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legendary
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October 01, 2021, 11:17:14 PM
#92
Micronutrient deficiency is endemic throughout the developed world. Given that 40% of Americans are Vitamin D deficient, some critically so (this gets worse the darker your skin is, with as many as 60% of Hispanics and 80% of African-Americans being Vitamin D deficient), there's no way that one Vitamin D pill a day could hurt. It could only help. Vitamin D helps lower anxiety, too.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1760

Personally, I recommend raising one's levels of Vitamins A, B, C, D, E, and dietary nitrate, and taking NAC, selenium, quercetin, resveratrol, and curcumin, but avoiding hypervitaminosis, which can cause fatigue. The best and most bioavailable sources of vitamins are foodstuffs, not pills.

The best thing for one's blood vessels is to just eat a damn salad instead of hyper-processed, hyper-palatable crap loaded with sugar. Fish for Vitamin D, kale, beets, celery, cabbage, spinach, and kimchi for dietary nitrate, brazil nuts for selenium, garlic for cysteine, and maybe some turmeric-spiced chicken.

You know, a lot of people say that the flu season peaks in the winter time because people are inside and have less vitamin D. Of course, it's only speculation because the links between vitamin supplementation and a healthy immune system are correlative, but perhaps maybe not causal.

A lot of the problem with the Covid studies, including the one you linked, is the small sample size. The control and test group had less than <20 subjects in this study. And then the problem arises about the efficacy of vitamin supplementation on severe Covid infection. Hypothetically, if people supplemented vitamins before infection, their outcome perhaps would be better. Maybe there are studies that might examine vitamin supplementation among a cohort of people that have not been infected yet and follows them throughout a period to determine how many of the supplemented group get a severe Covid infection, versus the control. But for that to happen, you'd need to control for previous infection (and do an antibody titer test) and vaccination status. A bit hard when almost everyone in the first world has either previously been infected or vaxxed.

seriously go die... you speak about control and  test group, and what about those of the mrna ? okay... hop, on the kill list. (FYI the control group have been wiped, and no there wasn't even a short term study on the effect, short or long term of those mrna...).

next...

so mr spartacus...

you speak a lot about oxidative stress in your letter (understand I am a noob and have no intention nor time to skill in this domain) and my question, as question more is important : what about 5g ? I have seen or remember to have seen some stuff about oxydative stress from ionizing, gate transfer, what ever... in short bad. (point 1)

and point 2 : I heard that with all wireless tech introductions, big pandemics ensue, the whole dna/rna shedding warning theory on living organism... to resay it calmly the theory goes that once exposed to wireless non ionizing radiation, livings warn other and shed. do you have an opinion?

and back to the terro above : you fucking muppet : germ theory vs terrain theory... and no it's not all dna, as dna effectively only codes proteins (go Mike, soon FTL to beyond this world Cheesy).

And before your mRNA ranting, did you consider for a moment I had not once mentioned mRNA vaccines, that I was strictly talking about nutritional studies. You might be surprised to learn that the study I was referring to is lined directly in the reply and that the paper makes no point on vaccination. Safe to stay, any reference to Covid will hasten the knee jerk reaction to the evil "mRNA vaccines," even when nobody mentions it.
sr. member
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October 01, 2021, 10:19:23 PM
#91
Micronutrient deficiency is endemic throughout the developed world. Given that 40% of Americans are Vitamin D deficient, some critically so (this gets worse the darker your skin is, with as many as 60% of Hispanics and 80% of African-Americans being Vitamin D deficient), there's no way that one Vitamin D pill a day could hurt. It could only help. Vitamin D helps lower anxiety, too.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1760

Personally, I recommend raising one's levels of Vitamins A, B, C, D, E, and dietary nitrate, and taking NAC, selenium, quercetin, resveratrol, and curcumin, but avoiding hypervitaminosis, which can cause fatigue. The best and most bioavailable sources of vitamins are foodstuffs, not pills.

The best thing for one's blood vessels is to just eat a damn salad instead of hyper-processed, hyper-palatable crap loaded with sugar. Fish for Vitamin D, kale, beets, celery, cabbage, spinach, and kimchi for dietary nitrate, brazil nuts for selenium, garlic for cysteine, and maybe some turmeric-spiced chicken.

You know, a lot of people say that the flu season peaks in the winter time because people are inside and have less vitamin D. Of course, it's only speculation because the links between vitamin supplementation and a healthy immune system are correlative, but perhaps maybe not causal.

A lot of the problem with the Covid studies, including the one you linked, is the small sample size. The control and test group had less than <20 subjects in this study. And then the problem arises about the efficacy of vitamin supplementation on severe Covid infection. Hypothetically, if people supplemented vitamins before infection, their outcome perhaps would be better. Maybe there are studies that might examine vitamin supplementation among a cohort of people that have not been infected yet and follows them throughout a period to determine how many of the supplemented group get a severe Covid infection, versus the control. But for that to happen, you'd need to control for previous infection (and do an antibody titer test) and vaccination status. A bit hard when almost everyone in the first world has either previously been infected or vaxxed.

seriously go die... you speak about control and  test group, and what about those of the mrna ? okay... hop, on the kill list. (FYI the control group have been wiped, and no there wasn't even a short term study on the effect, short or long term of those mrna...).

next...

so mr spartacus...

you speak a lot about oxidative stress in your letter (understand I am a noob and have no intention nor time to skill in this domain) and my question, as question more is important : what about 5g ? I have seen or remember to have seen some stuff about oxydative stress from ionizing, gate transfer, what ever... in short bad. (point 1)

and point 2 : I heard that with all wireless tech introductions, big pandemics ensue, the whole dna/rna shedding warning theory on living organism... to resay it calmly the theory goes that once exposed to wireless non ionizing radiation, livings warn other and shed. do you have an opinion?

and back to the terro above : you fucking muppet : germ theory vs terrain theory... and no it's not all dna, as dna effectively only codes proteins (go Mike, soon FTL to beyond this world Cheesy).
legendary
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October 01, 2021, 09:31:12 PM
#90
Micronutrient deficiency is endemic throughout the developed world. Given that 40% of Americans are Vitamin D deficient, some critically so (this gets worse the darker your skin is, with as many as 60% of Hispanics and 80% of African-Americans being Vitamin D deficient), there's no way that one Vitamin D pill a day could hurt. It could only help. Vitamin D helps lower anxiety, too.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1760

Personally, I recommend raising one's levels of Vitamins A, B, C, D, E, and dietary nitrate, and taking NAC, selenium, quercetin, resveratrol, and curcumin, but avoiding hypervitaminosis, which can cause fatigue. The best and most bioavailable sources of vitamins are foodstuffs, not pills.

The best thing for one's blood vessels is to just eat a damn salad instead of hyper-processed, hyper-palatable crap loaded with sugar. Fish for Vitamin D, kale, beets, celery, cabbage, spinach, and kimchi for dietary nitrate, brazil nuts for selenium, garlic for cysteine, and maybe some turmeric-spiced chicken.

You know, a lot of people say that the flu season peaks in the winter time because people are inside and have less vitamin D. Of course, it's only speculation because the links between vitamin supplementation and a healthy immune system are correlative, but perhaps maybe not causal.

A lot of the problem with the Covid studies, including the one you linked, is the small sample size. The control and test group had less than <20 subjects in this study. And then the problem arises about the efficacy of vitamin supplementation on severe Covid infection. Hypothetically, if people supplemented vitamins before infection, their outcome perhaps would be better. Maybe there are studies that might examine vitamin supplementation among a cohort of people that have not been infected yet and follows them throughout a period to determine how many of the supplemented group get a severe Covid infection, versus the control. But for that to happen, you'd need to control for previous infection (and do an antibody titer test) and vaccination status. A bit hard when almost everyone in the first world has either previously been infected or vaxxed.
sr. member
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October 01, 2021, 08:45:00 PM
#89

You said there was no proof that mind-controlling nanoparticles existed. I showed you that not only do they exist, and not only did James Giordano give presentations about them before an entire class of stunned cadets at West Point, they are described explicitly in publicly-available materials.

Not only that, DARPA, DTRA, and vaccine researchers are intimately connected both to brain-computer interface research, and to GOF research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The degrees of separation here are minuscule. When plotted out on a node graph, they would all cluster together. David Martin and M-CAM showed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that GOF SARS strains and their features are basically patented products.

That's not a conspiracy theory. That is a RICO case the size of Mount Everest. It is also mass murder and treason.

So. what's next? I liked dr. zelenko today, specially the politics as an industry, like pharma, medias etc (I missed 2 on 5) and his concept that only few people could control the five necessary to achieve it (add intelligence and military).

as said MMICIMAT or something like that from mcgovern or what ever was the name of this traitor Smiley.

What do you wanna bet the Human Cattle Ranchers kept the real cure for themselves, and left us all to die?

again... terminology can be funny, diversion on cbd, anal, what ever.

imho the first step is to identify the few, if any, people who didn't fall in this covid/pedo/aristo/satanist trap.

only the talibans come to my mind, and to a certain extend PRC.

Russia? no therapeutics! (the jab pivot was angering to watch on RT).
USA? a sex slave farm ruled by aristo pedo feudalist satanists!
Western Europe? Sweden?
Africa? who cares, where is the water bro...
MENA? vaxx them all nazi style.
Asia ex china? Japan?

so...

isn't there a song of Britney spears? "They did it again" or is it only hit me one more time?

and then we have trolls like alex jones, jail... lol.

ps you have betrayed your dod background with your natural food Smiley. you are right, problem is that we are on depleted farm land, depleted because of the way it's farmed...

I deviate, but SO2 or CO2...

and I liked it when zelenko, jewish dr originally from ukraine, who lost 40 relative in the 100k+ bloodbath in some forest/ravine, that bill gates was a combined of hitler and staline... okay... fine... words...

so... and I don't mean s1o1...

The nigerians have the good question (beyond getting their own water themselves with rain collection) : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-do-a-country-start-all-over-happy-ish-independence-5363416

ps2 I am sorry to be a little bit crude, and in no way deny the biological expertise... but yeah... they tried to kill us, denied us treatments, lied to us, raped kids, looted us, free fall pancake building on us, etc...

in short : when enough enough?

and ps3, they can't with their chips take your soul... Smiley ! that's when it start to be interesting...

for those a little bit slow, machine captures your soul, machine isn't eternal, your soul protected by god, machine becomes enemy of god... remember you have eternity, they don't Smiley, and so time become null and no, you won't want to know what happen to them. it's over, moving on, let it go... breath, breath with god Smiley. forget the rest... curiosity about the fallen a sin? (for those even slower, your cybernetically nano captured biological matter will have decayed long ago, was it ever yours in the first place)?



to be clear, when do FBI directors children heads start to pop?
newbie
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October 01, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
#88
@Spartacus

I have seen some literature about how Nicotine stops other things from bonding to ACE receptors and that it could be a good counter to Covid..
Would you have any comments about that?

What about alcohol? As in recreational alcohol consumption.. What if any effect could you see that having on a Covid infection?


I am curious because I personally went through having Covid just a couple months ago, and I smoke, and I drink more than most people I suppose..
When I caught Covid I did not stop smoking or even smoke less, I took a Bayer aspirin a few times a day (thought it might help against heart troubles, and general soreness), and I bought a couple gallons of Merlot wine to quarantine with..

I smoked as usual and basically drank the wine all day every day in quarantine..
I had a headache for a day and body aches for about 2-3 days, and felt like I didn’t have a lot of energy for a couple days after that..
I also lost my taste and smell for about a week which then gradually came back..

I caught Covid along with 4-5 other coworkers at the same time of exposure..
I had the LEAST severe case out of all of us..
Some younger than me, some older, some in better shape (non-smoker/younger/non-drinker), some in worse shape (fatter)..
I had the least severe case of all..

Could it have had to do with me sipping wine and smoking the whole time? Nicotine and wine antioxidants?
Idk..

Btw we all caught it from someone who had both doses of the Pfizer vax, and he had almost no symptoms..
Ok so maybe he had less symptoms than me, but he was basically an unknowing spreader, who infected almost our entire crew..
I personally know well that vaccinated people can run around spreading Covid and no paper in the world will convince me otherwise..


Am I just super lucky and have good (French/German) genetics, or did I do something right?


Btw gave merits to both of you because I am enjoying your conversation..
A good debate is best to bring out truth, thanks both of you..
(Though I will remain skeptical that both of you could be paid shills, can’t trust anything these days)

There were some papers that indicated that smoking might be protective against COVID-19. This was based on an observation, early on, that smokers were underrepresented in severe COVID-19 cases in China, a country with a lot of dudes who smoke.

They wrote a paper on it that speculated that it was the nicotine:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7436654/

However, cigarette smoke itself also contains nitric oxide, and upregulates NOS expression, essentially acting as pulsed inhaled nitric oxide therapy:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10462035/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12215243/

See also:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276137/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117664/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7754882/

There are other ways to raise systemic nitric oxide, like the enterosalivary dietary nitrate pathway, where intake of foods high in dietary nitrates (leafy greens and beets and the like) increases endothelial nitric oxide release.

The body cannot stockpile NO. It's a dissolved gas, and it's produced and consumed in pretty much the same instant, with a half-life of around 2 to 6 seconds. If something is preventing it from being produced (i.e. eNOS uncoupling due to peroxynitrite), you run out of NO very, very quickly.

Raising systemic nitric oxide levels actually makes it harder for SARS-like viruses to infect cells. In order for SARS-CoV-2 Spike to fuse with ACE2, it has to undergo a processing step called palmitoylation where fatty acids are attached to it. Nitric oxide cockblocks this. This is why fat, diabetic, hypertensive, old, and/or black people suffer from COVID-19 the worst. Their intrinsic endothelial dysfunction causes a shift in the redox equilibrium of their blood vessels, leaving them with less nitric oxide to go around.

You might have seen a bunch of shit-stirring articles going on about African-Americans suffering more severe COVID-19 because of "systemic inequality" in access to healthcare. This is bullshit. The disparity remains when you correct for wealth. It's the lower nitric oxide levels that come with endothelial dysfunction that's killing them.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15159296/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86023

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/clinical-study-begins-for-the-first-oral-systemic-nitric-oxide-based-therapeutic-for-african-americans-with-covid-19/

@Spartacus

Are you aware of any possible health benefits conferred by 200-400mg doses of CBD, daily, used as an anti-inflammatory?

I take a daily dosage within that range to successfully treat inflammation in a permanent, post-operative ligament injury, with success, and I experienced zero respiratory issues to speak of, during my infection.

Furthermore, I understand that high doses of CBD are speculated to work in preventing beta-amyloid plaque buildups in the brain.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cbd-reduces-plaque-improves-cognition-in-early-onset-alzheimers/
https://www.studyfinds.org/cbd-plaque-brain-alzheimers/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210309192548.htm

Can you speak to any possible benefits in mitigating COVID-19 infection damage, by ingesting clinically significant dosages of CBD?

I am aware of entire studies that point to the possible benefits of CBD, in fact.

https://www.aging-us.com/article/202500/text

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7907157/
legendary
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October 01, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
#87
@Spartacus

Are you aware of any possible health benefits conferred by 200-400mg doses of CBD, daily, used as an anti-inflammatory, with regard to COVID-19 infections?

I take a daily dosage within that range to successfully mitigate inflammation in a permanent, post-operative ligament injury, and I experienced zero respiratory issues to speak of, during my infection. (Did not have the experimental gene therapy injections)

Furthermore, I understand that high doses of CBD are speculated to work in preventing beta-amyloid plaque buildups in the brain.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cbd-reduces-plaque-improves-cognition-in-early-onset-alzheimers/
https://www.studyfinds.org/cbd-plaque-brain-alzheimers/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210309192548.htm

Can you speak to any possible benefits in mitigating COVID-19 infection damage, by ingesting clinically significant dosages of CBD?

I was suddenly thinking about the possibility of an anal way to get infected.
The virus may never be able to get to the lungs. Did you experience symptoms located above throat level?
Not joking.

I should really sleep now...
legendary
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October 01, 2021, 07:05:42 PM
#86
@Spartacus

I have seen some literature about how Nicotine stops other things from bonding to ACE receptors and that it could be a good counter to Covid..
Would you have any comments about that?

What about alcohol? As in recreational alcohol consumption.. What if any effect could you see that having on a Covid infection?

Just read this after the-last-piss-good-night.
What i know about alcohol is that it is reducing viral load in tissues. If you drink regularly, it might well be very effective.
Low viral load means less work for the immune system. If it also reacts quickly, there's a good chance of getting only light symptoms.
Maybe your co-workers got a higher initial virus load than you, bad luck for them.

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(Though I will remain skeptical that both of you could be paid shills, can’t trust anything these days)

Better save than sorry.
legendary
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October 01, 2021, 06:57:32 PM
#85
@Spartacus

Are you aware of any possible health benefits conferred by 200-400mg doses of CBD, daily, used as an anti-inflammatory, with regard to COVID-19 infections?

I take a daily dosage within that range to successfully mitigate inflammation in a permanent, post-operative ligament injury, and I experienced zero respiratory issues to speak of, during my infection. (Did not have the experimental gene therapy injections)

Furthermore, I understand that high doses of CBD are speculated to work in preventing beta-amyloid plaque buildups in the brain.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cbd-reduces-plaque-improves-cognition-in-early-onset-alzheimers/
https://www.studyfinds.org/cbd-plaque-brain-alzheimers/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210309192548.htm

Can you speak to any possible benefits in mitigating COVID-19 infection damage, by ingesting clinically significant dosages of CBD?
legendary
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October 01, 2021, 06:44:35 PM
#84
@Spartacus

I have seen some literature about how Nicotine stops other things from bonding to ACE receptors and that it could be a good counter to Covid..
Would you have any comments about that?

What about alcohol? As in recreational alcohol consumption.. What if any effect could you see that having on a Covid infection?


I am curious because I personally went through having Covid just a couple months ago, and I smoke, and I drink more than most people I suppose..
When I caught Covid I did not stop smoking or even smoke less, I took a Bayer aspirin a few times a day (thought it might help against heart troubles, and general soreness), and I bought a couple gallons of Merlot wine to quarantine with..

I smoked as usual and basically drank the wine all day every day in quarantine..
I had a headache for a day and body aches for about 2-3 days, and felt like I didn’t have a lot of energy for a couple days after that..
I also lost my taste and smell for about a week which then gradually came back..

I caught Covid along with 4-5 other coworkers at the same time of exposure..
I had the LEAST severe case out of all of us..
Some younger than me, some older, some in better shape (non-smoker/younger/non-drinker), some in worse shape (fatter)..
I had the least severe case of all..

Could it have had to do with me sipping wine and smoking the whole time? Nicotine and wine antioxidants?
Idk..

Btw we all caught it from someone who had both doses of the Pfizer vax, and he had almost no symptoms..
Ok so maybe he had less symptoms than me, but he was basically an unknowing spreader, who infected almost our entire crew..
I personally know well that vaccinated people can run around spreading Covid and no paper in the world will convince me otherwise..


Am I just super lucky and have good (French/German) genetics, or did I do something right?


Btw gave merits to both of you because I am enjoying your conversation..
A good debate is best to bring out truth, thanks both of you..
(Though I will remain skeptical that both of you could be paid shills, can’t trust anything these days)
newbie
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October 01, 2021, 06:07:35 PM
#83
The vaccines can be modified to target the Delta variant. Billions of people get yearly flu shots, which are modified every year, without any adverse effects.

That is true. But then again, SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu. It is an incredibly nasty betacoronavirus, every part of which is injurious to the human body, especially the Spike protein, which is responsible for many - but not all - of its pathogenic processes.

This next section you have written includes a lot of speculation. Yes, we know COVID causes sepsis. Yes, we know that sepsis create a lot of reactive oxygen species and free radicals. So we speculate that treating with anti-oxidants would help. But every reputable large study (as I linked to in my previous post) we have on this issue has shown no benefit with antioxidant treatments.

What I don't get is why we aren't seeing any results for many of these antioxidant trials.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04570254

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04323228

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04377789

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04880109

No data posted on the outcomes at all. APX-115 was pushed as a potential treatment early on, but then, we heard nothing.

https://us.acrofan.com/detail.php?number=266790

NAC seemed promising early on, but then, they stopped pursuing it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7649937/

This study showed a benefit for oral antioxidant use:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8160844/

There are papers that unironically suggest using curcumin - that is, turmeric pills - as Nrf2 antioxidant pathway activators to improve endogenous antioxidant activity.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.669362/full

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33099890/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33352565/

Some studies have suggested, I kid you not, beet juice. I recommend reading this one from start to finish, since it echoes many of the concerns I've had:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8340570/

Obviously I agree that people should stay fit and healthy, and if you want to take a vitamin C supplement, then knock yourself out. But we have no evidence that it (or other antioxidants) are an effective treatment for critically ill patients.

Micronutrient deficiency is endemic throughout the developed world. Given that 40% of Americans are Vitamin D deficient, some critically so (this gets worse the darker your skin is, with as many as 60% of Hispanics and 80% of African-Americans being Vitamin D deficient), there's no way that one Vitamin D pill a day could hurt. It could only help. Vitamin D helps lower anxiety, too.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1760

Personally, I recommend raising one's levels of Vitamins A, B, C, D, E, and dietary nitrate, and taking NAC, selenium, quercetin, resveratrol, and curcumin, but avoiding hypervitaminosis, which can cause fatigue. The best and most bioavailable sources of vitamins are foodstuffs, not pills.

The best thing for one's blood vessels is to just eat a damn salad instead of hyper-processed, hyper-palatable crap loaded with sugar. Fish for Vitamin D, kale, beets, celery, cabbage, spinach, and kimchi for dietary nitrate, brazil nuts for selenium, garlic for cysteine, and maybe some turmeric-spiced chicken.

Not everything has to be a depressing pill. We'd all be a lot better off if we made the personal choice to take the colorful snack food boxes filled with pressed, baked grains dusted with salt and paprika and throw them in the trash and start eating real food and exercising right. People would be living longer, healthier lives. 1,200,000+ people died of cancer and heart disease last year in the US, many of them preventable cases, but you don't hear about that in the news, do you?

I'm not denying the cycle of NETosis, hypochlorous acid, and heme destruction. And I'm also not denying the existence of VALI/VILI, which is well described in the literature. But you also made the following two statements:

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Make no mistake, intubation will kill people who have COVID-19.
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Pumping O2 into the lungs does not make RBCs chemically incapable of carrying O2 somehow magically capable of carrying it.

Yes this cycle happens, but not to such a degree that there is no functioning hemoglobin and that intubation and ventilation will not save the life of a critically hypoxic patient. To claim otherwise is dangerously wrong.

88% of the people intubated in New York died.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200422/most-covid-19-patients-placed-on-ventilators-died-new-york-study-shows#1

During that outbreak, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell vocally expressed concerns that they were using the wrong treatment.

https://z3news.com/w/dr-cameron-kylesidell-treating-wrong-disease-change/

Another study shows that 45% of patients intubated are dying.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7781141/

Granted, this is an intervention that is mostly reserved for critical cases that would otherwise have a fatal outcome. I recognize that. However, there has to be some manner of adjunct therapy that can protect the tissues from damage. Suctioning these people, having tons of blood and goo come out of them periodically, and then going right back to pumping air into their abused lungs, that cannot be good for lung physiology.

COVID-19 is an endotheliitis. It inflames small capillaries in the pulmonary alveoli and makes them more vulnerable to mechanical stretching. Also, at the same time, it causes coagulopathy, because endothelial cells are sloughing off and exposing the basement membrane and there's a lot of release of clotting factors due to all the inflammation. So, when they start pumping these people up with blood thinners, they're balancing anticoagulation with hemorrhage. I heard of one rather horrific case of a teenage hispanic male in NY who died of intestinal hemorrhage because they kept pumping him up with heparin, but when they stopped heparin, he started clotting up again. Yes, that's a thing that actually happens with this virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7446989/

I don't deny that COVID-19 is real, or that it can be deadly. A lot of people who are against the vaccine don't even think COVID-19 is real at all. They think it's a rebranded flu, or that it has never been isolated and sequenced, or that people with heart attacks and strokes are being relabeled COVID-19 deaths, without realizing that this virus can unironically cause people's D-dimer to shoot up to 20,000 ng/ml and turn their blood into syrup, especially if they're old or have had prior clotting disorders.

None of these papers describe a flu. What they describe is something maddening in its complexity and multifarious in its manifestations.

What frustrates me is the lack of mainstream media coverage of the deeper complexities of COVID-19's pathology. They haven't cleared anything up at all. There are articles here and there that give an accurate enough picture, but they're easily missed. Every talking head is still presenting COVID-19 as an airborne pneumonia and not an airborne blood vessel disease, almost two years into this.

We do this already. Everyone who comes through the door gets dexamethasone and remdesivir pretty much immediately. If they require HFNO or NIV they also get tocilizumab. Intubation is always a last resort. You can see national treatment guidelines here:

Why do I keep hearing about symptomatic people being sent home, and then coming back in severe or critical condition, then?

A good friend of mine died on one of those ventilators. I hadn't seen him in a few years and I was hoping to meet up with him. This is kind of personal for me, and I may have gotten a little heated up.

The meta-analysis I linked in my previous post (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n949) examined ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as both pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis, and found no evidence of efficacy for either drug.

Why do I keep seeing studies showing a benefit, then?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7886121/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8417612/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8405705/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34375047/

I'm not entirely sure what points you are trying to make with your section regarding the vaccine (even ignoring your obvious conspiracy nonsense at the bottom). If you are worried about the vaccine producing the S1 subunits, then what do you think happens with an active COVID infection? If you are worried about the spike protein itself, then why would you not want to avoid the cascade of it you would get with a COVID infection, which is several orders of magnitude higher than what you would get with a vaccine? I mean, the quote that you shared even specifically says "post-infection of COVID-19 includes a myriad of neurologic symptoms including neurodegeneration". Why would you not want to avoid this by taking the vaccine?

Yes. You are correct. The protein is also harmful when the virus produces it in the body, and a lot of people who recovered from seemingly mild cases of COVID-19 may go on to have premature neurodegenerative disease as part of the nasty, SARS-like sequelae it inflicts. But try telling people that.

There was something that, as yet, I have not mentioned in my letter, but will likely make it into the next draft. There has been a reliable antidote to all of this, all along. One that doesn't involve having mRNA that codes for SARS-CoV-2 Spike, a pathogenic protein, injected into the body. It's called DRACO and it was funded by DARPA about a decade ago. They were looking for a means of inoculating soldiers against pandemic bioweapons. Any bioweapon. Even one that had never been seen before. An antivirus so effective, it may as well be called a universal vaccine.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0022572

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO6I00ZQcMI

DRACO, or Double-Stranded RNA Activated Caspase Oligomerizer, is a recombinant fusion protein that consists of a protein with a domain that hunts for viral double-stranded RNA bound end-to-end with a protein with an apoptosis-inducing domain, with HIV TAT added to allow it to slip right in past cell membranes. When injected into a living creature, the DRACOs enter basically all of their cells. If the protein detects no viral dsRNA in a cell, it does nothing and is non-toxic. If it encounters some, multiple DRACOs start binding to it, and then procaspases bind and crosslink on their exposed ends.

It's basically a little protein limpet mine that forces all infected cells in the body to self-destruct. It's non-toxic to healthy cells and persists in the body for about a week.

After DARPA funded the project for a while, the inventor demonstrated that it worked very well in mice (see that paper above), but then, all the funding dried up. Poof. Dr. Rider's Templeton Foundation grant fell through in a reorganization, and he resorted to basically begging for money on Indiegogo. An absolutely bizarre end for a concept that showed efficacy both in vitro in cell cultures, and in vivo in lab mice, and which was hailed as a discovery as important as Penicillin in popsci mags around ten years ago.

What do you wanna bet the Human Cattle Ranchers kept the real cure for themselves, and left us all to die?
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Bob, this is not the place, nor the time, so kindly fuck off with the off-topicness.

Dude.
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October 01, 2021, 04:38:11 PM
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I don’t impose my opinion to others, so I don’t like it if they do.

Muahahaha! Had a good laugh  Grin Grin Grin  Guys, just browse this troll's post history, he's so full of shit...  Cool

Try your best, you’re only confirming my thesis, that you’re - amongst others - a systemic shill.



Well said! This guy has no right to call anybody pussies well, apart from actual pussies i.e. female genitalia  Grin

I must have really hurt you, talking to your buddy mindrust, right ivonm?



Bob, this is not the place, nor the time, so kindly fuck off with the off-topicness.
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October 01, 2021, 04:24:55 PM
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 That thread is for the hat gang,
So why bring it here. It has nothig to do here, stay in your encavement.

Is this you, mate?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58073106



* BobLawblaw starts unzipping his pants

* BobLawblaw reconsiders, and hits the ignore button instead
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October 01, 2021, 04:24:26 PM
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pussies

 Excuse me, ser, but do you have any self awareness?

 Like, even just a smidge?

 That thread is for the hat gang, WO regulars, and other folk that are capable of sexually pleasuring themselves by their own hand.

 Unlike you, with wrists so fucking weak, you dump all your bags in a panic, at the lowest point in 3 (?) years, and haven't shown your face in the WO thread since in shame.

 Go and sodomize yourself with a length of rusted pipe you fucking loser.

 Have fun staying poor.

Well said! This guy has no right to call anybody pussies well, apart from actual pussies i.e. female genitalia  Grin
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October 01, 2021, 04:17:04 PM
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I don’t impose my opinion to others, so I don’t like it if they do.

Muahahaha! Had a good laugh  Grin Grin Grin  Guys, just browse this troll's post history, he's so full of shit...  Cool
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October 01, 2021, 04:02:41 PM
#77
I will quote individual sentences or paragraphs, but I am responding to each section of your reply.

SARS-CoV-2 has non-human reservoirs and is now endemic. It will never go away. Period. It cannot be eradicated by vaccination, and anyone telling you it can be straight-up eradicated like smallpox with a high level of vaccination is lying. The current agenda of boosters will lead, inevitably, to bi-yearly shots, because the vaccine antibodies are waning within 6 months.
The vaccines can be modified to target the Delta variant. Billions of people get yearly flu shots, which are modified every year, without any adverse effects.



It has previously been suggested that antioxidants are useful for treating sepsis, because sepsis involves the over-activity of pro-oxidant enzymes that the body uses to fight infection.
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It is entirely possible that COVID-19 hyperinflammation is, much like Keshan disease, a disease of low antioxidant capacity (redox equilibrium issues in the body due to chronic oxidative stress, i.e., endothelial dysfunction) that can be counteracted by raising levels of antioxidant substrates, such as selenium, glutathione, et cetera.
This next section you have written includes a lot of speculation. Yes, we know COVID causes sepsis. Yes, we know that sepsis creates a lot of reactive oxygen species and free radicals. So we speculate that treating with antioxidants would help. But every reputable large study (as I linked to in my previous post) we have on this issue has shown no benefit with antioxidant treatments.

Obviously I agree that people should stay fit and healthy, and if you want to take a vitamin C supplement, then knock yourself out. But we have no evidence that it (or other antioxidants) are an effective treatment for critically ill patients.



It's not conclusive proof of therapeutic effect, but it does point towards a fresh avenue of study.
This section is again more speculation, but at least you are acknowledging it. As and when human studies come out which say that these treatments are effective, then I will gladly consider using them, but I'm not going to randomly experiment on people on the basis of a study based on rodent gastric cells.



I said, in the letter, that it was a catch-22, because you need oxygen to live. Intubation does increase oxygenation, but also causes VILI-like damage and additional oxidative stress alongside that.
I'm not denying the cycle of NETosis, hypochlorous acid, and heme destruction. And I'm also not denying the existence of VALI/VILI, which is well described in the literature. But you also made the following two statements:

Early and proactive use of antioxidants, steroids, and non-invasive ventilation would likely render intubation pointless.
We do this already. Everyone who comes through the door gets dexamethasone and remdesivir pretty much immediately. If they require HFNO or NIV they also get tocilizumab. Intubation is always a last resort. You can see national treatment guidelines here: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/hospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/



These studies virtually all enroll people who have COVID-19 hyperinflammation, have been symptomatic for around a week or more, and have been hospitalized.
The meta-analysis I linked in my previous post (https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n949) examined ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine as both pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis, and found no evidence of efficacy for either drug.



I'm not entirely sure what points you are trying to make with your section regarding the vaccine (even ignoring your obvious conspiracy nonsense at the bottom). If you are worried about the vaccine producing the S1 subunits, then what do you think happens with an active COVID infection? If you are worried about the spike protein itself, then why would you not want to avoid the cascade of it you would get with a COVID infection, which is several orders of magnitude higher than what you would get with a vaccine? I mean, the quote that you shared even specifically says "post-infection of COVID-19 includes a myriad of neurologic symptoms including neurodegeneration". Why would you not want to avoid this by taking the vaccine?
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If my data are cherry picked, then where are all the data showing that vaccines don't work?

SARS-CoV-2 has non-human reservoirs and is now endemic. It will never go away. Period. It cannot be eradicated by vaccination, and anyone telling you it can be straight-up eradicated like smallpox with a high level of vaccination is lying. The current agenda of boosters will lead, inevitably, to bi-yearly shots, because the vaccine antibodies are waning within 6 months.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/waning-immunity-and-covid-19-vaccines-how-worried-should-we-be

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/23/lets_stop_pretending_about_the_covid-19_vaccines_791050.html

The rate of breakthrough cases is much, much higher than we are being told, because public health agencies are engaging in deliberately lax surveillance for them to make the vaccine appear more effective than it really is.

https://fee.org/articles/what-is-the-true-vaccine-breakthrough-rate-the-cdc-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-19-cases-united-states-almost-all-among-people-unvaccinated/

There is a preprint paper indicating that current SARS-CoV-2 strains are about to completely escape antibodies produced by these vaccines, and that the antibodies may even become non-neutralizing and infection-enhancing:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1

Shi Zhengli's own work indicates that betacoronaviruses such as SARS and MERS may have Dengue-like ADE:

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.02015-19

I tried raising the alarm on this back in February of 2020 and it went mostly ignored.

Vaccines failing due to inducing immune sensitization has a historical precedent in the recent past. Sanofi's Dengvaxia vaccine failed because it triggered enhanced disease.

https://jeffreydachmd.com/2021/08/director-of-cdc-rochelle-walensky-warns-of-ade-antibody-dependent-enhancement-from-israel-data/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8427162/

The MATH+ protocol is written by a scan organization, provides no data to support their recommendations, and is headed by individuals with vested interests in the fake treatments they recommend. Looking at the treatments they and you are suggesting:

Vitamin C:
There are no controlled trials that have definitively demonstrated a clinical benefit for vitamin C in critically ill patients with COVID-19, and the available observational data are inconclusive.

People with COVID-19 hyperinflammation are suffering from a form of sepsis.

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/expert-severe-covid-19-illness-viral-sepsis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34590796/

It has previously been suggested that antioxidants are useful for treating sepsis, because sepsis involves the over-activity of pro-oxidant enzymes that the body uses to fight infection.

https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Abstract/2007/09001/Antioxidant_supplementation_in_sepsis_and_systemic.25.aspx

It is entirely possible that COVID-19 hyperinflammation is, much like Keshan disease, a disease of low antioxidant capacity (redox equilibrium issues in the body due to chronic oxidative stress, i.e., endothelial dysfunction) that can be counteracted by raising levels of antioxidant substrates, such as selenium, glutathione, et cetera.

Many people who died of COVID-19 had issues pointing towards low antioxidant capacity. Low Vitamin D, low glutathione, low selenium, and so on.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7385774/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7937041/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32463221/

This points to an inescapable conclusion; COVID-19 causes death by aggressive lipid peroxidation brought on by sepsis.

Though antioxidants seem like a logical counter to this (in South Korea, they tested the NADPH oxidase inhibitor APX-115 against the virus), there is no guarantee that they will have bioavailability to the affected cells. I'm not completely gung-ho about it; I understand that there are serious challenges involved here, and that what looks promising on paper may not always improve a patient's condition.

People are hunting for a magic bullet for COVID-19, but no such magic bullet exists. In my opinion, the best prophylaxis against COVID-19 is a balanced, micronutrient-rich diet, strenuous exercise, and maintaining a healthy BMI, because this induces physiological changes in the vasculature that make them more resilient (it raises nitric oxide levels and antioxidant capacity and reduces oxidative stress). This is reflected by evidence. COVID-19's severity is GREATLY enhanced with increasing body mass index.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1262363620300975?via%3Dihub

This isn't just a get-healthy-quick pill. It's a lifestyle change. It's also why I recommend against lockdowns, and perhaps for more aggressive distancing (as in 15+ feet) to compensate. A good, solid crosswind will blow any aerosols away, and UV from direct sunlight will degrade and destroy the virions. The greatest risk of transmission is mostly indoors, in tightly-packed rooms with stagnant air.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7673425/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8305330/

People should be outdoors, they should be jogging and biking, and they should be maintaining a high activity level. Becoming sedentary makes COVID-19 infections way, way worse. It turns the blood vessels into a buffet table for the virus.

Fluvoxamine:
No evidence. Biggest ongoing trial to date (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04668950) has just reported "No treatment effect" on early results.

That's disappointing, if true. I have been in contact with pharmacology experts who claimed anecdotal evidence for fluvoxamine improving patients' conditions, but there do have to be well-designed clinical trials to show whether or not it has any benefit. There are many plausible mechanisms by which fluvoxamine may improve a patient's condition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8094534/

Budesonide does have some evidence, but it is inferior to IV dexamethasone which we have been using for all our inpatients for months.

Again, disappointing. Also, a little odd, given how promising it seemed before.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33844996/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8310374/

The links in your original letter consider these drugs in the context of rodent peptic ulcers, among other things. Hardly applicable to humans with COVID.

Not necessarily true. Those papers describe a mechanism. While I would never argue that rodent gastric cells are the same thing as human airway or vascular epithelial or endothelial cells, there are many features that are homogenous between different eukaryotic cell lines, and an effect demonstrated in one type of cell might also be applicable to another. It's not conclusive proof of therapeutic effect, but it does point towards a fresh avenue of study.

The problem I have is that these drugs aren't really being studied as aggressively as they should be. There should be more trials of antioxidants, not just one or two here and there. They keep pushing antivirals that don't seem to work on hyperinflammatory COVID-19, when, at the very least, antioxidants have a plausible therapeutic mechanism. You'll never know if you never look.

I don't think any one drug will treat this on its own, but perhaps a cocktail of these may provide a marginal benefit. The trouble is that hyperinflammatory COVID-19 is a real son of a bitch.

There's some truth in this, but not to degree you state. If there was enough hypochlorous acid to destroy hemoglobin to such a degree, why do we not see a severe hyperchloremic acidosis?

See the following:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7757048/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222650/

This would be a logical result of neutrophilia and NETosis in COVID-19. Let's review the papers on that for a moment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8376580/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221249262030052X

Okay, so there are lots of NETs around. More than macrophages can reasonably be expected to clean up in a reasonable time frame. So, there is going to be a lot of extracellular myeloperoxidase lying around, making hypochlorous acid from hydrogen peroxide and chloride ions.

This would, necessarily, lead to the liberation of iron and tons of Fenton reagent lying around.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33974898/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7836924/

Though metabolic and respiratory alkalosis are more common, some critically-ill COVID-19 patients who died did indeed have severe acidosis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236721/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33103442/

COVID-19 causes glucose and lipid-handling issues, as well.

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1009243

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33043283/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7570435/

The metabolic shifts are rather profound.

Why do we not see profound anemia due to hemoglobin destruction?

Decreased serum hemoglobin and increased serum ferritin have been found in COVID-19:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7753740/

https://casereports.bmj.com/content/13/12/e238118

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10654-020-00678-5

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7267810/

Why does intubation and proning make the SpO2 go from 70% to 95%? Why does it make the PaO2 go from 60 mm Hg to 120 mm Hg?

Trying to claim that intubation and ventilation is actively killing people is just plain incorrect.

I said, in the letter, that it was a catch-22, because you need oxygen to live. Intubation does increase oxygenation, but also causes VILI-like damage and additional oxidative stress alongside that.

It's not just a blood problem. The blood-air barrier itself and gas exchange across it are also compromised due to the endothelial injury itself:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/21688370.2021.1937013?journalCode=ktib20

ARDS/Acute Lung Injury involves a great deal of neutrophilia in the pulmonary vasculature and oxidative damage to the tissues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6801694/

OK, so show me the randomized control trials which show ivermectin is an effective prophylactic. There is currently no evidence for this either:
Owing to very low certainty of evidence, the effect of ivermectin, compared with standard care, in reducing the risk of suspected, probable, or laboratory confirmed infection remains very uncertain; the certainty of evidence was rated down because of serious risk of bias and very serious imprecision.

I'm happy consider any treatment provided there is some evidence it works. You have failed to provide that evidence.

See for yourself who they enrolled for all the RCTs the media is citing as proof of the ineffectiveness of antivirals, like Oxford's completely botched RECOVERY study.

https://covexit.com/recovery-covid-19-research-blasted-for-toxic-dosage-towards-oxfordgate/

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-06-05-no-clinical-benefit-use-hydroxychloroquine-hospitalised-patients-covid-19

These studies virtually all enroll people who have COVID-19 hyperinflammation, have been symptomatic for around a week or more, and have been hospitalized. I have already explained why this is futile. The virus is gone. And I mean, it's gone. It's too late.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/963/htm

An article written by a computer scientist and a practitioner of "energy medicine", published in a fake journal which is not listed in PubMed, has no publisher, has literally zero impact factor, which is ran by a young Earth creationist and a lawyer who sues vaccine companies on behalf of "victims". And even then, they still state "there are no studies demonstrating definitively that this is happening". Roll Eyes

Come on. You seem smart enough to realize just how disingenuous and dishonest something like this is.

Very well, then. I shall go over my concerns in brief, citing my own letter (which, in turn, cites many other files).

https://mega.nz/file/HZNmyRKB#xF15FrsAEZkwBPi4tdUP5toBBqeRHDJJAHzZt6Hg_Qg

-The vaccine is not sterilizing and does not prevent transmission. The vaccinated are still contagious to others. This means that the virus no longer has any pressure to become less virulent; mutations that could be lethal to the unvaccinated may only cause a mild increase in illness in the vaccinated.

-Natural immunity from a prior infection results in antibodies to all of the virus's proteins, not just one.

-All of the current COVID-19 vaccines have undergone highly accelerated trial periods, not allowing any time for long-term side effects to appear.

-Messenger RNA vaccines, which deliver the active form of genes to cells to synthesize viral proteins and produce an antigen response that way, have never been tested in humans before. In Moderna's case, mRNA-1273 is actually their first-ever commercial product. Would you willingly put a company's first-ever product in your body?

-The production and validation of these vaccines involved fetal cell lines, which some may object to.

-The lipid nanoparticles from the mRNA vaccines have been shown to bioaccumulate all over the body, and do not stay in the shoulder.

-The PEGylated lipid nanoparticles in mRNA vaccines can occasionally trigger severe allergic reactions.

-Damaged mRNA can stall ribosomes by getting jammed in them, causing ribosome attrition and reduced protein synthesis.

-The method of making SARS-CoV-2 Spike inert, inserting prolines on the S1/S2 boundary to rigidly lock the trimers in the prefusion conformation, does not take into account any unexpected proteolysis or further processing of the Spike proteins by the body that may release the S1 subunits, allowing them to travel freely around the body and bind to things.

-SARS-CoV-2 Spike is, in itself, a pathogenic protein, capable of binding to ACE2, integrins, neuropilin-1, and bacterial LPS. It can induce autoantibody responses against healthy tissue, overactivate T-cells with a SAg region, penetrate the blood-brain barrier, and bind to heparin-binding proteins and induce amyloid aggregation and possible neurodegeneration, among many other unknown and possibly pathogenic effects.

-SARS-CoV-2 may have ADE, which means that a future strain may cause antibodies from vaccines based on the sequence of previous strains to become non-neutralizing, turning them into trojan horses that help virions infect leukocytes they would not have otherwise been able to infect.

-Messenger RNA that codes for Modified SARS-CoV-2 Spike may be integrated into the genome of cells by endogenous LINE-1 reverse transcription. There is a plausible mechanism whereby it can integrate itself into your DNA. That means that this is, in fact, potentially a gene delivery system.

Out of all of these, the most appalling thing is this:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33328624/

And the rest of your links go the same way as this one, and the same way as your original letter - off the deep end of conspiracy theories with absolutely no supporting evidence or facts.

You said there was no proof that mind-controlling nanoparticles existed. I showed you that not only do they exist, and not only did James Giordano give presentations about them before an entire class of stunned cadets at West Point, they are described explicitly in publicly-available materials.

Not only that, DARPA, DTRA, and vaccine researchers are intimately connected both to brain-computer interface research, and to GOF research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The degrees of separation here are minuscule. When plotted out on a node graph, they would all cluster together. David Martin and M-CAM showed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that GOF SARS strains and their features are basically patented products.

That's not a conspiracy theory. That is a RICO case the size of Mount Everest. It is also mass murder and treason.
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October 01, 2021, 03:01:38 PM
#75

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 That thread is for the hat gang,
So why bring it here. It has nothig to do here, stay in your encavement.
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October 01, 2021, 02:21:15 PM
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pussies

 Excuse me, ser, but do you have any self awareness?

 Like, even just a smidge?

 That thread is for the hat gang, WO regulars, and other folk that are capable of sexually pleasuring themselves by their own hand.

 Unlike you, with wrists so fucking weak, you dump all your bags in a panic, at the lowest point in 3 (?) years, and haven't shown your face in the WO thread since in shame.

 Go and sodomize yourself with a length of rusted pipe you fucking loser.

 Have fun staying poor.
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October 01, 2021, 01:34:49 PM
#73
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why over rule the 15 experts?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58051802

Lol, self.moderated thread with experts, i piss myself.
Scientists and experts can be found in sig.

One liar down, lots to follow https://youtu.be/QZjeBxM2nOg?t=338

You have a point. Self-mod threads are for pussies. One does create self-modded threads only if he/she is afraid of what people might say. I try to never comment in these threads and I am not in favor of creating them.

Why even create a thread If you don't want certain people to certain stuff? Just have a telegram group...

Pussies?
Yeah, you ought to know  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Remember?

I can't even comment further on Tash's nonsense, too. Sorry, no quote.
Also, i'm wasting space for on-topic content here. Good riddance!
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