Topic: This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us" - page 13. (Read 2073 times)

Correct, also it is worth mentioning that those casinos which are small or new (founded with not much capital) are more likely to use unrefined cheating techniques than those described by OP (from the youtube comments), and so easier to spot by gamblers.

We can talk about high technology materials and computer guided roulettes, but effectively and stealthy using those things can be very expensive and risky (for obvious reasons). Big casinos which could easily cheat do not do that because it is not worth it to burn their reputation and open themselves to lawsuits, they are already profitable. Small shady casinos may try to use some hidden magnets instead all of that. 

Some casinos definitely cheat in creative ways in order to make sure that their business stays in profit overall, but they are part of the minority these days thanks to all the licensing authorities, anti-cheat protocols etc.

This kind of stuff just adds an extra layer of risk on top of all the risks involved with gambling.

These issues are usually prevalent in new and small casinos for obvious reasons. This is why research is crucial before investing in any casino(Online and Offline).

Let's just accept the fact that the goal of casinos is to make money and keep their business running and yes, despite these manipulation and cheating issues, gamblers will still play and gamble. Being addicted to gambling is a personal choice though it is the main problem of many gamblers nowadays. Roulette is also addictive so no wonder why there are still lots of roulette players despite the doubts and controversies.

Shifting to other gambling sight can't increase your chance of winning, because most probably they are being run with the same purpose, which is to make money for the casinos. Well, this might be a big exploitations but who will believe on this? Is this enough to stop gamblers from playing on such game? Seriously I don't think this one will count, gamblers will still paly that game for some reason, its hard to accept the truth for most of the addicted gamblers.

Never gamble if you don't want to lose is the best advice. But the problem is that many people play gambling at first out of curiosity and after playing gambling several times, they become addicted and become more aggressive in gambling. They also deposit larger amounts of money than before and are tempted to keep playing so they can win.

And we also don't know when we can get lucky. But we can have accounts on many gambling platforms and play gambling on each account regularly because our luck will come at one of these casinos.

This is the sad reality in gambling that the team or the company will always win and we as gamblers are being fooled many times , so if you are not willing to lose and be taken your money then dont gamble at all.
while it is easy , that is also being use for abused like this.

They won't be making any profit if the player doesn't lose.  The house edge is there to give an advantage to the house to win and it does not earn money for itself especially when the player is winning.  So there is really a major reason for those cheaters to act illegaly so that they can 100% sure that players will lose.


Obviously honest small casinos will go for marketing and advertisement in order to gather more players to play on their platform.  They will implement strategy that will boost the platform exposure but obviously, fraud gambling casinos will cheat in order to get money from unsuspecting players.


There are lots of cases where sports game results are rigged.  It has been happening since when we are yet to be born in this world.  Even the internet can show lots of these cases just like this youtube videos compilation of 10 rigged moments in sports.

Thanks, you can watch from 03:06 here the highlights, this is where the umpires started "siding" with the cubs, no one even mentions this in the comments, but whoever watched the full game can see how the umpires started siding with the Cubs, including weird "Strike" calls against the As and lots of "Balls" for the Cubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPQ97ZpCKrU

Also see it for yourself, how many "Walks" the umpires gave the Cubs on the 6th to allow them to win:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-athletics/2023/04/19/718506/final/wrap/all



You can also look at it from a different angle - so many times in the MLB the game "all of a sudden" gets decided in the 4th/5th/6th inning where one team is scoring many runs due to the umpires or a "bad" pitcher. As if in the first 4 innings they take more and more and more live bets and then - boom, here's your "winner" (or very poor odds for the next move). You can look at it from many angles - bottom line is:

The way "Professional" sports are being played today makes 0 sense, in the NBA the game could go "under" for 3.5 quarters and then in the last 6 minutes they can foul each other and score 70+ points or the opposite, the sports as it is nowadays makes 0 sense.

Again, lots of people are attacking such statements in order to protect the credibility of sports, and being in several NBA games - the event itself is fun, absolutely, especially if you don't bet on it, lots of music and entertainment besides the game itself (timeouts are more fun than the game itself) - but the credibility of what's happening? It just doesn't feel right.

It's like this roulette scam - feels like even in sports the result should be 10 but "suddenly" it is moved to be 31, so the same thing can happen and will happen not only in small leagues but also in the big leagues - in fact, if you really know how to "read" those things - by all means bet on it, make your fortune by siding with these crooks lol.

I suppose that manipulations are also possible in card games. In fact, if we are talking about very slight differences in physics (ceramics, aleations...) which can decisively vary the output in order to favour the house, anything is possible.

I cannot assess whether the information given in this video is real. I have not the expertise to do that, nor access to the system in order to make the experiment myself. So, although the scam is ideally possible, how probable is it?

Roulette as a system is already built in order to be profitable for the casino, and it is legal. Building and using fake roulettes is definitely illegal and the owner could end in jail if found guilty, so I don't think it is worth the risk. Anyway, it is also true that greed knows no limits sometimes.

To conclude it then, is that they all cheat? Well, it would be luck then if you win on their games, sad that this is already going around but I think this may not stop those who really wants to gamble even if the risk of getting cheated is there. I think card games are way more honest or I'll just stay on sports betting.

I also agree with GetPaid, every game can be rigged, and there are fixed/rigged sports and gambling games around. Some of them are so obvious like in the video shared by OP, and there are other videos I have seen. This Marrocan tennis player fixed 135 matches... crazy. That reminded me of the thread from some time ago: An obvious rigging of Sports..

And it seems that in this world everything comes down to that  "when it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted". I guess the only thing we can do is to "gamble with money we can afford to lose", so even if we get scammed it will not hurt much.

Physical games like live roulette are definitely too sketchy nowadays. I would rather see a digital version with open source and audited security/functionality and fairness (audited by a trustworthy third party, and not just a smart contract security audit, like certik).

But as far as the physics goes, the explanation checks out. I also think simple electromagnetic plates underneath the numbers with alternating polarity as well as magnetic field strength and a magnetic ball could be used to the same effect.

Usually this can be expected of Casinos that do not have real/any gaming licenses. Real licensed casinos would probably not rig the equipment , because if they were exposed, they would lose their gaming license and face heavy penalties.

ALL you said is true friend, when I said "any game can be rigged as long as it's online based," i didn't mean it from the angle you are seeing it, I actually said that based on the fact that most of us here today carry out our gambling activities mostly online..

MMA like I understand is still young in the sports industry, so it's understandable why it is still one of the most trusted sports where rigging is still very minimal...

I've not seen this movie but all in all, this says it all, "when it come to cash - nobody can be trusted", really true.

Roulette is one of the most easiest games to play on a gambling platform, and it's all about how lucky one can be, the same as slots too, I do believe that some gambling platforms have their ways of cheating gamblers but I honestly never seen something like this before. There is nothing anyone can do to nail a scamming casino because I have never heard about a case in the court involving a gambling casino that was caught cheating.

All you can do is move away from any gambling platform that have too less luck when playing your games, do not stick with one gambling platform, try to use others because some are pure than the other, if you don't try you won't know.

This meaning one thing , that there are no complete trust we must give to each casino because if live gambling can be a scam then what more those online games? that we are playing against the computer?
like what you said Evolution and lightning  in which I use to favorite in live casino playing.

and the best thing to treat these kind of game? is to Enjoy and accept being a loser lol.

    -   Most of the gamblers who play roulette don't think about it anymore, as long as they enjoy themselves. Then they can't even think about it and notice it in my opinion.

Gamblers may already know that even in the casino there is manipulation going on, but they don't care about it anymore because what most gamblers have in mind is that if they bring luck they will win no matter where they bet.

Scam in gambling exist and there's nothing to do about it, some have been existing over time while some will still come onboard which is why we also need to research very well about a casino before we can draw a conclusion on any as our preferred choice, once we get used to the routes they take to scam us the lesser gamblers fall their victim but moreover everything will still ended on taking risk in gambling.

It's not just online based games, even sports games can be rigged, and normally the oddsmakers know about it way before you know it, e.g. Oakland As Cubs yesterday, an umpire calling OUT on a player on 3rd (scoring position), then calling OUT on a player for wasting time, then ejecting the coach, and then allowing the Cubs to score tons of runs (lots of questionnable calls).

As gamblers say "you have to be on the right side of the fix" but sports are rigged as well, those who say sports are not rigged have no idea what they're talking about ... and you even have articles like these:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/tennis-lifetime-match-fixing-29178013
https://igamingbusiness.com/social-responsibility/sports-integrity/french-tennis-player-banned-for-match-fixing/

Maybe the MMA is one of the more 'honest' sports out there but even there you could find some integrity issues ....

Ever seen the movie Cash (2010)? Sean Bean says in the movie a powerful thing when taking back a box full of cash from the mother: "When it comes to cash - nobody can be trusted".

Nice thread. I'm not aware of this kind of trick because I only saw this in a movie about casino cheating and not an actual demonstration of how it works. Looking at the video makes this trick smooth and not noticeable when apply on live roulette. I rarely play roulette so this trick doesn't concern me at all. But asking if popular providers might do this is questionable because they don't have any reason to cheat on a game in that they have an advantage. They already have a huge profit from their customers that trust them. It's not worth trading those reputations over a silly cheat just to beat badly all the players that are destined to lose in the end.

Maybe this is happening with mediocre game providers and not with the popular ones. Maybe I'm wrong with this but that is what I'm holding for me to continue playing in these casinos with live games.

I think this is a crock of sh1t.... the casino do not have to cheat, because the house edge gives them their profit. So the game dynamic already generate their profit.

The moment when someone throw a bunch of complex technical jargon around, like digital transducers etc... then you know they are trying to pull the wool over your face... and this comment sounds like that.