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liife threw a tempest at you? be a coconut !
October 03, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
have you seen the life jacket swimming pool sketch on bitchute?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/LHepYTdR6ABR/

it's fun how covid jab and life jackets have paralels in this clip, such muscles... woot woot...

funny guy btw.

@o_e_l_e_o

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor.

Not to be offensive but your an idiot.

a good tell sign is his 3 liners : "man/woman/whatever" (note the pc scholarly approved shit) or "reading, anaylsing and thinking" or "your boss, your tv, your politican"... those are fucking drones, of course they can fool each others, but 2 sec in the real market, and they are gone and exposed Smiley.

again, back to basics : where are the frontlines? I don't know who is this guy, but I heard he is very called upon across a stadium all over the usa... a ceratin : fuck biden? do you know who is this mr fuck? very well known apparently... maybe he knows, or even, fucks a certain jen? heheheh.

You and @Hueristic are cracking me up Smiley Never thought people could be so lost/dumb/sad to not actually pay attention to what's written, but instead to HOW. Wow, aren't you some linguistic expert... You're hopeless/angry/rude and probably have personality issues and overcompensate. The one wishes me bad things, the other insults me using bad language. And we don't even know each other Smiley You must be so damanged. I am here to make a discussion with @ICENI_Spartacus and not with you Smiley

the wall isn't a gay meeting...
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October 03, 2021, 05:28:19 PM
@o_e_l_e_o

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor. And do you know why? Because this anonymous man/woman/whatever is actually trying to connect the dots like... logically.

So when you have a broken leg or appendicitis you get a random "man/woman/whatever" to fix you up instead of a real doctor?

This must be the stupidest thing I've read on the intertubes today. Well, at least in the last hour. I hope you're just trolling.
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October 03, 2021, 04:58:26 PM
@o_e_l_e_o

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor.

Not to be offensive but your an idiot.

a good tell sign is his 3 liners : "man/woman/whatever" (note the pc scholarly approved shit) or "reading, anaylsing and thinking" or "your boss, your tv, your politican"... those are fucking drones, of course they can fool each others, but 2 sec in the real market, and they are gone and exposed Smiley.

again, back to basics : where are the frontlines? I don't know who is this guy, but I heard he is very called upon across a stadium all over the usa... a ceratin : fuck biden? do you know who is this mr fuck? very well known apparently... maybe he knows, or even, fucks a certain jen? heheheh.
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October 03, 2021, 04:48:37 PM
@o_e_l_e_o

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor.

Not to be offensive but your an idiot.
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October 03, 2021, 04:22:25 PM
@o_e_l_e_o

Not to be offensive, but at this point I'd rather trust ICENI_Spartacus on everything medical although I'm sure he's no doctor and you're actually a real doctor. And do you know why? Because this anonymous man/woman/whatever is actually trying to connect the dots like... logically. For both the virus and the international situation. Taking all conspiracy theories away, ICENI_Spartacus is reading, anaylsing and thinking - exactly what should be done. And what are you doing dear doctors? Listening for orders from "above" - your boss, your tv, your politican. You're not doing the analysing, you're not doing the thinking. You MAY be doing the reading, but only from the sources that your boss, your tv or your politican gives you. And this is truly sad. Being outsmarted by a nobody after wasting so many years and money in the med school? I have one advice for you - stop being static, sleepy and obedient. Start using your prefrontal cortex as a real human  being. Stop being cocky "I'm a doctor so I know" - no you don't. Anybody (or a nobody) can read medicine books, literature, spend the time you spent and gain the information you've gained. Not everybody are doing it, but some are. In the age of internet and information and cheap coffee you only need curiousity and free time. The difference? Those people who aquire ANY knowledge by NECESSITY (like ICENI_Spartacus) are the people who are most likely to use it properly. Because there is zero influence from a boss above etc. You (and your colleagues) may be fired from your hospital if you start thinking the "wrong" way and that's why you've had your railways set up and your cozy place promised - to get your salary and do what they tell you to do and think. This situation doesn't exist for the others. So again... with all due respect - don't even think you may have any authority here because you're a doctor or work in a hospital. Your authority will come after we read some thoughts, questions, hurdles, riddles from your posts... show that you're a THINKING man. Now just a man who thinks that if he doesn't know something then others who told him know. Doctors (most) nowadays have become simply just a messengers to the agenda. And even if this is not true, even if COVID is not a wild conspiracy you've already shown that you can be easily put on railways and made to follow agendas without you daring asking questions. Viva free people, free world and free knowledge.

the back up of oeleo... Law Enforcement Offcier... so you shit your pants at the fbi about the culling? or it's cheyenne mountain? as we say at PLA... we will win.

edit ; you really have to be so infused of yourself to write so badly... split the text.

edit : spaces and back to the line don't cost on a pc...

edit : those are completly sick Smiley.
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October 03, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
If there are so many patients, why are the sample sizes so small? If our hospitals are flooded with dying people, as you say, then why can't they enroll more than a handful at a time? Surely, there should be a surfeit of people who could participate in these trials.
I can't speak for other centers, but in my center pretty much everyone is in a trial. Can't have a patient in two trials at once since your results would be meaningless. Far better to enroll people in to a big trial of a substance which had encouraging results in small trials than a substance which had negative results in small trials.



Antivirals pretty much don't work unless they're taken as post-exposure or pre-exposure prophylaxis.
Earlier treatment is obviously better, but there is still evidence for remdesivir once the patient is admitted to hospital, otherwise we wouldn't be using it.

These patients need early, proactive interventions to prevent them from progressing to sepsis.
Like vaccination.



It is difficult to warn people about a virus and its properties when the fundamental knowledge is so lacking. I do indeed blame the government and the rapidly declining quality of public education for that. People are wearing scientific ignorance as a badge of pride, because science has become so politicized. It shouldn't be. Knowledge is power, and science is merely a means of obtaining knowledge.
QFT.



The government guidelines should be for people to stay active, stay healthy, diet correctly, and lower their BMI if they're overweight or obese. This would, in the long run, save many lives, because the evidence for COVID-19 causing greater mortality in people with a higher body-mass index (likely due to pre-existing endothelial dysfunction) is overwhelming.
Pretty much every government does tell people to do that, and it would save many lives from cancer, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc., not just COVID. Figure out a way to convince people to do it and collect your Nobel Prize.



Given that the IFR of COVID-19 is relatively low in absolute terms, not even near to approaching the lethality of something like Smallpox (which people lived with day in, day out, without any economic disruptions whatsoever, despite the gruesome toll in lives it took every year), the lockdowns and the strange behavior of our governments makes no sense unless there is an ulterior motive.
Because smallpox had existed for centuries and many people were already immune due to either variolation or childhood vaccines. COVID came out of nowhere and there was no pre-existing immunity. An unjust comparison.



Furthermore, it is entirely possible for mRNA to be integrated into one's genome by endogenous reverse transcription.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/
I'll skip over all your mind control nonsense to address this. You've just linked a study which says "This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication." Once again, you are making a great argument for getting vaccinated and avoiding all these potential complications of COVID infections.



Speaking to more esoteric meta issues, can you speculate on the possible negative consequences to going through the infection process, surviving, acquiring the natural antibodies, and appearing to make a full recovery such that you can resume life?
Take your pick: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95565-8

Such fun long term symptoms to choose from include fatigue, headaches, memory impairment, attention disorders, chest pain, breathlessness, hearing loss, joint pains, palpitations, depression, sleep apnea, psychiatric disorders, digestive problems, the list goes on.
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October 03, 2021, 03:02:32 PM
By all hells watch this : Dr. Carrie Madej joined Stew Peters today and appeared obviously shook by what she had seen after examining Moderna and J&J "vaccine" vials.
4:30 https://www.brighteon.com/aa151644-a720-4842-8116-c016ffc64c58

omfg... self assembling structures... so for the BCI it would work to reach the 2mm length... at 60ghz what's the minimal length of the antenna? and would it be possible without even using self replication/assembling antenna to just use the own body as an antenna? I mean to use bones or structures in the corpse as length amplifier to achieve reception of commands?

now pics...

ommmmggggg..... alien covenant / life ///// end of time / give me my crysis suit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW

edit that's what she fucking saw at 400x zoom (because muppets say magnification and fuck muppets).



self assembling antenna

and now... omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg... save us ! death come (aka salvation with death)



it's beyond words...

I have watched the video. She's coming off quite authentic, until the point where she said that "nothing has been added... no human tissue... ", she started to support her creative (right) hemisphere of the brain by looking to the left very often, particularly when which she talks detailed about what she examined was happening.
As a long time poker player, i can tell you that she's almost certainly making a lot of things up. If you don't believe me, i don't have the time to convince you, sry.

Now, the facts: Some proteins are used, so they would certainly de-naturate under the warm light of the microscope. Just split an egg over a pot of boiling water. No videos of the "tentacles" moving were shown, only stills. The Dr. lady is also an Osteopath, google that.
She already brought out some other fake finding, which was debunked already.

Just my three cents

She is not the first or only one to see all kind of ufo's in the vaccine
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58014559
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October 03, 2021, 02:54:04 PM
By all hells watch this : Dr. Carrie Madej joined Stew Peters today and appeared obviously shook by what she had seen after examining Moderna and J&J "vaccine" vials.
4:30 https://www.brighteon.com/aa151644-a720-4842-8116-c016ffc64c58

omfg... self assembling structures... so for the BCI it would work to reach the 2mm length... at 60ghz what's the minimal length of the antenna? and would it be possible without even using self replication/assembling antenna to just use the own body as an antenna? I mean to use bones or structures in the corpse as length amplifier to achieve reception of commands?

now pics...

ommmmggggg..... alien covenant / life ///// end of time / give me my crysis suit NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW

edit that's what she fucking saw at 400x zoom (because muppets say magnification and fuck muppets).



self assembling antenna

and now... omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg... save us ! death come (aka salvation with death)



it's beyond words...

I have watched the video. She's coming off quite authentic, until the point where she said that "nothing has been added... no human tissue... ", she started to support her creative (right) hemisphere of the brain by looking to the left very often, particularly when which she talks detailed about what she examined was happening.
As a long time poker player, i can tell you that she's almost certainly making a lot of things up. If you don't believe me, i don't have the time to convince you, sry.

Now, the facts: Some proteins are used, so they would certainly de-naturate under the warm light of the microscope. Just split an egg over a pot of boiling water. No videos of the "tentacles" moving were shown, only stills. The Dr. lady is also an Osteopath, google that.
She already brought out some other fake finding, which was debunked already.

Just my three cents
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October 03, 2021, 02:43:16 PM
So I was hoping that this thread would show up on search engines searching “Spartacus letter”, but it does not..

What's the point? Anyone who knows about "Spartacus letter" probably knows where to find it, and also the fact check article that you mention actually has a link to the letter. What you really want is SEO for "covid conspiracy" or "vaccine mind control" or whatever it is you're trying to do with this letter.
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October 03, 2021, 02:27:42 PM
So I was hoping that this thread would show up on search engines searching “Spartacus letter”, but it does not..

Google.. Sigh..
Google has one real hit leading to a fact checker calling it false.. All other results are not applicable..

Bing and duck pull up many articles about it, but no links to this thread..

How do we fix that?
Cross post links to this thread to other forums and such?

I am no SEO expert..
Y’all that know what your doing should make this shit trend/go “viral”.. heh
Post it on Twitter and Reddit or whatever

You can't fix google, it is broken by design. However, even a broken google is 1000 times better than duckduckgo and my current default engine is duckduckgo, and yet, I still use google occasionally because fucking dumb duck just don't fetch the results I really need.
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October 03, 2021, 02:20:52 PM
So I was hoping that this thread would show up on search engines searching “Spartacus letter”, but it does not..

Google.. Sigh..
Google has one real hit leading to a fact checker calling it false.. All other results are not applicable..

Bing and duck pull up many articles about it, but no links to this thread..

How do we fix that?
Cross post links to this thread to other forums and such?

I am no SEO expert..
Y’all that know what your doing should make this shit trend/go “viral”.. heh
Post it on Twitter and Reddit or whatever
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October 03, 2021, 01:13:34 PM
@Spartacus

Speaking to more esoteric meta issues, can you speculate on the possible negative consequences to going through the infection process, surviving, acquiring the natural antibodies, and appearing to make a full recovery such that you can resume life?

Specifically, is humanity effectively long-term fucked because of the COVID-19 virus, irrespective of natural immunity, or is the larger meta concern that of the unknowns with the mRNA/Spike Protein affecting human biology, overall?

Also, in all seriousness, my partner has recently retired, and would like to know how he can help contribute to your efforts. He has a particular set of skills...
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October 03, 2021, 12:33:34 PM
ICENI_Spartacus first let me say - thank you for existing. I imagine it must be very hard and tiring especially psychologically to go all in against the powers, against the narrative, and against the everyday normal people that you're trying to save but they don't realise it and attack you (kinda reacting like our own immune systems when they've been cheated and modified by the virus)... collecting information piece by piece like a bee and knowing you will get no reward or recognition even if you succeed in saving us - you're a special person driven by duty and thank God there are people like you. To stay sane and carefully analyse this weird horrific puzzle and to try and make sense out of it. Please don't stop. Even if you are on a wrong path sometimes - don't ever quit or take it as a discouragement as I believe you will eventually get your eureca moment and crack this all and for once. You are important as you have many of the events in your head, and many of the public information since COVID's emergence and in case this public info goes missing online (which is actually happening gradually and with time) - you will still be able to connect the dotts once you gather enough info or logical proof for what's happening. It doesn't matter if you're 1 person or a huge team - this Spartacus letter approach is working and getting to people so you're doing something - very right.

After seeing what the powers-that-be are doing to people, I decided that resistance was a matter of principles. It doesn't matter what happens to me. Not really. So long as the people who did this to us are made to suffer for it, their reputations dragged through the mud, and so long as these patients start getting treatments that actually work, all is well.

Saying all this I want to ask you the following, if you allow me:

- What's your option on China and their vaccines? Why did China choose to go to the inactivated variant of a vaccine? For me - this is very interesting. US also has been working on inactivated virus vaccine which most definitely won't be used for the masses (perhaps only those high importance will take it). Is China really trying to protect their population from COVID which might have essentially been planned and executed as a bioweapon against them and against the rest of the world (killing China and enslaving the rest of the world). Perhaps they didn't expect China to close down so aggressively and to stop the COVID spread and come up with a vaccine to save themselves. If China were in cahoots with the planners why would they release it on themselves and why would they go the inactivated vaccine route which is less technological (they don't have mRNA technology) and perhaps... actually effective? From my perspective even if China did release the virus themselves to the world they still need to protect themselves with a working vaccine, so both situations require them to come up with a real vaccine... Otherwise why not just use mRNA like everybody else? Geopolitically if this is a war between Anglo-Saxons/NATO against the rest of the world (undeveloped nations who catch up economically and will want their share on global stage) then it makes some sense to look at it at this angle. There is no doubt about the ambitions of some people who want the One World Government but is this truly possible and achievable taking in mind there are also other people (Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping) wanting control of their own countries just as bad. Those people are as megalomaniacal as well - let's not forget that. As much as powerful and rich people align in philosophy - they don't like to share the bone they're holding. And if Macron, Boris Johnson, Biden, Ursula and others of this kind are perceived as tyrants or people of great power nowadays - they've climbed the power ladder rather easily by bending knee in front of their masters and aren't the true masters. So it's expected that they will just follow the agendas and the orders. But this can't be said about Putin, Maduro, Duterte, Xi Jinping etc. Their power ladder was climbed in a totally different way. Do any of us know just how many people has Maduro killed to get on top? Those people have truly earned their power. And to think they will just hand it down to Anglo-Saxons/NATO/ or... Schwab. Just because they have the same hunger to oppress people... well they already do this. If anything - democracies are scary because they allow free speech. And Venezuela, Russia, China aren't quite the democracies and never actually were even close to that. So what is your geopolitical stance and your China vaccine stance? What happens in the body when Sinovac or Sinopharm is used? What does the inactivated COVID do? I think we can pretty much disregard vaccine side effects as a proof of bad intentions as if you think logically... if their intention is to control populations by the vaccine, then the COVID itself will be the population reduction mechanism and the vaccine side effects are just... vaccine side effects (also why would they scare population by side effects like it's happening now... they want the population to actually take it... I think they just screwed up "Windows BSOD" style...) because all vaccines have them - side effects, especially the non-tested ones, and the rushed ones to the market. Also what is your proposed treatment/prevention protocol for coagulopathy?

I know that whole SARS vaccines have not worked well in the past. They induced immune sensitization.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

Consider this: why are China vaccinating old people last? The highest-risk group?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3127484/china-moves-elderly-further-covid-19-vaccine-queue

China has a demographic problem. A big one. Too many old people, and too many men. The one-child policy really screwed them up. They want more kids to man the factories, and less old people straining the safety nets.

US/NATO vs China/Russia is a giant red herring. The mere fact that the virus was created in a Chinese lab with funding from our own NIH, DTRA, and USAID shows this to be the case. What's actually happening is that the Human Cattle Ranchers (the HCRs, if you will) are playing kingmaker, trying to select some country other than the United States to be the head of the New World Order. The way they are accomplishing this is by the controlled demolition of the entire Anglosphere.

WWIII is presently happening. It is not a war between world powers. That's a distraction. The HCRs do not believe in nation-states; the idea of politics being a team sport with nations as the teams is an illusion for the little people. There is only one single, global, extractive enterprise, which all nations play a part in. This war consists of biowarfare and information warfare waged by governments against their own citizens, to stem the tide of overpopulation and prevent resource wars in the future. The combatants are not wearing uniforms and we are not being paid a salary to fight. In other words, we are being expected to react to psyops by volunteering our valuable time.

600,000 deaths in a year, most of them older people on the verge of death anyway, with many comorbidites, is not something that you would notice unless the media is blasting it in your ears 24/7. Would you know about the millions who have died each and every year for the past several decades of preventable illnesses if they didn't tell you? No. In China, where they have a demographic crisis and too many old people to take care of them, there could be millions of elderly dying right now, and there's no way for you to know if they've suppressed the figures or not.

The HCRs don't want to pay people's pensions. They want you to wageslave and then die. They want young, fresh, able-bodied meat for that purpose. That's what this is ultimately about. All of the people who you think of as enemies? The likes of Putin, Biden, Xi Jinping, Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison, and Justin Trudeau? These people all shake hands and laugh at you behind closed doors. They are actively contemptuous of all of us, and scheming of ways to thin the herd and rebalance demographics on behalf of their true masters. Everything else you're seeing is theater.

The coagulopathy of COVID-19 is brought on by the release of von Willebrand factor and the formation of antiphospholipid antibodies, among other things. This is due to oxidative stress in the blood vessels accompanied by EC activation and sloughing. To put it in layman's terms, all the caulking is falling off the inside of these people's blood vessels, leading to pulmonary angioedema and sepsis. The clots are from the body desperately trying to patch the holes back up. In the case of COVID-19, it's not so much "clotting", like one or two or a dozen large clots, as it is the entire bloodstream thickening and becoming syrup. This process is resistant to blood thinners like heparin and tPA, and going too far with those can cause fatal hemorrhages.

I'd say that the key thing is to restore endothelial health and prevent EC activation as much as possible. Tocilizumab and infliximab can reduce IL-6 and TNF-a, but preventing the activation of the transcription factors that make those in the first place could be helpful.

APPA, or Apocynin and Paeonol, is being investigated as a drug formulation for osteoarthritis.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32383062/

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Neutrophils are key players in the pathophysiological process underlying inflammatory conditions not only by release of tissue-damaging cytotoxic enzymes, reactive oxygen species (ROS) but also by secretion of important immunomodulatory chemokines and cytokines. Here, we report the effects of the novel agent APPA, undergoing formal clinical development for treatment of osteoarthritis, and its constituent components, apocynin (AP) and paeonol (PA) on a number of neutrophil functions, including effects on TNFα- expression and signalling. Neutrophils were treated with APPA (10-1000 µg/mL) prior to the measurement of cell functions, including ROS production, chemotaxis, apoptosis and surface receptor expression. Expression levels of several key genes and proteins were measured after incubation with APPA and the chromatin re-modelling agent, R848. APPA did not significantly affect phagocytosis, bacterial killing or expression of surface receptors, while chemotactic migration was affected only at the highest concentrations. However, APPA down-regulated neutrophil degranulation and ROS levels, and decreased the formation of neutrophil extracellular traps. APPA also decreased cytokine-stimulated gene expression, inhibiting both TNFα- and GM-CSF-induced cell signalling. APPA was as effective as infliximab in down-regulating chemokine and IL-6 expression following incubation with R848. Whilst APPA does not interfere with neutrophil host defence against infections, it does inhibit neutrophil degranulation, and cytokine-driven signalling pathways (e.g. autocrine signalling and NF-κB activation), processes that are associated with inflammation. These observations may explain the mechanisms by which APPA exerts anti-inflammatory effects and suggests a potential therapeutic role in inflammatory diseases in which neutrophils and TNFα signalling are important in pathology, such as rheumatoid arthritis.

Apocynin is found in kutki powder (ground-up picrorhiza kurroa root), and paeonol comes from peony root bark (p. suffruticosa).

Normally, I would not suggest herbal medicine for a virus as nasty as SARS-CoV-2, but there are many benefits of plant polyphenols in dealing with oxidative stress, and the triggers of inflammatory cytokines are often set off by oxidative processes interacting with the MAPK pathway, and, well, what we're really talking about here is acute inflammation that mimics rheumatic diseases, but occurs primarily in the vasculature.

Given that APPA shows the potential to reduce ROS release from neutrophils and prevent IL-6 and TNF-a release, and also given that COVID-19 involves a great deal of neutrophil degranulation/NETosis, oxidative stress, and IL-6 and TNF-a release, the science behind this is entirely logical. Granted, the concentrations found in plant roots are much, much lower than what you'd get if they isolated and purified them.
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October 03, 2021, 11:05:33 AM
A number of possibilities. Could be that they are still writing up the data, but since these trials you linked are generally very small numbers of patients (<100), it shouldn't take them long to analyze. Could be that they failed somewhere along the way with recruitment, or administrating the intervention, or maintaining the blindedness, etc. Could be that their results were negative and so they just gave up and didn't bother to write them up.

That's another thing. There are many scattershot, low-quality, underpowered studies that are recruiting like 20 people to test a drug, and 20 people for the control group.

If there are so many patients, why are the sample sizes so small? If our hospitals are flooded with dying people, as you say, then why can't they enroll more than a handful at a time? Surely, there should be a surfeit of people who could participate in these trials.

Something here does not add up.

If you get as far as the hospital with COVID then you'll get all the treatments we have good evidence for which I outlined above - dexamethasone, remdesivir, tocilizumab, NIV - all with the aim to prevent intubation.

Antivirals pretty much don't work unless they're taken as post-exposure or pre-exposure prophylaxis. This can be shown by examining the clinical course of the virus.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/963/htm

https://curriculum.covidstudentresponse.org/module-1-from-bench-to-bedside/management-of-covid-19

At the onset of the ARDS/pro-inflammatory phase, the viral load has actually reached a nadir in most patients. There is no virus left to prevent the replication of.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/01/31/remdesivir-covid-coronavirus/?sh=aaaa7bd66c27

I hate having to repeat myself, but many, many studies cited by the media as proof of the ineffectiveness of antivirals were studies that recruited severely ill, hospitalized people. Oxford's RECOVERY study, for instance. That was pretty much people who had already reached day 10 post-exposure and were already suffering from hyperinflammation. Remdesivir does nothing, aside from putting additional strain on the liver, with a virus that already causes abnormal AST/ALT readings. That's a contraindication.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32702162/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33947196/

The treatment of COVID-19 patients is time-sensitive. These patients need early, proactive interventions to prevent them from progressing to sepsis.

Tell that to your fellow anti-vaxxers. They are the ones perpetuating this nonsense.

Many of them are believers of Antoine Béchamp who think that germ theory is actually wrong and viruses do not cause disease. It is difficult to warn people about a virus and its properties when the fundamental knowledge is so lacking. I do indeed blame the government and the rapidly declining quality of public education for that. People are wearing scientific ignorance as a badge of pride, because science has become so politicized. It shouldn't be. Knowledge is power, and science is merely a means of obtaining knowledge.

I hold both the worship of science and the hatred of science in equal contempt. The left trying to turn PhDs into clergymen is as appalling as the right rejecting science entirely. It doesn't matter if someone is right-wing or left-wing or whatever. They need to know that science is a valuable tool available to all, and it should not be perceived merely as an avenue of propaganda.

Granted, institutional science is becoming increasingly corrupted by special interests with questionable agendas, and science publishers are some of the most corrupt sons of bitches around. However, that doesn't reflect poorly on science as a concept. It reflects poorly on our institutions.

We give out plenty of information, barn door irrefutable information, and still some people deny it. People look at the death rates and falsely claim they are being inflated, as you just pointed out. People deny that hospitals are full, when we've literally taken over entire floors to turn them to expanded ICUs. People don't even think COVID is real, despite it being isolated hundreds of thousands of times and killing millions. Explaining the intricacies of COVID pneumonia or multi-organ failure isn't going to change the mind of these people. Indeed, as evidenced by this very thread, if you try to do so you get simply get insulted and told to go die.

COVID-19 can, in many circumstances, be a lethal, SARS-like disease with some rather extraordinary complications. It can also lead to disturbing sequelae, like ME/CFS, pulmonary fibrosis, and neurological issues. I don't doubt that at all. In fact, I encourage anyone who is still on the fence about COVID-19's pathology to do their own investigations and go over the primary sources to the best of their ability.

One of the best starting points is to approach the virus as a vascular endotheliitis that causes severe oxidative stress and iron metabolism dysregulation, leading to sepsis and lipid peroxidation in the pulmonary vasculature.

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/41/32/3038/5901158#208335511

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757048/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41420-020-00369-w

Lipid peroxidation - the oxidation or "bleaching" of fats in the body - is nasty process. See the following:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3075542/

COVID-19 patients have noticeable ferroptosis signatures in their tissues, Anti-PL and Anti-CL antibodies, high serum nitrotyrosine, and low nitric oxide bioavailability. All of these things point to the same thing; a pathological state dominated by extreme oxidative stress.

Once lipid hydroperoxides begin to form, they recursively increase inflammation by triggering pattern recognition receptors and attracting autoantibodies. They take forever to detoxify, too, so if you're going to try and dose people with antioxidants, NADPH oxidase inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, Vitamin D, selenium, NAC, Nrf2 activators, whatever, it has to be early. Very early on. Before the disease has progressed to hyperinflammation.

However, as I said before, I doubt there is a magic pill that prevents this. The key thing is for blood vessel physiology to be improved by a healthy lifestyle. The government guidelines should be for people to stay active, stay healthy, diet correctly, and lower their BMI if they're overweight or obese. This would, in the long run, save many lives, because the evidence for COVID-19 causing greater mortality in people with a higher body-mass index (likely due to pre-existing endothelial dysfunction) is overwhelming.

What are they doing instead? They're forcing people to stay indoors. Encouraging them to become fat and sedentary and sun-deprived. All of these things make COVID-19 measurably worse.

That scientist in Pittsburgh who was killed in a murder-suicide was an expert in iron metabolism and redox biology.

Bing Liu Knew.

Absolutely. And feeding them provable lies about how our single greatest weapon in the fight against COVID is gene therapy or mind control or nanotech or any other nonsense is the root of a lot of that fear.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, seen a vaccination campaign involving threats of martial law and firings for noncompliance. Given that the IFR of COVID-19 is relatively low in absolute terms, not even near to approaching the lethality of something like Smallpox (which people lived with day in, day out, without any economic disruptions whatsoever, despite the gruesome toll in lives it took every year), the lockdowns and the strange behavior of our governments makes no sense unless there is an ulterior motive.

Despite being morally abominable, mind control and depopulation are perfectly sensible motives. They "fit" neatly in the hole left behind by the absence of other explanations.

The thing about super high-frequency RF is that RF in the tens of GHz is stopped in the skin, and in the THz range, it's stopped by atmosphere. That's how the Raytheon ADS maser works; water molecules in the skin rapidly heat and produce a burning sensation.

There are, however, ways of getting tiny nanoparticles to receive lower frequencies than normal. One is plasmonic subwavelength waveguides.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijo/2012/258013/

http://ham.seas.harvard.edu/upload/papers/2012/ultra.pdf

The frequencies received by these are still too high.

Another, simpler way is self-assembling materials (i.e. electrostatic attraction, hydrophilic-hydrophobic attraction and repulsion, etc.) that make larger antennas in the body that can receive longer wavelengths.

https://www.orwell.city/2021/06/graphene-oxide-in-vaccination-vials.html

https://odysee.com/@Evolutionary_Life_Video_Archive:3/germanvaxxnanoparticlecovid19:b

People have the wrong idea about mind control. This isn't something as sophisticated as remote-piloting someone's limbs from afar, like in the movies. It's far more crude than that. If you had the ability to remotely stimulate the reward center of the brain, like they do with DBS electrodes on alcoholics, you could profoundly affect mood. The results, on a societal scale, would be undeniable.

For the Human Cattle Ranchers, there is a motive; ending populism and nativism, of course. Why would they do this? Simple. It would depress wages and put more money in their pockets if working-class people were cybernetically pacified to the point of emotionally accepting their status as serfs and giving up any ambitions of climbing any higher than that. It would also be great for the environment. Someone who is perpetually satisfied by a neural implant has no need of rich food or a vacation to Cancun, or other luxuries. That makes their carbon footprint smaller. It also makes them less desirous of sexual intercourse, which helps with overpopulation and tamps down on people's dissatisfaction with their inability to buy houses and start families.

The result? Instead of the default state of man in first-world countries being someone who demands a 3500+ square foot McMansion and a three-car garage, you now have a man who will happily live in a sub-50-square-foot prison cell eating locusts and mealworms for breakfast and then going to work and being berated by their boss while sitting in a cubicle and responding to memos for very little pay. He would never even consider rebellion against this state of affairs. He has been pushed off the hedonism treadmill and onto the floor.

So many effects, and all you have to do is pump fake reward into someone's reward center. Primitive, crude, and most of all, effective.

And, of course, if the vaccine does turn out to be a lethal depopulation kill shot in the long-term, such pacification would be absolutely necessary to keep people from rising up when they see their friends and neighbors become infertile and/or die from the effects.

You insist that the vaccine is beneficial and will reduce morbidity and mortality in the long run. Initially, in the short-term, this may have been true. However, newer data paints a bleak picture.

https://dreddymd.com/2021/10/02/ai-powered-dod-data-analysis-program-project-salus-shows-ade-accelerating-fully-vaccinated/

https://www.brighteon.com/c3c52dd7-7db9-4e1c-b386-58b9a6c97f5b

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/09/14/pfizer-27x-symptomatic-covid-break-through-natural-immunity.html

The breakthrough infections are getting worse and worse. How long before these antibodies flip to being non-neutralizing, and ADE (and with it, higher viral loads, greater rates of hospitalization, and higher morbidity) rears its ugly head?

The clock is ticking.

It is neither experimental nor gene therapy.

The Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines are the first-ever products to use mRNA technology, and they were adopted under accelerated trials. In Moderna's case, it's their first-ever commercial product. That should be considered a major red flag, however, the media and politicians are pushing vaccination as the way to end the pandemic. Except COVID-19 cannot be stopped. It is endemic, and it has animal reservoirs. You can't vaccinate it away any more than you can vaccinate away the flu or the common cold. They are being highly disingenuous, pushing medical countermeasures on people who don't want them.

Furthermore, it is entirely possible for mRNA to be integrated into one's genome by endogenous reverse transcription.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/

If, for some reason, the vaccine mRNA does become integrated into the host genome, that is a gene delivery system. That is, gene therapy.
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October 03, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
It is neither experimental nor gene therapy.

Could you please point me to long-term clinical studies?

I mean, what else do you call a nanoparticle changing the way proteins are expressed, if not a gene therapy, because I'll tell you hwat - that ain't no vakseen I ever herd of...

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October 03, 2021, 09:46:26 AM
It is neither experimental nor gene therapy.
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October 03, 2021, 09:04:05 AM
We give out plenty of information, barn door irrefutable information, and still some people deny it.

Plenty of logical fallacies, pharmaceutical market-grade gaslighting, and uninformed consent, too.

"We want you to get the experimental gene therapy because we care about you."

It's terrifyingly dystopian.
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October 03, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
They guy is a dope.  He thinks that nobody can figure out that a variety of antenna designs work well even being less than a wavelength in size.  Else an AM radio would have to be 300 meters long.

Corresponding full, 1/2 or 1/4 wavelenghts (1/4 wavelenghts is over 50 years old, what can be done this days?)

Right, we're injected with a bunch of loop antennas Roll Eyes

How about you two stop dicking around and show us the design of the nano antenna that definitely exists in the vaccine and can extract usable amounts of power from the 5G waves at 100m+ from the transmitter inside a building and inside someone's skull (assuming the subject is not wearing at tinfoil hat).


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October 03, 2021, 08:47:54 AM
Well, you're absolutely right. Something that seems promising in vitro is not always useful in vivo. A drug that works great on a cell culture may never even reach the cells in question when applied to a living body, which is basically a giant maze.

However, that's not what I meant. Look at those links I posted again. Many trials have failed to post any results at all, even over a year after their completion. Not positive, not negative. Nothing. No data. That's so frustrating to see.
A number of possibilities. Could be that they are still writing up the data, but since these trials you linked are generally very small numbers of patients (<100), it shouldn't take them long to analyze. Could be that they failed somewhere along the way with recruitment, or administrating the intervention, or maintaining the blindedness, etc. Could be that their results were negative and so they just gave up and didn't bother to write them up.

Isn't there anything that can be done in terms of surveillance and early treatment before they become critically hypoxic?
Vaccination.

If you get as far as the hospital with COVID then you'll get all the treatments we have good evidence for which I outlined above - dexamethasone, remdesivir, tocilizumab, NIV - all with the aim to prevent intubation.

I have seen so many instances where people go over the topic of COVID-19 death certificates, hear that a PE, stroke, or myocardial infarction killed someone who was sick with COVID-19, and then angrily grumble something about how hospitals are inflating COVID-19 numbers by designating deaths from infarcts as COVID deaths.
Tell that to your fellow anti-vaxxers. They are the ones perpetuating this nonsense.

I know they're trying to prevent a panic, but at this stage, more information is better. It has to be.
We give out plenty of information, barn door irrefutable information, and still some people deny it. People look at the death rates and falsely claim they are being inflated, as you just pointed out. People deny that hospitals are full, when we've literally taken over entire floors to turn them to expanded ICUs. People don't even think COVID is real, despite it being isolated hundreds of thousands of times and killing millions. Explaining the intricacies of COVID pneumonia or multi-organ failure isn't going to change the mind of these people. Indeed, as evidenced by this very thread, if you try to do so you get simply get insulted and told to go die. Roll Eyes

Lots and lots of people are very scared.
Absolutely. And feeding them provable lies about how our single greatest weapon in the fight against COVID is gene therapy or mind control or nanotech or any other nonsense is the root of a lot of that fear.
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October 03, 2021, 08:38:40 AM
I don't watch movies, TV, Radio, or broadcast media in real-time.  But that's just me.

Allegories are insightful to any sentient species, but that's just me.
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