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Quote from: Igebotz on July 12, 2022, 05:36:36 PM

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Due to his age, the odds of matching Messi's Ballon d'Or awards are almost nonexistent. They have both past their prime and won't ever compete for the prize again.

I thought Messi was too old last year, tbh, but he still won it, which is why I made the quip about PSG. I know it's the most prestigious of soccer awards, but honestly I don't know how it's judged. All I know is that Salah wasn't even in consideration a couple of years ago when he had more goals than anyone else in Europe, and if there ever was a selfless player on the pitch, he's one.

Measi had a good year in 2021, winning the Copa America and Copa derel, scoring over 40 goals and winning all individual awards at the Copa America tournament, Lewandaoski and Jorginho also had a good season, but Salah went trophyless.

Salah: a selfless player? Nah Mane believes otherwise; they had a collision earlier last season, and Mane claimed Salah was too selfish in games; Buwaytress can you attest to this? I didn't get the whole story, but I knew they were having problems.

I remember writing about that Mane/Salah relationship here on the forum in that season when they were both gunning for golden boot award. It really looked like they don't want to assist each other in some lower importance games or when result is already heavily in LFC favour.

When they played though important games it was not evident from TV coverage. So I say there was some bad blood there for sure, but nothing that really had impact on club results.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 12, 2022, 04:38:52 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on July 11, 2022, 02:43:28 PM

Due to his age, the odds of matching Messi's Ballon d'Or awards are almost nonexistent. They have both past their prime and won't ever compete for the prize again.

I thought Messi was too old last year, tbh, but he still won it, which is why I made the quip about PSG. I know it's the most prestigious of soccer awards, but honestly I don't know how it's judged. All I know is that Salah wasn't even in consideration a couple of years ago when he had more goals than anyone else in Europe, and if there ever was a selfless player on the pitch, he's one.

Measi had a good year in 2021, winning the Copa America and Copa derel, scoring over 40 goals and winning all individual awards at the Copa America tournament, Lewandaoski and Jorginho also had a good season, but Salah went trophyless.

Salah: a selfless player? Nah Mane believes otherwise; they had a collision earlier last season, and Mane claimed Salah was too selfish in games; Buwaytress can you attest to this? I didn't get the whole story, but I knew they were having problems.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 12, 2022, 04:38:52 PM

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 12, 2022, 09:48:33 AM

Yeah, United is giving us a proper spanking, it's never nice to see that.

Lol, that's a cheap way of getting revenge for having a shitty season last year. Grin

Has Rashford played for United or not, if he did, did he look ok, or? I know he did not score. I am wondering since he has great price in Fantasy and if we could get Rashford from two seasons before it would be a bargain. Last season was very poor for him and even though I am not United supporter, I really hope he will get back on right track.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 11, 2022, 02:43:28 PM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 10, 2022, 05:19:17 PM

Can't argue with that, I guess what I meant to say was that he doesn't seem selfish on the field. Grin

He is! His assist statistics speak for themselves; last season, he played 30 matches, scored 18 goals, and only had 3 assists. Every club where he has played, he consistently ranks last in assists. He is only knows how to score.

You make a good point.

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Lol. He still aims to catch Messi for the Ballon d'Or, so he won't be leaving Europe anytime soon.

What do you really think are the odds of Renaldo matching or passing Messi's number of Ballon d'Or awards? I mean, he's never played for PSG!

Due to his age, the odds of matching Messi's Ballon d'Or awards are almost nonexistent. They have both past their prime and won't ever compete for the prize again.

I thought Messi was too old last year, tbh, but he still won it, which is why I made the quip about PSG. I know it's the most prestigious of soccer awards, but honestly I don't know how it's judged. All I know is that Salah wasn't even in consideration a couple of years ago when he had more goals than anyone else in Europe, and if there ever was a selfless player on the pitch, he's one.

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 12, 2022, 09:48:33 AM

Yeah, United is giving us a proper spanking, it's never nice to see that.

Lol, that's a cheap way of getting revenge for having a shitty season last year. Grin

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on July 12, 2022, 09:39:31 AM

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I don't trust strikers from the Bundesliga.

oh i hear ya, i know a thing or two about Bundesflop strikers, especially after Real Madrid signed Luka ~~Flop~~Jovic Grin

It never ends well! When Michy Batshauyi, a Chelsea flop went to Dortmund and became the Messiah and scored 7 goals in his first 9 games before getting injured, I knew the league was in shit. Grin

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 12, 2022, 09:48:33 AM

Yeah, United is giving us a proper spanking, it's never nice to see that.

Still - their lineup was way stronger (basically all seniors while we had 5 kids in the team) and they are a week ahead in their physical preparation due to their season being way shorter than ours.

A friendly game so no harm done, but still - it's United and I wish that it did not happen.

Whether friendly or not, banter MUST be served Grin

! At least they stopped Liverpool supporters from saying, "We won United with our B team."

Were Liverpool supporters anticipating ETH to start with a young team? Nah! He is under a lot of pressure to prove himself unlike Klopp. Liverpool, however, fielded a full squad after falling behind 3-0.

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if you can't beat them in regular season, do that in friendly match, new United moto
nevertheless, will be interesting to see United in the season, can they repeat this one, I do not think so, but as already said, City is top, and Liverpool is better than the rest, but closer to them than to City

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Yeah, United is giving us a proper spanking, it's never nice to see that.

Still - their lineup was way stronger (basically all seniors while we had 5 kids in the team) and they are a week ahead in their physical preparation due to their season being way shorter than ours.

A friendly game so no harm done, but still - it's United and I wish that it did not happen.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 11, 2022, 05:47:39 PM

I don't trust strikers from the Bundesliga.

oh i hear ya, i know a thing or two about Bundesflop strikers, especially after Real Madrid signed Luka ~~Flop~~Jovic Grin

Quote from: tokeweed on July 12, 2022, 08:10:15 AM

Very underrated player imho. And what do you mean by 'big if'. Is Haaland prone to injuries? I think it's still too early to say he's injury prone. He's still so young.

to me Rodri is easily one of the best in his position, world-class, right up there with the likes of Casemiro and Fabinho
And yeah, Haaland is injury prone, or at least that what it looked like last season. I remember Pep saying that the Man City medical staff was aware of it when they signed him and that they're confident it's not a big issue, but we'll see

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New kid Carvalho, fullbacks I never heard of before (shame on me) and Bobby leading the line in Thailand, started seeing when down 1-0 to a Sancho goal but we're playing much better (passes, accuracy, attempts). We're now 3-0 down though haha but United playing a proper first eleven!

We do have an entire squad more than United on the bench, so this is going to be some kind of musical chairs game I bet!

Also, didn't realise actually I'd not joined up the pool yet (didn't click on the link Capt'n sent to me till now), though had paid much earlier. #15 to join, hope to see the rest of you gentlemen in there -- only weeks to the first game!

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best and worst signings you ask? I think Kalvin Phillips will be a flop. He's the most overrated english player right now imo, paying almost 50M for him is a daylight robbery... best sigining, Haaland. He'll prolly score like 30+ goals or something if he can stay injury free (big if).

Yup, same gut feeling here. He's gonna be something like the Nathan Ake signing from Bournemouth. I think Ake's transfer fee was over 40m GBP? Could be wrong. But yeah...

Another great move that Man City did was extend Rodri's contract. That guy is the unsung hero of the club. Very underrated player imho. And what do you mean by 'big if'. Is Haaland prone to injuries? I think it's still too early to say he's injury prone. He's still so young.

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Quote from: rdbase on July 12, 2022, 07:33:56 AM

There is pre-season match-up coming up in about 30 minutes from now between Manchester United and Liverpool.
Friendly of course since we have around 24 days until the season officially starts so can't wait for that day to finally come.
Wouldn't have known about this match if it wasn't on a youtuber's channel and received the notification just now that his stream will be starting in 15 minutes.
He also did a friendly between Arsenal vs Numberg last week where the german squad went up 1-0 to the gunners.
We'll see how a Pobga less red devils squad will fair against a Liverpool team who probably won't put on their best players for this match. But we will see. Their next match is against Melbourne Victory from the Australia football league.

Probably this match is exactly as being in a training session of each team,but now they are doing it together by playing against each other.I doubt this event will be spectacular and most likely both teams will try all the players as that is what friendlies are for in the beginning.They are made to test all the players even those who has not played many matches.I think it will end in a draw if the game is quiet but if for some reason one of the teams scores the first goal that can spark the other team response and we can see a friendly game with a lot of goals.

For the next game with the Australian league team I think there is no need for comment here Grin

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There is pre-season match-up coming up in about 30 minutes from now between Manchester United and Liverpool.
Friendly of course since we have around 24 days until the season officially starts so can't wait for that day to finally come.
Wouldn't have known about this match if it wasn't on a youtuber's channel and received the notification just now that his stream will be starting in 15 minutes.
He also did a friendly between Arsenal vs Numberg last week where the german squad went up 1-0 to the gunners.
We'll see how a Pobga less red devils squad will fair against a Liverpool team who probably won't put on their best players for this match. But we will see. Their next match is against Melbourne Victory from the Australia football league.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 12, 2022, 01:36:55 AM

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Werner, who came to the premier league and underperformed expectations, had a better goal ratio in the Bundesliga than Halaand. I don't trust strikers from the Bundesliga. I'm not sure if Halaand would score above or up to 20 goals in his first season because G. Jesus, who spent six years at Manchester City, never scored more than 17 league goals per season; his highest total was 16.

He would be up against good defenders and not some random part-time farmers in Bundesliga.

You sure about that goal ratio? Because if you are thinking on goals scored in his last Bundesliga season, than sure. If you are talking about goal involment per actual games or minutes played I don't think that is true. Haaland missed a lot of games last season due to injury, otherwise his numbers would be way higher.

Werner led Leipzig to the champions league on his own, and he is currently Leipzig's all-time leading scorer with 95 goals. I believe Werner had a greater impact in the Bundesliga than Halaand did. In his last two Bundesliga seasons, he had strike rates of 0.57/90 minutes and 0.9/90 minutes, respectively.

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Haaland is much better finisher than Werner, Werner was missing heaps of chances in bundesliga as well but he had enough of them to still score often. Not the case in England.

You're right, but Werner is a better team player than Halaand, and I'd rather have that on my team than someone who can only attack. If Werner improved the accuracy of his shots, by the time he gets to 30 he would be among the best.

Who would have thought that a relegation bond Raphinha would be the talk of every single day like he's Messi or Ronaldo? The Chelsea vs. Barcelona Raphinha saga is getting boring. Just because most players want to play for Barcelona the broke club is creating a nuisance in the transfer market.

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best and worst signings you ask? I think Kalvin Phillips will be a flop. He's the most overrated english player right now imo, paying almost 50M for him is a daylight robbery... best sigining, Haaland. He'll prolly score like 30+ goals or something if he can stay injury free (big if).

I honestly never watched him play but City would not be buying him if he was not decent right? I tend to really not look much at English players who are overrated,,, like even my own player Kane, they seem to perform worse when rated. Though for players not really rated like Trent (Liverpool rate him high but can you imagine no club wants to buy him or even Southgate does not like him???) I really think they are awesome.

Haaland I think can do 15-20 goals but he does have to score 30+ for him to not be a flop, at his price tag! Same about Nunez!

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Time for me to shake off the dust and try again this season, I made a small spot late on and feel so much regret for a few game selections that would have enabled me to get top 2 but in the end, we must be grateful for winning.

Anyway I already paid, and so looking forward to all of you fighting it out like last season

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however, if he can score 15 goals in his debut season, we can say he had a fantastic season.

For a club like Manchester City that would eventually score lots of goals even when they put almost any striker upfront, 15 goals is a little bit on the low side. Something around 20 would be called as having a fantastic season, I mean he is one of the current top striker right now though so alot of expectation for him even in his debut season

Werner, who came to the premier league and underperformed expectations, had a better goal ratio in the Bundesliga than Halaand. I don't trust strikers from the Bundesliga. I'm not sure if Halaand would score above or up to 20 goals in his first season because G. Jesus, who spent six years at Manchester City, never scored more than 17 league goals per season; his highest total was 16.

He would be up against good defenders and not some random part-time farmers in Bundesliga.

You sure about that goal ratio? Because if you are thinking on goals scored in his last Bundesliga season, than sure. If you are talking about goal involment per actual games or minutes played I don't think that is true. Haaland missed a lot of games last season due to injury, otherwise his numbers would be way higher.

Haaland is much better finisher than Werner, Werner was missing heaps of chances in bundesliga as well but he had enough of them to still score often. Not the case in England.

That is another concern, he is injury prone due to his build and explosiveness and Pep could manage his minutes.

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 11, 2022, 05:32:33 PM

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however, if he can score 15 goals in his debut season, we can say he had a fantastic season.

For a club like Manchester City that would eventually score lots of goals even when they put almost any striker upfront, 15 goals is a little bit on the low side. Something around 20 would be called as having a fantastic season, I mean he is one of the current top striker right now though so alot of expectation for him even in his debut season

Werner, who came to the premier league and underperformed expectations, had a better goal ratio in the Bundesliga than Halaand. I don't trust strikers from the Bundesliga. I'm not sure if Halaand would score above or up to 20 goals in his first season because G. Jesus, who spent six years at Manchester City, never scored more than 17 league goals per season; his highest total was 16.

He would be up against good defenders and not some random part-time farmers in Bundesliga.

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Quote from: Igebotz on July 11, 2022, 02:43:28 PM

however, if he can score 15 goals in his debut season, we can say he had a fantastic season.

For a club like Manchester City that would eventually score lots of goals even when they put almost any striker upfront, 15 goals is a little bit on the low side. Something around 20 would be called as having a fantastic season, I mean he is one of the current top striker right now though so alot of expectation for him even in his debut season

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on July 10, 2022, 05:19:17 PM

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He has demonstrated twice that he has no loyalty to any club. He left Real Madrid when they were in trouble and trying to rebuild the team. He then went to the reigning champions Juventus and left them when they were in trouble. Now, he is doing the same thing with Manchester United, leaving when they need him. He does not want to play in the Europa League and does not mind playing for rivals.

Can't argue with that, I guess what I meant to say was that he doesn't seem selfish on the field. Grin

He is! His assist statistics speak for themselves; last season, he played 30 matches, scored 18 goals, and only had 3 assists. Every club where he has played, he consistently ranks last in assists. He is only knows how to score.

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Lol. He still aims to catch Messi for the Ballon d'Or, so he won't be leaving Europe anytime soon.

What do you really think are the odds of Renaldo matching or passing Messi's number of Ballon d'Or awards? I mean, he's never played for PSG!

Due to his age, the odds of matching Messi's Ballon d'Or awards are almost nonexistent. They have both past their prime and won't ever compete for the prize again.

He must not play in PSG mate. Angry

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best and worst signings you ask? I think Kalvin Phillips will be a flop. He's the most overrated english player right now imo, paying almost 50M for him is a daylight robbery... best sigining, Haaland. He'll prolly score like 30+ goals or something if he can stay injury free (big if).

The price is outrageous, but Kalvin Philips plays with a lot of confidence for England, so I don't think he would struggle at Manchester City. In addition, he is a back-up DM, so we won't be seeing him much. As for Halaand, there is no way he will score 30 goals in the EPL; however, if he can score 15 goals in his debut season, we can say he had a fantastic season.

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Quote from: Harkorede on July 11, 2022, 12:17:34 PM

I believe that clubs these days too barely cares about players and are only in good terms when it beneficial to them, and when it gets to certain stage they keep offering them barely a year deal, so I really don't blame players while chasing their career, they should also ensure their getting the best deal financially and achieve the best feat they can too with what whatever club is able to provide with such opportunities.

Reminds of Dani Alves who has reportedly left Barcelona yet again, meanwhile he came back especially just help the club out during the crises and was more a back room player and leader, he's treatment wasn't ideal to be honest and the same fate befall Rakitic. Iniesta and Xavi were rather intellingent enough to know when it was the right time to leave. I really don't can't blame Ronaldo is a bailing on the club, it wasn't as they did they were doing him any favour by signing him back to begin with and he's getting to his later stages already.

There's nothing unique about that, every club or team in every major sport has conducted themselves in similar ways. Here in the SF bay area people are still bitter about the way the 49ers handled Joe Montana's departure, and that was 33 years ago, lol. The head coach at the time, Bill Walsh is famous for saying "it's better to move on from a player a year too soon than a year too late." More recent example is the way Tom Brady and the Patriots parted ways.

It can be hard for the fans, who's loyalty often extends not only to the team but also the contributing players. But as it is, professional sports are a business, and sentiment can often degrade revenue.

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