation we're discussing here.  And Little Mouse, I did not create a custom trust list in order to get onto DT; I just want that known.  As I've said, being on that list used to mean something and the members on it were expected to use the "power" it gave them very, very responsibly.  These days it's a complete free for all.

He's not fucking me.  He doesn't realize it yet, perhaps, but he's eventually going to dig his own grave when the majority of the community goes against him, which it looks like is going to be what happens.  

I don't think his deletion of threads/posts should count against him, though.  If you open up a self-moderated thread, you've got the right to do what you will with anything therein.  Sure, it'll lower the post count of members who'd posted in the thread but that's the risk you take, and it's clearly stated at the top of the page when a thread is self-moderated.

Yeah, I never had anything against him either (though I knew about the plagiarism accusations, I never did a deep dive into their validity and assumed the mods would do their job if he was truly guilty).  I still don't aside from the fact that he appears to be acting in an extremely emotional way and also seems to be sort of power-hungry. 

Currently his DT strength is 1, which I think sooner or later he will fall out.

And to be fair he could get back to become DT member as long as he hear what people opinions against him and take it as professional.

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I also exclude Ratimov from my trust list even though I don't have any power.

I have been steering clear of everything DT, I am glad I asked Theymos to blacklist me from DT1 so that I don't have to keep track of all the people I include in my trust list, you just never know when one of them will unleash the beast inside of them. .

I did not dig deep into this topic, but looking at LoyceV's comment above made me curious to see Ratimov recent trust changes, he started to adjust his trust list in a tit-for-tat fashion which is a terrible way of using the trust system, the trust system was designed in a way that the collective reflection of all users will consolidate in a single (wide) point of view, using it to strengthen your position or to weaken someone else's position is pretty catastrophic.

Palagrimis aside since that is a different topic and should be handled by the mods, if Ratimov did not start this relation trust list altering, and instead, he deleted/modified the unjust feedback he left on all those profiles -- his chance of staying in DT would have been a lot higher, but as it stands right now, the way I see it is that Ratimov doesn't use his trust list to vote for those whom he thinks their feedback should be visible but rather a tool to maintain his "power".

I excluded him from my trust list, I am not DT1 anymore but I hope my opinion on this matter will help others who trust my judgment in making their own decision to exclude him.

With that said, I hope that the other DT members don't see this as a chance to "end Ratimov forum career", I also hope he doesn't take this too personally, I don't think you are a bad person, in fact, I think your contribution to the forum is a net positive, I just don't think you are fit for DT.

This is subjective way of looking at the post. However, either way of understanding it still incriminates Ratimov of plagiarism:

1. He self admits directly that he copy-pastes / plagiarizes in 90% of his content => self admitted plagiarism.

2. "He claims that only 10% of the overall bitcointalk content is original and rest is copy/paste of someone else's material and not him admitting that only 10% of his posts are original, in a way to justify his extensive copypasting as according to him, everyone is doing it." -- since everyone is doing it, then he does it too, since "everyone" includes him as well => self admitted plagiarism.

The way I understood that (now deleted) post is that he claims that only 10% of the overall bitcointalk content is original and rest is copy/paste of someone else's material and not him admitting that only 10% of his posts are original, in a way to justify his extensive copypasting as according to him, everyone is doing it.

I salute the decision of LV and lovesmayfamilies to ~ Ratimov. Once again, Ratimov is proving that he weaponized Trust system and uses it only as he pleases, for years in a row, without remorse. This is happening since he got into DT1, but he managed to get there by using his skills to hide his plagiarism.

Speaking of which, it seems that he did not delete only the 78 topics found by LV, but many other posts, in his futile attempt to hide his plagiarism.

For instance, this post:


quoted by me in OP and quoted also years ago by airfinex in the topic where he exposed Ratimov's plagiarism -- is now gone.

The post was there before but he deleted it too, thus those not knowing about ninjastic.space will never see this statement where he admitted clearly that he plagiarizes 90% of what he wrote. Most likely, he deleted other incriminatory posts as well.

In fact, he deleted all his posts from the topic started by airfinex.

For those not aware, the topic is full of examples of plagiarism made by Ratimov and also of examples given by wooI_Ioow, exposing how Ratimov was breaking rule 27 (Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed) by copy-pasting articles and translating them with Google Translate in Russian board ([1], [2], [3], [4]).

I am almost sure he deleted all his posts starting with "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]".

Somehow, I am not surprised it happened, or having a hard feeling about it, I even half "expecting" it'll happen at one point, because it justifies the tilde put upon him. It matched his MO of retaliatory feedback, IMO, if any, I didn't misjudged when I decided to put him on my distrust list.

Now it's going to backfire on him as well. Today LoyceV and lovesmayfamilis distrusted Ratimov. Now I am interested to see if Ratimov distrusts them as well or not. Probably he will remain silent because lovesmayfamilis is from his local board and we know LoyceV's weight. There is no reason to distrust them unless he does it solely for his own purposes.

He adds tildes to those who simply removed him from the list and did not give him tildes. It seems that the rage is already boiling without limit. I can also say that I removed him from my list over a year ago, and his response was immediate. Maybe this is normal, but the fact that he puts tildes simply out of a sense of revenge on users shows once again how unrestrained his nature is.
I'll follow LoyceV's example and do the same~

In principle I had seen that in this retaliation Ratimov had not excluded me but I think he did it indirectly, including in his trust list Igebotz, who is currently the only DT1 that distrusts me.


I think that if he excludes you in retaliation he will quite likely trigger more distrusts from DT, so I am sure he will think about it a lot.

You're right, I hadn't realized that and it doesn't seem like a good move. It could still be worse, though, if he was active in this discussion with insults and such.

Anyway, unless something else happens I see it unlikely that he will fall out of the DT1 lottery, as I think most of those who still trust him will continue to do so if everything stays the same.

Well, instead of apologizing for what happened and trying to improve instead, the result is quite clear that there's no intention to admit / improve anything. 
Sad to see but it really looks like everyone did the right thing by going for the distrust here.
How could someone show better, that he didn't learn anything or even didn't want to learn anything?
Sometimes hope for betterment is wasted.

I think it would be ok to remove the thread if he requested theymos to un-merit-source him... which I don't think he did, given that we've had 109 sources with 33940 smerits for a while now and I doubt that he was replaced with an equivalent merit source. Anyway, this is neither here nor there. Sending or receiving merits is not evidence of anything, particularly when a merit source needs to dump 500+ merits every month... trust me, I know

Seeing that not just one person thinks the same, I'll take count about that and I'll try to refrain myself even more. Thank you for opening my eyes!

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This is exactly Ratimov at his best. For those which did not pay attention this is exactly what he did for all the years since he got his position of power. Perhaps more DT users will see this and will take action about these constant abuses.


Furthermore, he acted precisely the same way the other DT users acted. For example, bullrun2020bro and CryptopreneurBrainboss only stopped trusting him and he did the same -- he deleted them from his Trust list. The other ones added him to their distrust list and he proceeded the same with The Pharmacist, 1miau, iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2, suchmoon, Learn Bitcoin and holydarkness.

There are 2 inconsistencies though: he added light_warrior to his distrust list, although this user did not distrust him, only stopped trusting him. And he did not distrust Foxpup too. Perhaps he was in frenzy and could not act very thoroughly. /s

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Yes, this is Ratimov's style. I tried to explain this in OP with various words:

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At same time, for those which missed this, be aware that, among the dozens of topics he deleted he included also his Merit Source application.


This is how much this user appreciates the topic which helped him, in part, to obtain all the power he managed to achieve.

While it's not forbidden to delete a topic containing a Merit Source application, I consider it a sign of disrespect for the forum and for the user himself. Based on that topic Ratimov earned a ton of sMerit, which he used to feed his army of minions. Then he deletes his application, making a mockery from his Merit Source statute. There is no other Merit Source which did that.

Now he is speaking without saying a word 
It's like don't dare to talk against me, else you will be fucked by me. I assume this isn't a smart move from Ratimov. He could have handled this situation in a better way than how it's going now. The mass thread deleting had a bad impact on Ratimov and this mass modification of his trust list shows he does not really care about using the system accordingly. This is natural human behavior, to be honest. But I believe smart people learn from their mistakes.

That's retaliation possibly.
The problem is that most of the users use the custom trust list to get themselves into DT and get more strength in terms of inclusion while the custom trust list should be used for personal benefits like- utilizing when we trade here, when it comes to trust someone with fund.

If it means something, I have this impression too. I would agree with Poker Player's statement, that it is bad to criticize the insult by insulting.


Well, he doesn't play cards well. He may not be active in this discussion, but he again resorted to revenge moves and everyone who excluded or distrusted him on the trust list, retaliated in kind.
So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list.