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legendary
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I agree, it is much safer to use a licensed casino than a reputable non-licence casino because the latter is not bound by the law.
It depends on the issuer of the license and on the gambling authorities monitoring the compliance with the requirements of the license. So if the casino is licensed in an european, north american, or even a small western country you can be rather confident but if its license comes from a carribean or a small latin american country, I don't think it's highly relevant to consider it as more trustworthy than a reputable non-licensed casino, because it's more likely to avoid any trouble if it pays the price to the good guy.
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I find it hard to believe that online casinos are 100% clean of cheating, I know that most licensed online casinos have audited games by third-party auditors but still, I wonder why many lose more than they make actually, they claim their games are probably fair like many are saying but it doesn't look that way to me.

It looks like the fairness is only in the favor of the casino owners and not the gamblers, I would rather open my own line gambling business and companies around the country than use my hard-earned money to gamble from time to time.

I still gamble, but not every time like most people, it's more like a lucky game to me which makes me less active with gambling, now I play twice a week and that's it, even if I lost twice in the week, I won't try again until the following week.
legendary
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These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).
Correct, also it is worth mentioning that those casinos which are small or new (founded with not much capital) are more likely to use unrefined cheating techniques than those described by OP (from the youtube comments), and so easier to spot by gamblers.

We can talk about high technology materials and computer guided roulettes, but effectively and stealthy using those things can be very expensive and risky (for obvious reasons). Big casinos which could easily cheat do not do that because it is not worth it to burn their reputation and open themselves to lawsuits, they are already profitable. Small shady casinos may try to use some hidden magnets instead all of that.  Tongue
They didn't mention a specific casino which means they are referring to all (old or new, famous or not famous). It's normal for a new casino to have a limited capital but there are new casinos who prepared really well because they already have a bigger capital on them. I believe it's not about the capital but even if the casino has a big capital, it is still possible for them to scam their users.

A big capital can only be use as a prop for the players to gain confidence about them. Big established casinos don't need to cheat because they are earning enough already. There are people who play live games thinking they are fairer but it's actually the opposite if the theory is true.
legendary
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Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).
Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

They do check the platform if it is in compliance with their standard.  I also believe game providers are also checked if they are implementing the standard.  It maybe happen rarely but I think regulatory board does checks for audits and other purposes. 

If a casino is cheating their players with techniques such as the one described by OP, it's only the players that can make a change for it if they come to know about it, they can boycott the casino and spread the word around so that everyone else does that too.

Players can file a complaint to the authority.  If the casino is proven guilty they can be fined or revoked their license and forbid them to operate.  In short... depending on the severity of the offense, the casino might be take down by the regulatory board.

Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.
You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.
^But still safe for me to use a licensed gambling casino.
There is possible that with the advancement of technology and the internet, licensing authorities are now able to monitor online casinos more closely, which has helped to improve the overall safety and security of the industry. I watched the video and it seems that is true I don't have an idea what casino it is, so possible someone casino risking their licensure because of this scamming activity.

I agree, it is much safer to use a licensed casino than a reputable non-licence casino because the latter is not bound by the law.
hero member
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Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.
You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.
^But still safe for me to use a licensed gambling casino.
There is possible that with the advancement of technology and the internet, licensing authorities are now able to monitor online casinos more closely, which has helped to improve the overall safety and security of the industry. I watched the video and it seems that is true I don't have an idea what casino it is, so possible someone casino risking their licensure because of this scamming activity.
legendary
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in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.
This video is interesting but they don't tell where come from those footages. I'm sorry but if they've found that a live casino provider is cheating players they have to clearly say who is it. They can't just suggest things. I wouldn't be surprised if a small land-based casino was rigging its games despite the house edge giving them a guaranteed income actually, but I highly doubt a big casino provider could do it, because it would be a suicide. Millions of players are gambling at those casinos around the world and can record their games. And in addition of instantly killing their business and having to close their doors they would have to face lawsuits from the online casinos they are working with, along with the final customers.
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It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.
It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.
Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.

There are somethings we need to pay a very careful attention to while gambling, user's experience which us very important because when they don't get their desired need meant, they will not return again, when a casino or slot game tend to have tendencies for scam or gamblers begin to suspect some unusual activities from what they offer, they take a leave because they get scammed, thesame way gamblers scam them they also scam gamblers if they got hacked or loose control of their security against scam.
hero member
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It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.
It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.
What's the connection of that with a TV? And how can a casino use a TV to cheat its players? They require computer systems and programs, etc. And it's not even proven correct but it's just a concept explained by someone without any authentic proof or anything. I personally have never heard of anything like that, and I don't think it could have been hidden for so long if it was true.

Cheating in sports can't be done by the casino, though they can play with the odds irregularly, customers will surely notice that, and if a sportsbook is once caught cheating, no one will ever place any bets with them again.
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Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.
You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.
And checking is something that would really be that in surprise and not something that would be announced earlier because it would be pointless because on the time that these shady casinos or to those who do
loved to rigged out their games would be able to hide those shady stuffs which they've been using on rigging up the game which means that if the authorities would be making out some inspection then they wouldnt find anything and would considered for the platform or company to be fair and safe and when theyre gone then adding it up again and starting on ripping off their users.
Also other possible thing is that they might be easily to bribe officials on skipping and just like nothing happened.
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Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.
You do have a point here. Licensing authorities won't be able to check everything properly, but they still check thoroughly these days which is better than the authorities in the past who hardly checked anything.

Also, the scammy roulette tables are few and far in between since most casinos avoid taking such crazy risks for quick profits.
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Shifting to other gambling sight can't increase your chance of winning, because most probably they are being run with the same purpose, which is to make money for the casinos. Well, this might be a big exploitations but who will believe on this? Is this enough to stop gamblers from playing on such game? Seriously I don't think this one will count, gamblers will still paly that game for some reason, its hard to accept the truth for most of the addicted gamblers.
Maybe we won't have a better chance by switching to another gambling platform, but at least we can get a different experience and taste that we might not have found in a casino before. It also helps us to refresh our minds because we have experienced the experience of losing in casinos before. But we will never know what is in the mind of each gambler. Like me, sometimes I move to another casino to see the promotions in other casinos and maybe deposit some money and play some gambling in that casino. The results may remain the same because, in gambling games, it depends on our luck with us.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And sadly some casinos cheat players by implementing modified higher house edge games and others even rigged machines or cheat players with a fast hand host just like this video[1].  In a normal gameplay, casino had already the edge but some shady casinos even pump that edge higher by doing illegal stuff to assure that their player will lost 100%
If the casino cheats on the player, maybe the player should find another casino that won't cheat him. And I think the player's feeling of whether the game is cheating him or not can feel it so that the player can know what to do. An experienced gambler would know because he could feel it. But the real concern is with beginners, who are inexperienced in finding honest casinos.
legendary
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Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).
Do you really think that the licensing authorities check every casino registered with them to see if they are cheating their players or not internally? There is no chance for that, they are probably too busy with other stuff and don't really investigate a casino internally unless there are so many complaints received, I'm not even sure if they give any attention to user complaints or not.

If a casino is cheating their players with techniques such as the one described by OP, it's only the players that can make a change for it if they come to know about it, they can boycott the casino and spread the word around so that everyone else does that too.
legendary
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unless there is a trusted third part that would made some evaluation about roulette and relative ball used yes... it could be potentially possible any kind of manipulation.
But in a certain way, I think it's not the main intention of casino, just because...this is a game with an house edge and casino will end in a profit if people continue to play...
moreover potentially any casino games could be rigged, that's why I say each play carefully only for fun and with an amount that people could afford to loss!
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So obviously all of these wins from roulette are just planted in the entire history that it exists and even if they weigh those balls it's still would have results they wanted? My life has all been a lie then. I'm not that of a roulette fan but very certain that I want to avoid this game in the future or never play at all.
Many will still ask for a proof and they will not believe on this easily, well this is how gambling works and even the top site have their own hidden strategy to get more wins over the gamblers. If you want to fee that you are safe from any cheating then play on physical casinos with the card games. Playing with slots are also possible to get cheated, just try to have fun and try to unseen this.
To conclude it then, is that they all cheat? Well, it would be luck then if you win on their games, sad that this is already going around but I think this may not stop those who really wants to gamble even if the risk of getting cheated is there. I think card games are way more honest or I'll just stay on sports betting.

Sounds like bad publicity. I do remember a group of people who were able to cheat on the casinos on the roulette. They made stats on where the ball fell and detected roulettes that had a slight tendency to make the ball fall on certain areas and they bet on these. They eventually got caught, but not before they got a very good retunr on their idea. I guess this is the opposite digital case.
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It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.
It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.
Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.
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I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.
It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.
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Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.
You need to do your own research instead of relying on others. Some of these youtubers do expose scams while some others work with scam sites in order to lure in naive gamblers to those platforms.
True, friends, some people do it for work and get some money from the casino he is promoting and some others expose scam casinos to remind gamblers not to become victims and can also take advantage of the scam casino's reputation to attract gamblers to have more trust in the casino he has to offer.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.
Chill. These cheating strategies are used rarely these days in less popular casinos which is why most roulette tables are legit.
If we think and do all the research to find fraudulent strategies carried out by casinos, there will be many acts of manipulation and fraud carried out by most unpopular casinos.
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Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.
You need to do your own research instead of relying on others. Some of these youtubers do expose scams while some others work with scam sites in order to lure in naive gamblers to those platforms.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.
Chill. These cheating strategies are used rarely these days in less popular casinos which is why most roulette tables are legit.
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Such thing is possible, remember movies wherein cheating is in form of a switch in roulettes? Quite silly but it is wlso possible. But what can we do? Move to other platforms or change the game you are playing or simply take a pause. Nit because a platform scams or fools you in roulette, it would already mean that other platforms as well would do so; roulette have not exist for years in this industry for nothing. There are people who enjoys playing it and that is I think an enough reason to not generalize. It is not on the game but on the platforms you are playing at. We just cannot order people to avoid a game just because of such possibility.

An Average Joe can't find out if some specific games are rigged. Highly experienced players who do some research can find out which one is rigged. I would appreciate it if someone could find them with proof and expose them. If such a thing is possible, as shown in the video, here is something to worry about. Every game is not rigged. The Platform behind it is doing such a thing.

The Youtube Channel RouletteMan shared the video. So, they must be experienced, and if they are aware of such things, Why don't they expose such platforms? Or they are making money from them too? If you know which one is rigged, suggest which one is not. So we can play on a fair platform.

I am worried now. Roulette is one of the most played games. It's been around since the 18th century. I don't know if there were some kind of cheating back then. I don't play Roulette that much. But, This game has a huge fanbase.
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This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.
All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.
while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.
Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And sadly some casinos cheat players by implementing modified higher house edge games and others even rigged machines or cheat players with a fast hand host just like this video[1].  In a normal gameplay, casino had already the edge but some shady casinos even pump that edge higher by doing illegal stuff to assure that their player will lost 100%


And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

True that, if we are not lucky in one gambling platform, we can check our luck on another platform.  Since gambling games have random result, it is logical to try our luck in another platform.



[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PGasgpAJ1o
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