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How about we all stop attacking each other and keep this thread on topic.

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People already have enough pages to read through to get the whole story on this. Your fighting and off topic arguing is more crap that people who actually want to follow this thread have to go through.
Vod
legendary
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You guys may call it stalking, but the kid stole half a million dollars.  I'm bringing him to justice, and no court in the world will call that stalking.  If Zhou's payroll perma-bans me, then that's life.
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Responding to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--97099

So now you're telling me sarcastically responding to a "Brony" 's baiting is permaban worthy?

Edit: And the trollish poster who leveled the child stalking accusation backs you up Matthew, rofl. Hey, Rarity, if you aren't already a member of Something Awful, you'd fit right in fyi.

Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Quote from: mlawrence
I am seriously planning to stalk a child.  Game's over for you and Zhou.

Ask Theymos if someone's thread specifically calling for action against someone and saying he will stalk them is worth banning. Not my forum, but it smells like a permaban to me. Do you disagree?
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Responding to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--97099

So now you're telling me sarcastically responding to a "Brony" 's baiting is permaban worthy?

Edit: And the trollish poster who leveled the child stalking accusation backs you up Matthew, rofl. Hey, Rarity, if you aren't already a member of Something Awful, you'd fit right in fyi.

Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Quote from: mlawrence
I am seriously planning to stalk a child.  Game's over for you and Zhou.
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

He straight up admits he is planning to stalk him.  A ban for that would not exactly be a stretch, but you can't really blame him for getting caught up in the witch hunt that has been ginned up here.  Not everybody has the will to think about this stuff fairly and independently when there are calls for blood in the air.  
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

You obviously didn't read the thread.

Quote from: mlawrence
I am seriously planning to stalk a child.  Game's over for you and Zhou.
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Permaban for engaging private investigators, really?

I have not received a single email from AurumXchange and all communication from them is the support ticket.

Sounds about right.

It's highly obvious that they only want to let the public know their "heroic" acts and they have no interest in solving this matter with involved individuals.
I get this feeling as well. No sane exchange would actively libel against their customer. Even CryptoXChange has the common sense to not talk shit about people who are even PROVEN to scam and steal bank accounts and attempt to launder through them etc, because the law prohibits discussing active cases. It's clear they are only -beginning- to make this an 'actual' case after they realized their mistake and are probably not even a registered company by the looks of the continued refusal to provide basic contact information. Charlie wouldn't flinch to provide contact information. Neither would Mark Karples. If Aurumxchange is legit, why aren't they giving contact information?

we gave each other $10,000 of mutual line of credit in that deal.
That also makes perfect sense since this entire thread seemed like an -emotional- response to you directly more than anything logical. Even the people here who  believe you're a thief were taken back by their unprofessionalism in even starting this libelous, privacy agreement breaking thread.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--97099

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.

I smell a permaban.
vip
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.

Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross?

I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself.

I'm waiting, not delaying.

Send it Patrick Muirk as you sent the first 15k BTC. You could ague that you are waiting for bank account information for the fiat (which may or may not be true) but you can't argue that for the 5k BTC. We already know there is an address you can send that to.

To my best knowledge, he is holding this case at the moment to obtain instruction from Bitcoinica regarding a minor aspect of his representation.

You can email him personally to request that. He's very responsive and he acts in interest of Bitcoinica clients, and I have no problem of following his instructions. Just do that and I'll follow his instruction within reasonable timeframe.

Thanks for understanding!
vip
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Public clarification #2
There is solid evidence that the $5,000 was Bitcoinica's stolen properties, because the email and LR account matched the hacker's identity. The bank account was purchased from the black market though.

It is interesting that you consider the fact that the email matched the one used to perform the hack "solid evidence". The only solid evidence we have so far (as per your own admission) is that the email used to launder the proceedings of Bitcoinica was created by you, and was under your control, at least at some point in time. We also have an exchange order using that email requesting funds to be wired to a stolen chinese bank account purchased in the black market (as per your own admission). Do you follow? You still think we are not legally obligated to hold your funds?

We have sent you the address where to elevate claims, along with a request from KYC information, which we are well within our rights to request. We have also sent you our company address as well, contrary to your statements on this forum. You are refusing to provide KYC information under the basis that we are a "shady" company, completely ignoring the fact that we have no public track record of wrong doing, that we have been operating since 2007, and that you considered us trustworthy enough to make us funding partners in Bitcoinica AND to use us to exchange $40k USD on behalf of a friend.

In any case, this conversation is an exercise in futility. At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue.

Roberto

Please provide proof of the "sent" information.

I haven't received any email from you and no other emails from AurumXchange was identified as spam.

I didn't expect you to lie at all, and I always thought you are following legal instructions carefully in your country.
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I have not received a single email from AurumXchange and all communication from them is the support ticket.

Sounds about right.

It's highly obvious that they only want to let the public know their "heroic" acts and they have no interest in solving this matter with involved individuals.
I get this feeling as well. No sane exchange would actively libel against their customer. Even CryptoXChange has the common sense to not talk shit about people who are even PROVEN to scam and steal bank accounts and attempt to launder through them etc, because the law prohibits discussing active cases. It's clear they are only -beginning- to make this an 'actual' case after they realized their mistake and are probably not even a registered company by the looks of the continued refusal to provide basic contact information. Charlie wouldn't flinch to provide contact information. Neither would Mark Karples. If Aurumxchange is legit, why aren't they giving contact information?

we gave each other $10,000 of mutual line of credit in that deal.
That also makes perfect sense since this entire thread seemed like an -emotional- response to you directly more than anything logical. Even the people here who  believe you're a thief were taken back by their unprofessionalism in even starting this libelous, privacy agreement breaking thread.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--97099

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.

I smell a permaban.
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.

Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross?

I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself.

I'm waiting, not delaying.

Send it Patrick Muirk as you sent the first 15k BTC. You could ague that you are waiting for bank account information for the fiat (which may or may not be true) but you can't argue that for the 5k BTC. We already know there is an address you can send that to.
Vod
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Licking my boob since 1970
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--97099

I hope that thread will last long enough to have people contact me.  I'm done playing games with Zhou and the people on his stolen payroll.
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At this point we don't even know who you are because you continue to systematically refuse to provide KYC information. Feel free to sue me, or the company. No further statements from me regarding this issue.

Right, he should just give all his information to you so you can post it publicly for your lynch mob here, you aren't as clever as you think.
vip
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.

Send to who? Send to satoshi? Send to Red Cross?

I'm trying to resolve this problem for Bitcoinica customers, not just for myself.

I'm waiting, not delaying.
vip
Activity: 490
Merit: 502

By the way, a freezing order by court in Dominica is only effective for 7 days unless a money laundering crime is charged within 7 days. Also divulging any information about an ongoing AML investigation is a criminal offence, punishable with up to $250,000 in fines and 10 years of inprisonment. (The inprisonment for money laundering itself is up to 7 years.)

Reference: Dominican Money Laundering Prevention Act (2000)

This means that AurumXchange must have received an order by a more superior party than court to have frozen the funds for more than 7 days, and/or an AML investigation has not formally taken place.


If you have nothing to fear and tell the truth, why are you fighting so strongly against providing this little AML compliance info?
Do your best and send it to them! -> Problem solved!

It's not a little. It's the entire trace of financial transactions and confidential identifications of all known involved parties, all certified!

And they have to be sent to a "company" without registration number, telephone or address. And according to AurumXchange, this is the first time they blocked funds!

I have provided Mt. Gox with my identification documents, but I'm not willing to do the same for AurumXchange due to their shady business activities. I'm more willing to file a lawsuit against Roberto personally (because there's no company registration details).
In my opinion no big hindrance for such an amount of money. I am also confident that AurumXchange will provide you with contact information since it is obviously in their interest to solve this issue as quickly as possible. So far they act very constructive and supportive.

This business wasn't so shady when you exchanged your funds - so you will have to bear the consequences!

They didn't provide me any contact information. Their "repeated requests" are lies.

I have not received a single email from AurumXchange and all communication from them is the support ticket. You can go and check the ticket yourself, and compare with their public posts (compare the private "sorry I can't share any information with you." and the public "look, ZT is the thief!"). It's highly obvious that they only want to let the public know their "heroic" acts and they have no interest in solving this matter with involved individuals.

The business is shady as always, like any unincorporated Bitcoin business. But I trusted Roberto personally because he has been very co-operative in Bitcoinica integration, and we gave each other $10,000 of mutual line of credit in that deal.
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.

I'm also trying to figure out if this mounts to extortion. So far, many of the statements from Zhou have been of extortion nature. Promising to have the funds released if no legal action is taken is a prime example. Its time to just send the funds Zhou. Too many people have suffered too long because of this fiasco.
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Roberto claims to have been trying to interact with Zhou through legal channels, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/payout-updates-bitcoinica-site-is-taken-offline-for-security-investigation-84042

No reason to doubt this, especially if continuing to give Zhou the benefit of the doubt.

How's your child Korean model doing? I've not followed the story...

My model? I don't own any models, maybe an RC plane. If you're asking about the 17 1/2 year old Korean model whom I think is awesome for supporting Bitcoin, I guess she's doing fine. Why don't you ask her yourself on her facebook at http://www.facebook.com/yoonyeonghwa . Last I talked to her, she was interested in promoting mining in Korea too. I told her she could buy contracts from people like you too if she wanted, but I couldn't rightfully suggest a shady operation that pays false figures and then crashes out. I think I'll recommend she buy a Jalapeno.

@Zhou Tong: I would also concur that Roberto, if he has not received an order from the government to do so (which would seem quite bizarre since no government would ask such a thing), posting your private information on the threads accusing you of being a scammer is not only against the law for AML purposes but a breach of your privacy agreement with him. Please consult with an attorney.

@Roberto: Please post your business registration/contact information in this thread for informational purposes so that Zhou's attorney can have it to address you officially.
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By the way, a freezing order by court in Dominica is only effective for 7 days unless a money laundering crime is charged within 7 days. Also divulging any information about an ongoing AML investigation is a criminal offence, punishable with up to $250,000 in fines and 10 years of inprisonment. (The inprisonment for money laundering itself is up to 7 years.)

Reference: Dominican Money Laundering Prevention Act (2000)

This means that AurumXchange must have received an order by a more superior party than court to have frozen the funds for more than 7 days, and/or an AML investigation has not formally taken place.


If you have nothing to fear and tell the truth, why are you fighting so strongly against providing this little AML compliance info?
Do your best and send it to them! -> Problem solved!

It's not a little. It's the entire trace of financial transactions and confidential identifications of all known involved parties, all certified!

And they have to be sent to a "company" without registration number, telephone or address. And according to AurumXchange, this is the first time they blocked funds!

I have provided Mt. Gox with my identification documents, but I'm not willing to do the same for AurumXchange due to their shady business activities. I'm more willing to file a lawsuit against Roberto personally (because there's no company registration details).

I think asking for registration is something you should have done BEFORE you deposited funds there. Your refusal to provide AML documents to them means they have no choice to seize the funds and you are acting in bad faith at this point.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.

Hey asshole - send the remaining 25k BTC NOW.  We all know the fiat money is locked up until you identify yourself, and it's clear you are not going to do that.

STOP PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES.
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Public clarification #2

Chen Jianhai has attempted to cash out $5,000 of LR exchanged from stolen Bitcoins owned by Bitcoinica. However the funds have been blocked by AurumXchange.

There is solid evidence that the $5,000 was Bitcoinica's stolen properties, because the email and LR account matched the hacker's identity. The bank account was purchased from the black market though.

AurumXchange is possessing $5,000 of Bitcoinica's stolen funds at the moment. Also the total income from other Chen Jianhai's money laundering transactions is estimated to be about $2,200, calculated from the data provided by AurumXchange.

You seem to know an aweful lot about everything in a conveniently short period of time. Why does it matter what order the funds are sent in? They need to be returned without delay, regardless of consequence.
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