Topic: The 2.0 throwdown thread - page 12. (Read 21035 times)

First of all Qora is not part of the Nxt family . Nxt is really awesome, but it has nothing to do with Qora, Qora is completly written from scratch and is no clone or sibling of Nxt.
Regarding decentralized applications:
We introduced NameStorage in the last release which e.g. allows users to create interactive websites of arbitrary length on the blockchain. Through api (and that way through any blockchain website) you can write and read arbitrary data to the blockchain and use this as data storage for any application. If you combine this with automated transactions you have the possibility to create an own decentralized interactive crowdfunding website or make e.g. an own interface for ACCT! These are just examples the possibilities are endless.
Currently this is a little cumbersome, the next release will make this even easier and will also have some nice examples build by us.
I have already created an own send money panel, which is completly decentralized (so if someone copies the code of the website to his own website this will work too!).
That panel can be seen here and will be available in next version:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12089928

OK, updated. Could you provide some links to examples of the decentralized apps? That's not something I've heard of in the context of the NXT family.

exists right now and can be already used!

Possible means it exists right now, or could exist sometime in the future? Is someone working on them if they don't exist?

There are still some things wrong regarding Qora:
Encrypted messaging already possible
Asset Exchange possible ( afaik the only one that has asset to asset trading pairs)
decentralized applications possible

OK, updated table a bit and added Crypti.

Some of the feedback I got on reddit re: Ethereum and here from Passion_ltc re: Crypti makes it seem like these two systems are extremely flexible, and everything can (and will?) be implemented at some point by someone. So, I'm going to try and reserve the pending label for things that are actually being worked on at the moment, and credit the person, repo, company that is working on them. For instance, I think I need to change the x for asset exchange to pending on ethereum and credit Caktux:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3h66zg/please_help_me_understand_what_makes_eth_unique/cu4lp6d

If I've got something wrong, please post it here or send me a PM. I'm really trying to get everything correct, but it's a bit trickier than I expected o_O

Also, I'm thinking of removing NuShares as it seems to only be a market peg tool with NuBits.

To focus on features already implemented and in production:

Voting System:

Nxt has that since 1.5, http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Voting_System , and it is being used to make decisions with voting weighted by NXT balance such as this one: https://nxtportal.org/polls/2751730409036026521 , or by asset balance: https://nxtportal.org/polls/14305781929821355952 . Several other voting models (by account, by MS currency, with or without minimum balance restriction) are supported.

Qora also has a voting system, but as far as I know votes can only be counted based on Qora account balance, the Nxt one is more flexible.


Prunable messages and data:

Nxt allows publishing up to 42 kbytes of data on the blockchain, as either a message, or tagged data (i.e. with additional searchable metadata fields). It deals with the problem of blockchain bloat by making those data prunable: http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/The_Nxt_API#Prunable_Data , http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/The_Nxt_API#Tagged_Data_Operations .

Qora also has the feature to allow publishing arbitrary data on the blockchain, and can present this data as webpage. However I don't know if Qora supports pruning of such data, if their design is that every node needs to store every piece of data published forever, they will have a scalability problem.

Unlike Qora, Nxt does not currently provide a way to view such data as a webpage in the default client, however third party applications such as FreeBird are being developed which use the prunable data feature to store tweets or blogs in a decentralized manner: https://nxtforum.org/freebird/ .

 

I agree. It's a cool feature. I just don't like it, when people bend reality to let their cryptos look better.

Thank you for these clarification. I see how good it is the current topic.  

On anoter note,
Imo, coinsuffling is a kind anonymous transaction. So it is good that the chart currently working by jwinterm can add some text to described the feature with better detailed.

1. & 2. Smart contracts/AT: Jean-Luc I think it was you, who mentioned that it will not go into the source. With that as the current standpoint you can't say that it's being worked on.

3. Ok.

4. Coin Shuffling is not anonymous transactions. It's another feature.

5. Instant transactions were planned by Matthew C., he is now at Burst. So no, it's not being worked on.


Crypti is NOT a Nxt clone. It's written from scratch, written in Javascript/Node.js. Uses DPoS for consensus.

Nxt supports atomic cross-chain exchange using the pay on reveal secret method, as described here:
http://upcoder.com/11/atomic-cross-chain-exchange/#pay-on-reveal-secret

It was implemented and released in production in the 1.5 release:
https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/issues/224/proposal-new-tx-type-pay-on-reveal-secret

Automated transactions, which Nxt does not support, is one way of implementing atomic cross-chain exchange, but as you can see certainly not the only one.

Nxt does not support anonymous transactions, but it will support Coin Shuffling as described in this paper: http://crypsys.mmci.uni-saarland.de/projects/CoinShuffle/coinshuffle.pdf , here is the description of the Nxt implementation of it: https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/issues/135/coin-shuffling-monetary-system (note that it will work not only for Monetary System coins but for NXT itself too). The work as described in this issue is completed, what remains to be done is the so called "blame phase", making sure a rogue shuffle participant who tries to sabotage the shuffle is penalized for it. This will be released in 1.7.

Is there going to be a marketplace for Ether in the future?

Qora has asset exchange including asset to asset trading pairs.

Aye...

1. smart contract is already all written from Cfb, it need to be put into the Nxt code, however there is other priority for the moment.
2. AT, well it depend on how you see this (burst and crypti are Nxt clone, afaik). But I would agree that for now it is not a priority. So that tick could be remove, I give you that one  
3. multisig, yes they are working on that for whole account for next hard fork 1.7, now currently only support multisig for individual transaction with two-phase transaction.
4. anonymous transaction, yes coin suffling for NXT and MS is planned for next hard fork 1.7.
5. Instant transaction, I know a Nxt devs is working on this. but I can't remember his name. I would have to dig in the forum.

Nxt is NOT working on Smart Contracts, Automated Transactions, Multisig, Instant Transactions, Anonymous Transactions.

Please see the third post of this topic. I had already post the chart, but I mention the fact that it was only the Nxt collumn that was up to date. Nxt community will update the chart using the data in the current topic.

For your information, yes Nxt has every "green ticks" and "under construction ticks" for each element mention in the chart.

Hi Jwinterm,

I see you update the chart. That is good work.

However, you may note additionnaly that Nxt has a large asset exchange. You can take a look at the Nxt AE using those sites for example:
http://jnxt.org/jayex/?17554243582654188572
or
https://trade.secureae.com/#17554243582654188572

Nxt can also do atomic (cross chain) transaction with any chains. See again the Jean-Luc quote above (wich is the lead core dev of Nxt).

Thank you to compile all this.

Burst has an asset exchange built in, and thx to the at's it can also handle multisig wallets.

Hey jwinterm, would be great if you add Crypti to the table. It's also a "2.0" platform with the decentralized applications platform currently in alpha testing by our team.

http://crypti.me for more information, white paper here: http://crypti.me/crypti.pdf, first demo of our dapps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9o5X4xHJnc



I already prepare the entries for your list:

- Total supply: 100,000,000 (fixed)
- Initial distribution: Initial coin offering with 750 BTC invested
- Validation scheme: Delegated Proof-of-Stake

Automated (Turing complete) transactions: Yes, but in a side chain
Atomic (cross-chain) transactions: Yes, between Crypti's side chains
Asset creation: Yes (later). After the initial release you will be able to create custom tokens in your side chain
Market pegged assets: Pending, maybe some developer will create it with a dapp
Asset exchange: Pending, maybe some developer will create it with a dapp
Blockchain Multisig: Yes
Marketplace: Pending, maybe some developer will create it with a dapp


Crypti will have complete decentralized applications functionality. The dapps will be coded in JavaScript. Every dapp has its own side chain and can be used to save its data. In principle nearly everything will be possible.

Table updated a bit. I'm gonna go spam respective coin's forums/subreddits asking for input