Topic: The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum. - page 15. (Read 4424 times)

Maybe it's just me but I did notice reduced activity in certain boards of bitcointalk forum, maybe it's not related with new forum rules or maybe it is.
I also heard about few accounts who left the forum because of this change, and we already know services that had to leave.
Despite everything I think that bitcointalk forum still has the best balance of organic conversation with campaign promotions.
Other forums always existed to offer something that is not available here, and that is not always bad... maybe we are going to have less spam here

And that's one thing that can't change, right? Motorola and Nokia also had a great reputation and prestige.


There is no problem currently. I am giving an objective description of what happened and what could happen if more signature bans are imposed in the future. And it is that after 15 days of mixer ban here you have a lot of forum members who have gone to another forum to advertise mixers there. You say that as this is Satoshi's forum there will always be traffic here and I say that maybe yes maybe no, I'd better wait and see.


Well, not exactly, I am saying that what can happen if more restrictions are imposed, as could happen in the future with casino signatures, for example, which is something that theymos did not rule out but said he did not foresee in the near future, is that the traffic will go elsewhere. To think that if more and more campaigns are banned here the traffic is going to stay because this forum has a prestige nowadays seems to me quite naive.

And competition seems great to me, because I am also quite capitalist in ideology, but precisely the competition makes things change.


Today. Do you think that is something that can't change?


I think you are the one who has best understood what I have said but I would qualify that that's what happened at the moment, just 15 days after the mixer ban.


Agreed.


That is mainly what is happening. But there will also be some members who have run out of campaign here and are now posting only or mainly there. Two casino campaigns recently ended here.


Keep on dreaming.


If in the first thing you say you show that you haven't understood what I'm saying, I'm not going to waste my time with you.


That remains to be seen.


It's not that traffic would just slow down here, it would go elsewhere.


Merit "exchanged" for agreeing to disagree. That basis has long since been reduced to the bare minimum in the forum.

In relation of traffic and possible income through advertisements, 100% sure, the other one will increase. Theymos as a website admin knows much more than any of us in relation of traffic. That's why it doesn't matter to him anymore he knows such thing already, it starts when he stopped accepting the advertisements here.
And mixers promoting their service is none of his business after banning them here (which he thought about it carefully) so, i said it again it doesn't matter to him anymore.

Without a doubt traffic elsewhere will increase whether or not it decreases here but I am sure theymos already factored in that possibility in when he made the decision to ban mixers.

I think those that do end up using that forum or another will not give up here because the campaign payments here are higher. They would rather use more than one forum than be restricted to just one if it means making more money.

Just visited one of the mixers that was transferred from here to altcoinstalks and from what they used to pay their users back here, the 50 bucks pay cut is a brutal one. The thing is that the other forum's just not marketable enough for them to pay their users any higher than 30 bucks, and the sad thing about this is that since it's not that profitable, they literally have to play the pioneering game and Oregon trail settlement their shit out which is not that cool especially if you're doing it solely for volunteer work.

It's not like the other forum's bad either, did a couple visits in the heat of the mixer bans discussion and I see how similar these sites are to each other which is a good thing, cause it means people can really just go back and forth from here or there without much issue, but the sheer lack of enthusiasm around people, as well as the extreme profit-centric energy that the site gives out (they pay their users for being good boys with altcoins I think) is a stark contrast to the indie-vibes that we bring about in this forum, where people are still getting paid for sure, but it's not like that's the only thing that we're concerning ourselves with.

One thing is for sure to me after finding out about altcoinstalk and how they work there: bitcointalk will not die if the site loses all its signature campaigns and they switch out to altcoinstalk, but it for sure would be nice if it doesn't end up that way 

Even with all that you have said, we still can't deny the fact that signature campaign here are the major cause of the high traffic and I could bet that if anything was to stop the participation in signature campaigns then the traffic would certainly be dull compare to how it was before. Although I know that this community has gain so much population and popularity and also I agree that discussion here are on another level but the truth is that signature campaign are major core of its much high traffic and that's the truth.

Nah, man, Bitcointalk is a lone warrior in this space, more specifically in forum-style discussions around Bitcoin. Bitcointalk is not in competition with any other xtalk[dot]com.

No "new" forum will ever reach the same level as Bitcointalk is today. They may attract a few hundred or thousand users, but they can't compete at the same level. The reason is not Bitcointalk but other social media platforms. In terms of traffic, user engagement, and marketing, any new forum will be competing with those platforms, not with Bitcointalk.

Bitcointalk remains a discussion-oriented place, although there are no more hardcore technical discussions related to Bitcoin, as those have moved to more suitable spaces like GitHub, etc. However, the original OGs of the Bitcoin era are still here, and they will stay.

Regarding campaign managers or other groups, they follow the wind and won't stay in one place for long.

Do not let this bother you so much, anyone can go anywhere they want to, that is human beings for you, and we are also in a free world. If you hear them, you will think it is Bitcointalk for life, but with little alterations in the forum for the sake of the forum, you see them jumping around. Who doesn't know it is all for the money?

They are doing the double standard without even any patience for the forum at all. Well, I do not see that stopping or reducing the traffic here as you can see, and as it is, those who even went to post in other forums only increased their presence there but have not relinquished their presence here, which makes Bitcointalk better as 75% of posters here may not even bother to go there.

As for theymos, I don't think he reasons things your way. He is probably more concerned about the sanity and integrity of the forum, rather than the traffic you are talking about. "A good name is better than silver and gold."

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Do you think growing over is that cheaper as you may think?
From my little stay over there i don't think is that easy to easily rank up over there and still op is correct on what he is saying just as you said. The restriction of mixers here has given that forum exponential growth from how it was knowing that some of the people here are teleporting their account over there, but still there is nothing wrong with that but they should be careful in terms of teleporting accounts to avoid account compromised even entirely losing their account due to high rate of teleportation, they could easily use their login details over here to make account there by so doing they have revealed their main account password to other site which easily to be hacked and that could be done by admin.

What i mostly noticed is that there are people who so much care about their privacy, I am also a member over there but then it was so dull on my eyes to comprehend and even to move around because it's not as same as this place and I find it very hard to post over because of its poorly design nature.

Then talks about how mixers have moved down over there, well there are some mixer that has invested hugely by holding contest after few months to start establishing themselves it was then the announcement of limiting mixers they had no option than to move down there since that place lack reputable posters and users, there is no day they would start paying huge amount as same as here but I think with gradually process they would increase their offer but, that doesn't mean that people won't still stick around here to gain information and gets themselves updated on a regular basis.

I also see no sense to limit people from here over there because there are people who solely believe on privacy so even though they are getting paid for be around there it's good to make themselves familiarize over the forum I also believe that with the look out of things certainly payment are going to increase after they noticed they've gain enough traffic or even succeeded gaining the attention of most of the reputable users from here.

I am also in support to Theymos decision to ban mixers over here, all this was for a reason of safety of this site instead of here will be ceased by any government agencies it's better to limit mixers and I believe there will be no further limitation of project but if there's any theymos will surely make an announcement towards that so there is no need to crucify those who teleported their account over there the main thing is about choice and nothing much again nothing changes.

I think bitcointalk will not die even if there are no more campaigns here. Bitcoin users are already ideological and this is where Bitcoin was born. Even though I haven't followed the campaign for a long time, the discussions on this forum are quite interesting, I'm still here and not yet interested in altcointalk. I don't know the future...

Apart from that, this forum is also not intended to make a profit from advertising so it doesn't matter if there is a slight decrease in traffic because maybe this forum is dedicated only to supporting bitcoin, not for profit like altcointalk

I am not too familiar with that forum but I think it makes sense over time some members will go there and use both forums. In the end, virtually every person associated with the forum has that link because of financial incentives.

If members here could make money at a different forum at $30-$40 per week while still making $70-$80 here, they will do it because they will receive an extra income. Now that there is a mixers ban here, it will probably expedite the sign-up elsewhere and if does not impact immediately it will definitely do so over time.

With alternatives out there, members will use other forums and with that increase in traffic and popularity will increase even if takes time.

There's no decision that wouldn't come with a side effect. The ban might look harsh now but Theymos been cautious had to protect the forum future the best way he can.

About the Altcointalk, The forum despite its efforts feels too young and lacks substantial information regarding various topics.
If i want to gain something i come to Bitcointalk and it has this comfortable feeling here unlike Altcointalk.
Everybody there are still active here. There's no way they would forfeit BTT for ATT.
Personally took it as an opportunity since its relatively new and would be easier to build a presence there not to mention no extra bucks for Minimal effort would be turned down.

$40 a peanut? Yes but accumulated in BTC continuously? Now that's a DCA.

If OP really tries the forum, you would understand the difference between it and Btt.
With time maybe people would start having a homely feeling with it but currently its a place to gain extra bucks.


One can get scared on the traffic if(not when) all signatures gets banned in Bitcointalk
That i believe would have a blow in our traffic.
Despite all this people would still be around
People came when Bitcoin was barely a dollar
Not to mention when its in 6-7 figures.
As long as Bitcoin exist. Bitcointalk would always be Dominant. Always.

Nobody ever abandoned their good car; they still have it, but the ban on mixers only presented them with an alternative (jalopy) that also drives, so it's acceptable to say they now have two cars instead of one. And if good car is ever stolen, they will have something to fall back on at home.

The ban on mixers on BTT opened up opportunities for everyone to earn money elsewhere while still having a presence here. ATL forum is the new found gold.

I made a note that I do not condemn such people. They have a reason: the need for finance. But I'm also talking about those other people who will exchange the convenience of a good car for any jalopy that somehow moves.

lol...interesting!! why do you think they won't? Lovesmay - everything might seem okay but, there isn't an oath of commitment or whatsoever, that bonds anyone in here ... It's solely about everyone's personal interest, which might be different from the purpose of which the forum was created... The fact that you never knew about signatures before getting registered might be true, but for some, signatures acted like the "catalyst"..
if that should matter to anyone, it should be THEYMOS himself...
..and what's this capitalism/breaking of monopoly stuff that you speak of? Are you aware that this site was created by the FOUNDER(Satoshi) himself?

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This is the stats for December.
In October before Mixer Drama's global rank for Altcoinstalks was #1,546,457. I would say there is significant growth. However, it is still early for any analyses and conclusions.




At some point Altt admin himself confirmed that these two forums cannot be compared. Simply, BTT is No. 1 not only as a forum but for the Bitcoin ecosystem itself. Altt is there as a supplement and is more dedicated to other cryptocurrencies. About Bitcoin itself and the services related to it, there is certainly a much better discussion here with many more relevant participants and information.

Certainly, this whole mixer ban will change some things.


Even if he criticizes, it is not forbidden.
As far as I know, this forum is still open for everyone to express their opinion. I criticized that decision and I still have the same opinion, but if it is the admin's decision for the long-term protection of the forum, I understand it. In the end, the only choice I have is to accept such a decision.

OP isn't criticizing theymos decision to ban mixers. He only pointed out the effect of mixer ban in Bitcointalk. But I think that there is no problem anywhere. Theymos decision simply favoured Altcoinstalks forum, and did not take any traffic off from bitcointalk.
BTT just gave Altt some number of participants and did not lose any. It is just about those that has the ability to dualize.
If today theymos makes a rule that it is either you are here or there, but not both, everyone will immediately desert there. But that is not a rule that theymos will make.
Maybe theymos is somewhat happy that another forum got lucky by his decision. Having an alternative forum is fine, incase theymos falls out of love with the US government. So, there's nothing to bother. Where I think will be an issue is in the case of newbies. If the DT bullies here are not lenient on newbies, they might likely run to the other forum where growth is faster and without merits

Why will users switch to another forum? There is still a company signature for mixers, but they pay much cheaper than here. This only means that both forums are used to make money. Remove all company signatures from both forums today; you will see those who are interested in Bitcoin or other crypto. And also, who will have more traffic.
But another interesting fact is how easily people are willing to exchange for small things, agreeing to do the same thing only for a much lower price. Can we blame them? This only indicates their financial need.
But there is also the factor of convenience and habit. Today I visited that forum for the second time since 2018, and I feel uncomfortable there.