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Quote from: Synchronice on January 17, 2024, 06:35:30 AM

Bitcointalk is an original forum of Bitcoin and a birthplace of many other top projects where legends themselves were actively posting and what is altcoinstalks? By the way, I want to say that Bitcointalk was probably the only forum with signature campaign, are there any other forums like this one? Campaigns pay high rate today because this is the OG forum and has the highest traffic with a good SEO profile.
You say that if the traffic on altcoinstalks increases, so will increase the payrate but how is that going to happen? How will traffic grow on altcoinstalks? Explain me this part.

It has already grown since the ban of Mixers on Bitcointalk, with some of the forum's reputable members and many more having already transferred their accounts there. FYI, traffic to Bitcointalk increased when the signature campaign launched in 2011. Nobody expected Altcointalk to reach the level of Bitcointalk, but it is now on the right path to compete

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Mixers are not illegal and from what I've read the altcointalk forum is not hosted on the U.S jurisdiction so it's safe to say the forum is on a safer space than Bitcointalk.

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Quote from: borovichok on January 16, 2024, 09:45:11 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on January 16, 2024, 08:14:44 AM

If altcoinstalks want to make people move from bitcointalk to their website, they have to invest money into signature campaigns and make them artificially pay higher than others pay on Bitcointalk for a long period of time because they don't have traffic and can't gain a competitive advantage in traffic by simply offering $45 campaigns.

Dude did you read what I posted earlier? Bitcointalk was paying $1.3/month in 2011. If the traffic on Altcointalk increases the payrate will also increase.

Bitcointalk is an original forum of Bitcoin and a birthplace of many other top projects where legends themselves were actively posting and what is altcoinstalks? By the way, I want to say that Bitcointalk was probably the only forum with signature campaign, are there any other forums like this one? Campaigns pay high rate today because this is the OG forum and has the highest traffic with a good SEO profile.
You say that if the traffic on altcoinstalks increases, so will increase the payrate but how is that going to happen? How will traffic grow on altcoinstalks? Explain me this part.

Quote from: JollyGood on January 16, 2024, 05:48:10 PM

Let's wait and see how long will they be able to allow mixer advertisement on their forum. At the moment there is not a big traffic and nobody cares about their forum and when mixers will be banned, they will be forced to disallow its promotion.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 04:29:12 AM

Quote from: NotATether on January 16, 2024, 02:41:22 AM

$45 against $150 for the highest-paying campaigns for each site, so yeah you are correct.

As usual with you, you didn't even bother to read what I explained afterwards. I'll explain it to you in another way.

You can get a special deal at $2.5 per post, so the best payment in ALTT is the same as the worst payment for an SR account in BTT. But starting from zero dollars two months ago and $120 a month ago, the difference is clear.

I've noticed more people joining like mocacinno/BlackHatCoiner/witcher_sense in the last 24 hours.
I think ABCbits aka ETFbitcoin is the highest ranking member in terms of merits who join.

The quality of the forum is as good as the quality of the discussions and the level of spam. Most of the paid posts are from good members compared to the smaller number of spam posts. But there is no alternative to BTT, even if all signature campaigns are banned.

I only hope that campaign managers look for advertisers away from gambling campaigns because that has become the prevailing feature of most signatures on the forum.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 16, 2024, 10:53:32 AM

Quote from: Lucius on January 16, 2024, 10:11:39 AM

I think it's only a matter of time before forums as a place for discussions become a thing of the past

I don't think so. That would only leave a few "social media" ruled by multinationals. I don't ever visit those, and I'm not alone in that.

If we were to compare the ratio of users who use forums and the most popular social networks, we would easily conclude that forums generally take a very small share in all of this. According to research from 2023, FB has about 3 billion active users per month, this forum approximately 3000+ active users per week, of which of course not all are unique users.

Considering the situation with those who use AI chat bots today, the question arises as to who will want to communicate in ten years (and probably even sooner) on a platform that will possibly consist of 80% bots and 20% people.

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I think one of the things Poker Player is saying is that as time progresses, the other forum (or forums) will eventually start increasing payouts in the campaigns that are being promoted on them especially as they will be driven by a policy that allows mixers to be visible (and posted about) and will results in mixers competing with each other thus the inevitable payment battle.

How many members would disagree with a principal that as traffic grows on the other forums, their campaign payouts will too, that is part of what Poker Player is stating and it is difficult to argue against that point.

Quote from: Synchronice on January 16, 2024, 08:14:44 AM

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It’s obvious most of your observation and speculation happens to be the case and users on the forum has teleported there accounts there in a bid to keep the acquired rank from BTT and other forums but, this doesn’t mean there would be any irrelevances in the traffic on here and how the forum is or should be run.
At the very least, the most that have changed on here is just the ban on mixers which have gained ground in another field. I mean, what would we have expect, they apparently is a needed service in the cryptospace and as such, needs a place to advertise.
Still, there isn’t any assurance that the fate of mixers on Bitcointalkforum wouldn’t be the fate of mixers elsewhere in the near feature. No reason to get worked up about it although, that wasn’t exactly the purpose of the OP.

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Quote from: Rikafip on January 16, 2024, 12:45:20 PM

Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 04:29:12 AM

The purpose of this thread is to warn of what may happen if more restrictions on signatures are imposed, not simply to rejoice in looking at a still photo of what this forum looks like today.

I doubt that theymos is not aware of the fact that bitcointalk owes vast majority of its current traffic to signature campaigns so I don't thnk that he will easily impose any further signature campaign restrictions. Mixer ban coulnd't be an easy one either and imho it was obvious that it was just a matter of time.

The thing is, the forum doesn't need traffic to survive. He's stated a few times over the years that the forum is doing quite well financially & doesn't need to raise money for anything. He's also stated that he thinks its cool that people can earn money from posting. I'd be very surprised if he announces any more kinds of signature bans.

Quote from: Poker Player on January 15, 2024, 02:52:27 AM

And that's one thing that can't change, right? Motorola and Nokia also had a great reputation and prestige.

Bitcointalk isn't a company. It's not operated for the sake of turning a profit and doesn't require revenue to continue existing; at least not for decades, or maybe even longer.

The forum will retain relevance by acting as a repository for satoshi's posts. That's all it has to keep doing. It will be relevant for as long as bitcoin is relevant.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 04:29:12 AM

The purpose of this thread is to warn of what may happen if more restrictions on signatures are imposed, not simply to rejoice in looking at a still photo of what this forum looks like today.

Quote from: LoyceV on January 16, 2024, 10:53:32 AM

I don't think so. That would only leave a few "social media" ruled by multinationals. I don't ever visit those, and I'm not alone in that.

Forums won't completely disappear, but I would be very surprised if they remain relevant in 10 years considering how things are developing. I've been very active on various forums since the early 2000s and situation is constantly getting worse. Golden age of forums was ~15 years ago and since then its all downhill.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 04:29:12 AM

A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this forum: $250 per week.
A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this altscointalk: $0.
Now: the only campaign that pays the most in this forum: $150.
On altscoinstalk: $45.
A year from now: we'll see.

All I see here is that "altscoinstalk" can expect a lot of competition! If it's that easy to get people to earn $45 per week on a new forum, there's a lot of money to be made for the forum itself too, and new forums will emerge.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 16, 2024, 09:15:42 AM

Nothing can takeaway over 14 years of history of this forum.

There have been Bitcointalk clones before Wink

It shouldn't be that difficult to clone the entire site again, but on a different domain with different rules.

Quote from: Lucius on January 16, 2024, 10:11:39 AM

I think it's only a matter of time before forums as a place for discussions become a thing of the past

I don't think so. That would only leave a few "social media" ruled by multinationals. I don't ever visit those, and I'm not alone in that.

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Quote from: borovichok on January 16, 2024, 09:45:11 AM

Dude did you read what I posted earlier? Bitcointalk was paying $1.3/month in 2011. If the traffic on Altcointalk increases the payrate will also increase.

It is because the price of Bitcoin back in the day. You have to take into account inflation rates from fiat currencies as well.

Just some years back like 2018 and 2019, $50/week is a standard for Hero and Legendary account, except CM.

In 2011, did you mean this campaign?
up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature for 3 months. 0.1 BTC for 3 months, with BTC price in 2011, it's was not much payment. It is like posting and getting BTC for experience and for fun.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 16, 2024, 09:15:42 AM

Nothing can takeaway over 14 years of history of this forum.

The history will remain here, but the majority of people will go to the highest paid forum, leaving here as a historical archive. One more drastic action from theymos and this place is toosed.

History says that the forum has years without signature campaigns. Not big deal if signature will be disabled, the forum will not die even its traffic will drop.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 07:39:27 AM

Quote from: borovichok on January 16, 2024, 05:02:12 AM

I agree with Poker Player it's just a matter of time.

I have to qualify this. I'm not saying it's a matter of time, but it could happen over time and especially if more restrictions are imposed. Let's imagine that casino campaigns are banned, for example. What would happen? I think that we could see a clear transfer of members and traffic to the other forum.

I think it's only a matter of time before forums as a place for discussions become a thing of the past, and I think that regardless of signature campaigns, we will see it in the next ten years. Banning mixers from this forum will surely influence some members to change their habits, but I don't think we can say at this moment that the other forum has a chance to become the new "bitcointalk", regardless of the fact that some members "teleported" their profiles there and started participate in signature campaigns.

I think that it should also be taken into account that "they" will not stop hunting mixers, and that no one should be surprised if this (and other forums) that promote them do not end up in a situation where they have to act like this forum or face the possibility that the notification "this domain is seized" will appear in front of their eyes.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 07:39:27 AM

Quote from: borovichok on January 16, 2024, 05:02:12 AM

I agree with Poker Player it's just a matter of time.

Matter of time can also be applied in many contexts. If casinos are banned, accounts made after 2012 will be gone; in fact, 80% of user activities will be substantially reduced, and Altcointalk will become the new Bitcointalk.

Quote from: Synchronice on January 16, 2024, 08:14:44 AM

Dude did you read what I posted earlier? Bitcointalk was paying $1.3/month in 2011. If the traffic on Altcointalk increases the payrate will also increase.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 16, 2024, 09:15:42 AM

Nothing can takeaway over 14 years of history of this forum.

The history will remain here, but the majority of people will go to the highest paid forum, leaving here as a historical archive. One more drastic action from theymos and this place is toosed.

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Nothing can takeaway over 14 years of history of this forum.

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The effect of the mixer ban on this forum is that this forum gets rid of unwanted problem with the authorities and avoids the possible scenario of shutting down this forum because of active mixers promotion. But the side effect of this ban is that people move on altcoinstalks. Is that a big deal? No, because altcoinstalks can't offer high paying signature campaign because they don't have traffic and low-paying signature campaigns can't attract traffic because almost every campaign here pays way more than campaigns listed on altcoinstalks.com
If altcoinstalks want to make people move from bitcointalk to their website, they have to invest money into signature campaigns and make them artificially pay higher than others pay on Bitcointalk for a long period of time because they don't have traffic and can't gain a competitive advantage in traffic by simply offering $45 campaigns.

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Quote from: borovichok on January 16, 2024, 05:02:12 AM

I agree with Poker Player it's just a matter of time.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 16, 2024, 04:29:12 AM

Quote from: NotATether on January 16, 2024, 02:41:22 AM

As usual with you, you didn't even bother to read what I explained afterwards. I'll explain it to you in another way.

A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this forum: $250 per week.

A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this altscointalk: $0.

Now: the only campaign that pays the most in this forum: $150.

On altscoinstalk: $45.

A year from now: we'll see.

The purpose of this thread is to warn of what may happen if more restrictions on signatures are imposed, not simply to rejoice in looking at a still photo of what this forum looks like today.

On Bitcointalk lowest start, the major and first payment Sig campaign on Bitcointalk was paying $1.3 cent/month. You'd be lucky to get someone to give you $2-$10 back then, when traffic was similar to that of altcointalk.

Altcointalk lowest payment is $30 per week. Imagine what they'll pay if they ever reach the traffic levels of Bitcointalk. Not forgetting that Altcointalk Sig were paying much lower than the current payrate so we can literally say as the payrate on Bitcointalk dropped ( due to the ban),the payrate on Altcointalk increased. I agree with Poker Player it's just a matter of time.

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Quote from: NotATether on January 16, 2024, 02:41:22 AM

$45 against $150 for the highest-paying campaigns for each site, so yeah you are correct.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 14, 2024, 12:28:17 AM

I assume the campaigns there are paying peanuts compared to here. Also, its got to be a complete spamfest, which is why its not attracting organic traffic. If people want to make a few extra bucks by posting there, good for them. I don't think it will detract from Bitcointalk's status.

$45 against $150 for the highest-paying campaigns for each site, so yeah you are correct.

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Quote from: PX-Z on January 14, 2024, 06:59:08 PM

In relation of traffic and possible income through advertisements, 100% sure, the other one will increase. Theymos as a website admin knows much more than any of us in relation of traffic. That's it doesn't matter to him anymore he knows such thing already, it starts when he stopped sccepting the advertisements here.
And mixers promoting their service is none of his business after banning them here (which he thought about it carefully) so, i said it again it doesn't matter to him anymore.

It matters to him because if we're not here today, he'll have no choice but to close the forum and go on to other things. I'm sure he had no idea what the "after mixer ban" would do to the forum, and he certainly didn't expect altcointalk to swiftly rush in to take advantage. Most people, including myself, expected the mixes' promotion to transfer to the darknet, but that was not the case. I don't use altcointalk, but their activity appears to have jumped by more than 100% and is still increasing. Another one-sided action from theymos, and the forum is over.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 15, 2024, 02:31:07 PM

Other forums always existed to offer something that is not available here, and that is not always bad... maybe we are going to have less spam here Wink

Maybe we're going to be stuck here with old topics and more bumps.

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Poker Player, I like the perspective and concern you shared with this thread of yours. You share in my thought too concerning the increased traffic that should be expected at the new site – altcoinstalk. However, I don't quite agree with your choice of "shitcoinstalks.com" for that site. It's almost like you're already beating it up. Come to think of it, members from here who are teleporting to that forum aren't lightweight and we should expect a tremendous change there soon.

Quote from: nutildah on January 14, 2024, 12:28:17 AM

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Does any organic traffic actually land at that site? Not really. Does it have posts by Satoshi, Hal, Vitalik & other crypto-luminaries of our time? No. Does it have 12 years worth of content & backlinks? No.

That site may be at a disadvantage today compared to BTT but that doesn't exclude a certain level of growth there that we know is coming. We should surely expect a resurgence and adjustment in posting pattern in weeks to come and that will surely increase traffic there. Rome wasn't built in a day, was it? I think we should just give it some time, perhaps a year before making these comparisons and conclusions.