Topic: The impact of Russian and Ukrain war on world economy - page 19. (Read 13245 times)

I agree with you that the year 2022 proved that Europe can abandon Russian energy resources after Russia reduced its supplies to record levels. Russia thought that it could punish Europe by putting pressure on the energy file, but it forgot that damage would befall its economy, which forced it to sell its products at less than half the price to China and India, and resort to Turkey to establish a gas distribution station instead of using the old methods.
Perhaps it is also fortunate for Europe that the winter this year was not severely cold, which provided it with additional energy resources, in addition to gaining enough time to search and find alternatives to Russian gas and oil.

Yes, I agree, the tone of my answer was sarcastic. I apologize !
But, at the same time, I gave extremely real numbers and indicators. I always adhere to reality and the truth, even if it is not pleasant to me, or acts against me. But it is true, it is a reality and it is foolish to deny it.

Regarding the value of Russia as a source of fossil sources. This status is also exaggerated. To a greater extent, this is propaganda and an objectively successful plan of the USSR / Russia to form the dependence of the European economy on Russian energy carriers. But as you can see now, this myth also collapsed. Germany, France, Italy had a real dependence. Sometime in the 60-70-90s of the last century, some powerful European politicians simply sold their countries in exchange for corruption schemes proposed by the Kremlin corrupt officials. But... In 2022, from summer to autumn, it turned out that it was possible to find alternative suppliers that are adequate and keep their obligations.

not only the European Union felt the impact of the war between Russia and Ukraine, Asia also felt the impact. with the scarcity of people's needs impacting on high market prices, with the limited supply of wheat from these two countries, we have to pay a lot of money for our needs. this is a form of the impact of the war between Russia and Ukraine in my opinion

I may be wrong about the economic ranking that Russia occupies globally, I may have confused things, or my information is not updated. I think your comment was somewhat sarcastic, and my answer does not deserve all this intensity.
However, we cannot overlook the fact that Russia represents one of the most important sources of energy with which the modern world operates. And most of its conflicts and alliances with international parties are based mainly on that energy force. And according to the data you published, it can be explained that Russia is fighting a regional war and other wars by proxy in several places in the world, is to strengthen its economic position.

no offense
Tell me - are you lying so openly because you feel sorry for Russia, or simply do not have global information, and broadcast what someone told you, but did not provide data?

I will explain, and you and anyone else can check this: Russia is not even in the TOP 10 in terms of the scale of the economy.

And this despite the fact that more than 50% of its "power" is the sale of what they dug up or sucked out of the ground

But from the point of view of influence on the world economy, excluding oil and gas, the value of Russia on a global scale generally vanishes to 0. Try to prove the opposite?


UN data: Easily verified. Will you show the data where Russia is in third place? According to your OPINION, but most likely according to your imagination! Let's laugh all over the forum ))



Ranking Economy GDP ($ million)
Worldwide 85,804,390.60
1 United States of America 20,494,100.00
2 China 13,608,151.86
3 Japan 4,970,915.56
4 Germany 3,996,759.29
5 UK 2,825,207.95
6 France 2,777,535.24
7 India 2,726,322.62
8 Italy 2,073,901.99
9 Brazil 1,868,626.09
10 Canada 1,712,510.03

Can your opinion be considered a personal position, or is it based on sources? Russia is currently the third most powerful economy in the world, and any impact that may affect its economy could threaten the economy of the planet in one way or another. It is never easy to say that no one needs Russia.

What you are saying sounds like the war will end once Russian or Ukrainian nation will collapse, which I think and hope, won't happen. I also don't think that war will intensely continue for years because it will destroy to earth Russia's economy and since Russia has nuclear weapon, what's the point of destroying your country alone? Why won't they use it in case war continues for years and their country is falling apart? One would say that there are families behind these politicians but I think aim is greater for them then family members.

Just two questions:

• In which European countries are mass economical and anti-NATO protests?
• Which European countries suppress these protests, if they exist, violently?

It really turned into dead weight in the last years of Soviet Union. Btw this doesn't mean that Soviet-Union was a failure for Russia, no but it turned into failure because of very high corruption and nepotism in socialistic country. Let me explain, in the soviet union, government was owning every business and people were following their commands but this turned into a problem itself because since the business was owned by their government, directors and managers of branches were stealing from their places because it wasn't their personal wealth but the wealth owned by government. So, finally this bubble burst and then the soviet fell.
Putin wants to rebuild Soviet Union because he will have access on more land and more workforce but to be honest, he has to make Russia good place at first because Russia is poor, cities other than Moscow and Saint Petersburg are really dead cities. If he rebuilds soviet union, it will be death in other countries and cities too because they aren't able to build good countyies.

Do you really think someone needs Russia? Who will attack her?
Are you seriously ?!
FOR WHAT
Resources - this is how Russia happily digs them, cleans them, wraps them in packaging - as it is ordered, and gladly exchanges them for either dollars or yuan! Why capture and try to control 80-90 million people, if they can send papers and they will do all the work like slaves?
Destroy and weaken? FOR WHAT ? There are already thieves and criminals in power in the Kremlin, who are plundering Russia at a devastating pace, and are making every effort to degrade the population and even openly destroy it! Only China needs Russia - and then in order to return part of its historical territories in a revealing way! The rest of the world does not need Russia! Just take it and simulate - what will happen if Russia disappears from the world map tomorrow? What will change? I'm talking about negative changes? NO, nothing in the world will change - it will not noticeably! But there will be a positive - the world will live more calmly, many terrorist regimes and groups will soon cease to exist, because. their uterus and main sponsor died!

Recently I read an interesting opinion about the Russian war in Ukraine and that the Russian occupiers deliberately neglect any moral, ethical and legal norms on the territory of Ukraine in order to humiliate the West and with the help of an anti-Western coalition consisting of Russia, China, Iran and North Korea pursue its own policy, which will not be based on common European values, but on the right of the strong. With the war in Ukraine, therefore, Russia and its allies are trying to establish a new world order with completely different values.

Link to article:
https://zn.ua/POLITICS/rf-kitaj-iran-i-kndr-planirujut-sozdat-antizapadnyj-mirovoj-porjadok-mezhdunarodnyj-tsentr-issledovanij-ukrainy.html

Are you really not worried about the wild dissonance in what you say and what the Kremlin squeals to the whole world?
It is strange to hear your mantras for self-hypnosis, despite the fact that:
- The Russian economy is "bursting at the seams"
- Huge holes in the budget
- Isolation of an already very weak economy from the world economy. Before the start of the war against Ukraine, Russia's share in the world economy was 1.8%, now it is no more than 1%. Russia has become a raw material appendage of China and India
- The defeat of the army, and the complete fiasco of the tale of "unparalleled Russian weapons." Loss of the arms market, where until recently Russia held a leading position
- The status of a pariah country, now for decades.
- Impoverishment and degradation of the Russian population
- Loss of the largest oil and gas market - the EU
... you can list the "benefits of sanctions" for a long time
Do you seriously want to say that these are all positive changes?

There is an interesting piece from the Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-wagner-troops-exhaust-ukrainian-forces-in-bakhmut-b58e726c

It explains how Russia is using "expendable" troops (i.e prisoners fighting under the banner of PMC Wagner) to wage an attritional warfare against the best trained Ukrainian units within Bakhmut. For Russia, sending prisoners to die in the frontline is much more preferable to sending regular soldiers. On the other hand, Ukraine doesn't have any such option and they are wasting some of their best trained soldiers in this city. And despite all the rumors about Russia running out of ammo, the article states that it is the Ukrainians who are short of ammunition.

Everything will end as soon as putin withdraws his troops from the territory of Ukraine, then there is a high probability that the crisis will be reduced.many are waiting for the war to end, people must stop dying.

Yes, the mercenaries who are known to fight alongside with Ukraine are mostly American and Poles but that is because they don't have any reasons to be afraid of as their motherland will always come to protect them and get them at any cost especially in the times of war. And the easiest part is, these mercenaries doesn't have to get any permit just to fight alongside with Ukrainians.
But along with other reports, there are indeed some Syrian mercenaries who came to Ukraine to help the forces from defending there land, but these news are not that known because they are kept behind the shadows.

Even Zelensky has said tens of thousands of foreign fighters are in Ukraine and they are advertising the "invitation" 24/7 globally both physically (banners and such) and on the internet like fightforua[.]org

That is irrelevant to my comment because whether or not Russia is hiring others to fight their atrocious war doesn't change the fact that ISIS is now part and parcel of Armed Forces of Ukraine.
BTW most of these terrorists who were shipped from Syria are not Syrians, many of them are actually European.

It is a pity that you feed on informational fakes, and do not want to return to reality

- Zelensky (at the same time I will clarify right away - I am not his supporter, but I respect him as the choice of the population of my country) - the commander in chief. He has the right to simply give an order that must be carried out
- Unfortunately, you also do not understand and do not want to study what Bakhmut is! Which, by the way, through propaganda channels, Russia has already "taken" ten times since last spring
And why is he still being held.
Recommendation
1. learn how the logistics of the Russian terrorist army are built.
2. look at the map, Bakhmut's location, and what else is around.
3. Specify how many manpower and equipment of the terrorists destroyed the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction
3. Compare the information from paragraph 1, paragraph 2 and paragraph 3
And you will be able to make an amazing discovery for you What is the real goal of keeping a small regional town!

PS. I believe that today the stronghold of the defenders of Ukraine from terrorists has fulfilled its mission, this area can be left so as not to create risks for our soldiers. The destruction of the terrorists will continue from the previously prepared fortified areas just to the west of Bakhmut. We are not Russians - we protect our citizens, and do not use the practice of "throwing the enemy with the bodies of our soldiers until the enemy runs out of ammunition"

If you can’t draw a conclusion - tell me, and I will tell you everything in detail and without the information, fakes and fictions familiar to your sources

Ukraine, unlike Russia, did not turn to other countries to help her with manpower. So far, Ukraine has enough of its own soldiers, as well as a number of volunteers from other countries. But not from Syria. It is Russia that hires the Syrians, promising them big money for participating in the war against Ukraine. They go, despite the danger of dying, in order to somehow support their families financially.
As evidence that Syria is helping Russia in the war, the  information that has appeared is that a Russian ship entered Chernoye, presumably with a Syrian military cargo.
https://www.ukr.net/news/details/world/96099187.html

 

... And of course, the whole world, for a long time and unequivocally knows that all NATO troops and Syrian rebels - all of them are talking about either Ukrainian or in Russian! Otherwise, they are not taken to NATO or to Syrian rebels!

If you make such a conclusion based on technical support, then according to this concept - you are an American Yes - you have an American Internet, American computer, American letters on the keyboard, with an American operating system! Feel how idiocy looks from the outside, is it really funny?

Question: On the one hand, the apologists of Russian propaganda screech that mobilization does not stop in Ukraine and hundreds of thousands, ordinary Ukrainians are taken to the front. You claim that these are all NATO soldiers and Syrians. The question is - which of you is primitively lying? Or maybe both? )))

It is a pity that you feed on informational fakes, and do not want to return to reality

- Zelensky (at the same time I will clarify right away - I am not his supporter, but I respect him as the choice of the population of my country) - the commander in chief. He has the right to simply give an order that must be carried out
- Unfortunately, you also do not understand and do not want to study what Bakhmut is! Which, by the way, through propaganda channels, Russia has already "taken" ten times since last spring
And why is he still being held.
Recommendation
1. Learn how the logic of the Russian terrorist army is built.
2. look at the map, Bakhmut's location, and what else is around.
3. Specify how many manpower and equipment of the terrorists destroyed the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction
3. Compare the information from paragraph 1, paragraph 2 and paragraph 3
And you will be able to make an amazing discovery for you What is the real goal of keeping a small regional town!

If you can’t draw a conclusion - tell me, and I will tell you everything in detail and without the information, fakes and fictions familiar to your sources

The presence of Takfiri terrorists (who aren't all Syrian even though they're transferred from there) can be verified from 3 sources:
1. The eye witnesses in Syria seeing the transfer of these troops usually with the help of Turkey and US over the past year to Ukraine. And the fact that their numbers in places like Idlib has decreased.
2. The videos showing them inside Ukraine fighting on Ukraine's side even among the high ranks
3. The methods of fighting that is being used like the Urban Warfare which these terrorists have a lot of experience in because of what they did to Syria, or like using quadcopters to drop grenades on foot soldiers which has ISIL written all over it.

But I agree that the number of them and what percentage they have in armed forces of Ukraine is disputable considering there isn't any reliable stats out there yet.

Prigozhin’s call to Zelensky to withdraw Ukrainian troops from Bakhmut, since it is supposedly surrounded and that it is mostly old people and children who are fighting there, is ordinary Russian propaganda that passes off wishful thinking. Even the place of this statement turned out to be far from Bakhmut.

Now the defense of Bakhmut plays the role of inflicting the greatest damage to the attacking Russian forces in terms of manpower and equipment. Behind Bakhmut there is a bare steppe and it is very convenient to shoot the attackers from the city skyscrapers, which are visible at a glance. Therefore, the Russians lose seven times more of their soldiers there than the Ukrainians. A retreat from Bakhmut would have meant that the Russian horde would have advanced further and begun to destroy the next Ukrainian settlement to the ground. But recently, Russian troops have come close to the city buildings and the battles have mainly been fought in the city itself. Therefore, the Ukrainian command changed the tactics of defending Bakhmut: over the past 24 hours, ordinary motorized units were withdrawn and replaced with fresh troops of special operations forces, who trained specifically for fighting in the city. Ukrainian troops have been holding the defenses of Bakhmut since May last year, and the remnants of the invading Russian regular army and more than 40,000 of the 50,000 members of the Wagner PMC have perished under it.

Volunteers from some states, such as Belarus and Russia, are fighting on the side of Ukraine, who hope, thanks to the victory of Ukraine, to overthrow dictators in their countries or Georgia, who want to eventually liberate part of the territory of their country from Russian occupation. But their numbers are relatively small. Most of the fighting is carried out by Ukrainians. As for the mercenaries from Syria, they are fighting not on the side of Ukraine, but on the side of Russia.