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Quote from: Trofo on June 13, 2022, 02:43:26 PM

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What are the odds on Cilic? I have a feeling he will go far this season and if he is on opposite site of Djoković I fully expect him to reach final. Maybe a bit optimistic prediction but there isn't that much good grass players left in the draw. We did not see Djoko on grass this season and Berettini did not look as sharp as last season even though he won the title.

Cilic is @23, a bit better than Murray, but below Kyrgios, definitelly better pick than Tsitsi @13, maybe worth a try

will be a major blow for Djokovic not to take this one, Berrettini is @10.5, thought to take Norrie @51, but he did not looked good so far, losing yesterday to Dimitrov

it is a specific to play on grass, and good serve can take you to finals, maybe Isner can do it? statistics are not that important on Wimbledon, and we did not see top players so far on grass, first match will be an issue for all of them

still remembering Kyrgios upset against Nadal in Wimbledon, almost ten years ago, when Nadal said, it is time for new players to take over, and fast forward, it is almost the same situation

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Lots of interesting matches today. I played several tickets with various choices including ML and habdicaps on following:
Samsonova
Jabeur
Khachanov
Bonzi

Not gonna talk much about first 3 but Bonzi vs. Tsitipas looks like a nice one to me. Tsitsipas is a big favorite but Bonzi has more wins on grass last season than Tsitsipas in last 4 seasons combined. I am taking +5.5 @1.5 as absolute bargain, plus 4.5 @1.8 on a serius ticket and ML @4.0 on a low stake ticket.

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Quote from: Trofo on June 13, 2022, 02:43:26 PM

What are the odds on Cilic? I have a feeling he will go far this season and if he is on opposite site of Djoković I fully expect him to reach final. Maybe a bit optimistic prediction but there isn't that much good grass players left in the draw. We did not see Djoko on grass this season and Berettini did not look as sharp as last season even though he won the title.

Cilic seems to be similar odds to Murray, with around 10 players being seen as more likely to win. So he's probably under-rated, I'd have him in my top 5 for sure. Cilic certainly has a good chance, and I'd say a better chance than Murray. As you say, a lot depends on the draw, he could end up in the same part as Djokovic, which would be a tough match and leave him tired if he won, and so might make his next round game tough. Or he could end up on the other side and have an easy route through to the final.

No-one's really talking about Alcaraz, he is a bit of an unknown and could do well... but he is down as the second favourite, so it wouldn't exactly surprise anyone.

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it would be a shock to see Murray win over Djokovic in this conditions, nevertheless his good form, and Djokovic not being at his best lately

Yeah, you'd still favour Djokovic. I was just making the point really that a refreshed Murray winning a one-off match against Djokovic is probably more likely than Murray winning 7 consecutive best-of-5-set matches within a fortnight.

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Quote from: bct_ail on June 13, 2022, 02:52:50 PM

Although Alexander Zverev has been injured he is now number 2 in the world rankings. He has never been there before and I hope he will be fit again soon so he can continue playing. Hopefully at the US Open.
Andy Murray is now on Number 47 and back in the top 50.

This is a big injury for him. Three lateral ligament have got torn and surgery have got over. Now to work on it and comeback with his previous form takes time. His words are really positive “We all have our own journey in life. This is part of mine,”“Next week I’ll reach a career-high ranking of number 2 in the world, but this morning I had to undergo surgery. Already he have known about it.

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As for the result of this match, it was a surprise for everyone. However, I think we should not look at it from the perspective of how good van Rijthoven is, but how indisposed Medvedev was. I will definitely be watching van Rijthoven's progress from today onwards, but I don't expect anything spectacular. It was simply Medvedev's weaker day.

Medvedev was far from his best but Van Rijthoven was simply the better player and he played good all week. He also had wins against Fritz and Auger-Aliassime who are also not pancakes. It will be interesting to see how much Van Rijthoven can further evolve and if he can really reach the top 10-20 of the world.

If he can keep this high performance for a while it means he is worthy of becoming atleast one of the top 50 players we have seen such examples recently like rune who has became now a player that everyone will be carefull when facing him and he is now ranked 28 in the world.

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Although Alexander Zverev has been injured he is now number 2 in the world rankings. He has never been there before and I hope he will be fit again soon so he can continue playing. Hopefully at the US Open.
Andy Murray is now on Number 47 and back in the top 50.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 13, 2022, 05:48:49 AM

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I mean, if he drew Djokovic in the first round, it wouldn't be a massive shock to see Murray win that match... and I think this would be easier for him than to beat a bunch of random top 50 players 7 times consecutively in a fortnight over best-of-5-sets.

it would be a shock to see Murray win over Djokovic in this conditions, nevertheless his good form, and Djokovic not being at his best lately
there is a silver lining for Djokovic, in the fact that he will be top seed, no matter ATP position, since top2 players will be out

in this Wimbledon, every result apart from winning Wimbledon is a real surprise for Djokovic, it is hard to find player that could give him troubles, and odds are showing that, with Alcaraz and Nadal as second bests, with Berrettini, and Djokovic below @2, Wimbledon not even started

What are the odds on Cilic? I have a feeling he will go far this season and if he is on opposite site of Djoković I fully expect him to reach final. Maybe a bit optimistic prediction but there isn't that much good grass players left in the draw. We did not see Djoko on grass this season and Berettini did not look as sharp as last season even though he won the title.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on June 13, 2022, 05:48:49 AM

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I mean, if he drew Djokovic in the first round, it wouldn't be a massive shock to see Murray win that match... and I think this would be easier for him than to beat a bunch of random top 50 players 7 times consecutively in a fortnight over best-of-5-sets.

it would be a shock to see Murray win over Djokovic in this conditions, nevertheless his good form, and Djokovic not being at his best lately
there is a silver lining for Djokovic, in the fact that he will be top seed, no matter ATP position, since top2 players will be out

in this Wimbledon, every result apart from winning Wimbledon is a real surprise for Djokovic, it is hard to find player that could give him troubles, and odds are showing that, with Alcaraz and Nadal as second bests, with Berrettini, and Djokovic below @2, Wimbledon not even started

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Quote from: Erdogan on June 12, 2022, 04:14:30 PM

As for the result of this match, it was a surprise for everyone. However, I think we should not look at it from the perspective of how good van Rijthoven is, but how indisposed Medvedev was. I will definitely be watching van Rijthoven's progress from today onwards, but I don't expect anything spectacular. It was simply Medvedev's weaker day.

Medvedev was far from his best but Van Rijthoven was simply the better player and he played good all week. He also had wins against Fritz and Auger-Aliassime who are also not pancakes. It will be interesting to see how much Van Rijthoven can further evolve and if he can really reach the top 10-20 of the world.

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Quote from: Jating on June 12, 2022, 04:10:59 PM

it seems that Murray has the last say in the second set and make a great comeback. But it seems he was dominated by Berrettini in the 3rd. I agree, this is something that we didn't expect from Murray

I don't know that it's unexpected. I've been talking about this issue on and off for more than a year, and a few times this last week. A fully-fit and refreshed Murray is a match for almost anyone. But he struggles to recover between matches. He even said as much in his post-match interview yesterday (below). This is why I can't see him winning Wimbledon. I mean, if he drew Djokovic in the first round, it wouldn't be a massive shock to see Murray win that match... and I think this would be easier for him than to beat a bunch of random top 50 players 7 times consecutively in a fortnight over best-of-5-sets.

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/12/andy-murray-loses-boss-open-final-against-berrettini-with-left-hip-a-concern

As soon as Murray had levelled, though, the match was to all intents finished. After an error-strewn opening service game, Murray immediately called the trainer. He was unable to serve at full pace and then in the middle of his service game at 2-4 he underwent another medical timeout. Against one of the biggest servers in the world, a hobbled Murray fought but was unable to make any further impression.
Afterwards, Murray said it was a left ab injury that he sustained in the third set while serving, rather than a left hip injury as initially reported: “It’s a really long time [since] I have played nine matches in 14 days,” said Murray, who also played in Surbiton last week. “I also played Thursday through Saturday last week and then Thursday through to Sunday here. So it is probably normal that I would feel some stuff in my body but I don’t really know the severity of it. I’ll need to get it checked out. Hopefully it is all right.”

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Quote from: Ratash on June 12, 2022, 07:13:36 PM

There is an interesting game for me tomorrow on halle tournament rublev will be facing basilashvili on a grass court despite rublev being the heavy favourite i expect the game to be really competitive because we have seen basillashvili performing really good against kyrgios in their last game and he even won a set against him in grass i think he can win a set against rublev or at least a bet on a handicap may be a good idea.

IDK, In my mind Basilashvili has gone off the boil a little although I havent seen him on
grass yet. I checked on this site their prediction and they favour Basilashvili in 3 so yea
it could be a bet worth considering...

https://lastwordonsports.com/tennis/2022/06/12/atp-halle-day-1-predictions-rublev-basilashvili/

Quote from: darxiaomi on June 12, 2022, 08:45:55 PM

I really like to see this kind of tournaments, when a unknow made a beatifull tournament and in this case also be the champion. And against the next top 1 of the world.

This kind of magic doesnt see to much in the too much profesional era.

Luckily I didnt have a bet on this final, I was looking at Medvedev but the odds were poor
and I didnt bother with the handicap, I'm sure a lot of people lost out.

Its a dream win by van Rijthoven at his home event, this doesnt happen too much in the
ATP but happens regularly in the WTA and as recently as last US Open when Emma Raducanu,
a qualifier won the tournament!

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I really like to see this kind of tournaments, when a unknow made a beatifull tournament and in this case also be the champion. And against the next top 1 of the world.

This kind of magic doesnt see to much in the too much profesional era.

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There is an interesting game for me tomorrow on halle tournament rublev will be facing basilashvili on a grass court despite rublev being the heavy favourite i expect the game to be really competitive because we have seen basillashvili performing really good against kyrgios in their last game and he even won a set against him in grass i think he can win a set against rublev or at least a bet on a handicap may be a good idea.

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Quote from: MonsterV on June 12, 2022, 04:07:19 PM

Exceptional what happened today. When I saw the numbers, I thought it was an easy win for Medvedev, given the numbers. Then it turned out that van Rijthoven had won. He even led 5-0 in the second set. Those are unbelievable statistics. The question now is of course how good van Rijthoven really is, I hope it was not a one-hit wonder and that he can also play a significant role at Wimbledon. never heard of him before. By the way, Medevedev will be the new number 1 in the world tomorrow.

As for the result of this match, it was a surprise for everyone. However, I think we should not look at it from the perspective of how good van Rijthoven is, but how indisposed Medvedev was. I will definitely be watching van Rijthoven's progress from today onwards, but I don't expect anything spectacular. It was simply Medvedev's weaker day.

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Just looked at the odds there on Rollbit, Murray 1.90 - 1.91 Berrettini. -3.5 @ 3.8 looks
very appealing on Andy but that means at least 1 tie break in a 2 set match or 3 tie breaks.

it is starting in few minutes, I will wait for a few gems, and try to put Murray to win above @2, if there is a chance, and he looks solid
Medevedev is also starting at the moment, and there I am playing handicap on Rijthoven, should be a Medevedev win, but hardly with two breaks and better than 6:3, 6:3, he is playing next week as well

So Berrettini wins in 3 sets against Murray, well done to him especially coming back
from surgery and he will be pumped going into Queens.

Murray can be proud of himself though to get to a final after all he has been through
and the fight he has to get back competing in finals.

The shock of the day has to go to Medvedev being beaten in sHertogenbosch by a van Rijthoven
the qualifier, 6-4, 6-1 <--- that is some scoreboard against the world #2 1 soon to be.

Well done casperBGD on your handicap bet!

Yeah, didn't see the game, but it seems that Murray has the last say in the second set and make a great comeback. But it seems he was dominated by Berrettini in the 3rd. I agree, this is something that we didn't expect from Murray, but he reaches the finals again, perseverance is the key.

So Medvedev is beaten by a relatively unknown player? Must be really a bad day for him.

Good call on this one for those who bet on the underdog.

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Exceptional what happened today. When I saw the numbers, I thought it was an easy win for Medvedev, given the numbers. Then it turned out that van Rijthoven had won. He even led 5-0 in the second set. Those are unbelievable statistics. The question now is of course how good van Rijthoven really is, I hope it was not a one-hit wonder and that he can also play a significant role at Wimbledon. never heard of him before. By the way, Medevedev will be the new number 1 in the world tomorrow.

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Quote from: babygun on June 12, 2022, 01:36:31 PM

That loss of Medvedev was indeed quite a big schock. I read in an article that van Rijthoven hasn't won any ATP match before this tournament so beating Medvedev is a huge accomplishment!

I watched parts of that match and if Rijtoven played really well while Medvedev was far from his best as he was the whole tournament. If Medvedev continues like this there will be plenty of opportunity to play against him. I don't see how he can cover any handicap with play like this.

I am looking forward to see how Cilic and Djokovic look on grass this season. So far none of top players impressed me. Beettini also looked vulnerable this week even though he won the tournament.

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Quote from: babygun on June 12, 2022, 01:36:31 PM

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Too bad that Murray lost, I think a lot of people wouldn't have mind that Murray would have won another title after all his injuries. It will be interesting to see how far he can get on Wimbledon.

I do not think that he can do much
not because of his play, but stamina is questionable

he needs all three set wins to keep him fresh for second week, and he will probably lose sets here and there, and it will be hard to recuperate after those, not just hip, years are bothering him as well, but he is also missing whole tournament weeks, since this is his first final after a while, not sure if he is playing next week, but smelling easy pass-out if he plays

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Quote from: aoluain on June 12, 2022, 11:06:51 AM

So Berrettini wins in 3 sets against Murray, well done to him especially coming back
from surgery and he will be pumped going into Queens.

Murray can be proud of himself though to get to a final after all he has been through
and the fight he has to get back competing in finals.

The shock of the day has to go to Medvedev being beaten in sHertogenbosch by a van Rijthoven
the qualifier, 6-4, 6-1 <--- that is some scoreboard against the world #2 1 soon to be.

Well done casperBGD on your handicap bet!

Too bad that Murray lost, I think a lot of people wouldn't have mind that Murray would have won another title after all his injuries. It will be interesting to see how far he can get on Wimbledon.

That loss of Medvedev was indeed quite a big schock. I read in an article that van Rijthoven hasn't won any ATP match before this tournament so beating Medvedev is a huge accomplishment!

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Quote from: babygun on June 11, 2022, 01:02:41 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on June 11, 2022, 07:40:18 AM

Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
After is injury he is trying to come back at his "original" level (he has been the ATP number one for several weeks) but meanwhile he has also loss some "easy" matches.
I think that everything is possible, but it's a big risks, and there are other players, maybe younger in a good fit that could easily get a important results.

It would be nice if Murray could win this tournament as he had several good wins this week (against Tsitsipas and Kyrgios) but to return to his old level and winning grand slams, is not really possible anymore I think.
@Trofo, you have had several good picks this week, what would be your bet for the final of Murray vs Berrettini?

No absolutely, he is no longer able to win a grand slam, but not so much (or only) due to his lack but maybe because he has to face opponents who are much younger, in shape, and even greedy than him!
Today he was able to stand up to Berrettini, and play even the third set.
but he had to give up against a player who until last year was able to reach the Wimbledon final (may sound like a consolation)!

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