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Topic: The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum. - page 16. (Read 4424 times)

hero member
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Did all the posters you mention "defect" from here to there? If they want to post over there as well, good for them, but I'd be very surprised if they stopped posting here.
Most of the members who have moved to that forum are still active on this forum in fact their activity on this forum is way more on this forum than on that forum.

All of the members have to allocate time on daily basis to post on both forums. A good number of users have moved to that forum, however nothing is wrong if the members can allocate more out of their daily time on another forum.

If someone is ready to put more effort on another forum and also has an account on this forum then that should not be a general issue I guess. The managers also shifted to that forum but they're still more active on this forum.

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The point is, you're trying to protect the current Bitcointalk's traffic right?

In capitalism, competition is inevitable, if sooner or later altcoinstalks can gain a good traffic, the campaign in this forum should increase their payrate to make it better. Isn't this is good? the new campaign is only compete against the other campaigns, but they will need to compete against other campaigns and altcoinstalks in order to get a good poster.
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You look at the still photo, and I'm talking about the possible evolution.

Altcoinstalks is at a severe disadvantage in every relevant metric. No way its going to take a measurable traffic share from Bitcointalk. Did all the posters you mention "defect" from here to there? If they want to post over there as well, good for them, but I'd be very surprised if they stopped posting here.

Sig campaigns are the result of Bitcointalk's traffic, prestige & reputation; not the other way around.

Guess I just fail to understand what the problem here is.
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Does it have posts by Satoshi, Hal, Vitalik & other crypto-luminaries of our time?

No, but it has posts by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner among others. And so far I have counted 4 managers of signatures campaigns of this forum also there.

Does it have 12 years worth of content & backlinks? No.

Here's a quick comparison of the site's traffic metrics according to Similarweb:

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

Bitcointalk Monthly Visits: 1.5 million
Altcoinstalks Monthly Visits: 45.4 thousand

Bitcointalk Traffic Sources: 42.54% Search
Altcoinstalks Traffic Sources: 10.45% Search

You look at the still photo, and I'm talking about the possible evolution.

I assume the campaigns there are paying peanuts compared to here.

At $40 to $45 a week when campaigns here pay between $70 and $120 for Legendary doesn't sound like peanuts to me.

Also, its got to be a complete spamfest,

A complete spamfest by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner? Yeah sure. And every day new users are teleported.

We shouldn't blame the admin for removing Mixers he just wants to make the forum clean and safe.

I don't know why you're responding if you don't even read what I'm saying, and the other one talking about spamfest. I quote it to you to see if it is clear to you:

This is not to criticize theymos' decision to ban mixers,

legendary
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We shouldn't blame the admin for removing Mixers he just wants to make the forum clean and safe.

Why worry about them their forum is not yet the same as Bitcointalk which has more impressions than this forum.
There's no problem for any forum users to teleport there since we can be active here and there(I myself am actually more active here than there).
And I agree the campaign rates there are pretty low and not so active unlike here on the forum.
legendary
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. Does any organic traffic actually land at that site? Not really. Does it have posts by Satoshi, Hal, Vitalik & other crypto-luminaries of our time? No. Does it have 12 years worth of content & backlinks? No.

Here's a quick comparison of the site's traffic metrics according to Similarweb:

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

Bitcointalk Monthly Visits: 1.5 million
Altcoinstalks Monthly Visits: 45.4 thousand

Bitcointalk Traffic Sources: 42.54% Search
Altcoinstalks Traffic Sources: 10.45% Search


I assume the campaigns there are paying peanuts compared to here. Also, its got to be a complete spamfest, which is why its not attracting organic traffic. If people want to make a few extra bucks by posting there, good for them. I don't think it will detract from Bitcointalk's status.
legendary
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As I just said in another thread, I think this topic deserved its own thread.

The main effect that the ban has had is that the mixers have gone to advertise in another forum (shitcoinstalks.com), and with it the campaign managers here as well as a lot of forumers that have been "teleported", being currently active in both forums. I put here the quote of mine from the other thread that I think sums it up well:

I wonder if advertising there has any result. If it has, any forum could do the same, and I really doubt it works that way.

Of course it works that way. If you create a forum today and get the traffic and advertisers there, the advertising will have the same effect as here, but it will be a slow process of change, it will not happen overnight.

I don't have data to know the effect that advertising is having there but if the campaigns are paying about 1/3 of what they were paying here it is because they have made a calculation based on the traffic there and other factors.

Now, once you open the pandora's box you don't know how this can end. If as a result of the increase in traffic and there start to advertise more campaigns and increase rates, then we will see a transfer of traffic from this forum to that, which so far has not happened because most of those who have been teleported are writing campaigns in the two forums and giving priority to this forum because in these campaigns they get paid more.

If in the end the campaigns there, mixers or whatever, in a hypothetical future, will pay as the mixers paid here before, with up to $250 per week and here the ones that are left pay no more than $100 then we will see a real migration of traffic.

This is something theymos should take into account for future restrictions on campaigns, and I think it deserves its own thread. He said he did not expect more restrictions in the near future, as it could be on casino campaigns for example, but he has to be aware that more restrictions in this sense would simply mean that traffic would migrate elsewhere, surely the shitcoinstalk forum, which has seen a business opportunity in this and makes it easier for people to go there "teleporting" which is to keep the rank they have here by simply creating an account with the same name.

If you go to that forum the first thing you see is a link at the top saying:

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To teleport your account from Bitcointalk, click here


This is not to criticize theymos' decision to ban mixers, which I understand in order to prevent greater evils in the future, but it is important to be aware of the danger of traffic transfer if further restrictions are introduced in the future.
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