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Topic: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims - page 11. (Read 10430 times)

legendary
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If European countries wanted to help real refugees who live in danger in the Islamic World, they should accept ex-Muslims (those who've left the Muslim faith). As a bonus, it would be importing people who aren't total morons who blindly follow a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile warrior.

It is true that non-Muslims face more risks when compared to the Muslims in the Middle East. But how will you find out whether a person is ex-Muslim or not? People will lie that they are ex-Muslim, just to gain an EU residence permit. I have heard of incidents from Germany, where Muslim immigrants nominally convert to Christianity before submitting their asylum claims. In the claim, they will argue that they have left Islam, and therefore they face death if they are sent back to their home country. But once the claim is processed, these people will rejoin the Islamic faith.

Show them a drawing of Mohammed. If they get angry, drop them back in ISIS-land to get what they deserve.

For extra security, ask them to eat a slice of delicious bacon.
Islam is almost like christianity in these terms, God may forgive you for virtually anything. They will pass these verificarions without any issues. Then they will confess these sins a bit later, while returning to their original faith.
hero member
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
Summary?  Political correctness has just died.  It's over, folks.

We can only hope. I'm skeptical. PC is like the undead. Always comes back as soon as people forget the obvious. And the forgetting happens faster each time.

At no point did I or I think anyone in this thread say it would be a choice to kick existing Muslim citizens out of a country, as that is wrong. The countries that gave them citizenship cannot and should not go back on that.

I'd be happy if the Front National got elected and kicked out Muslim French citizens. I doubt they'd go that far though. I've had it with this Jihadi bullshit. Muslims have had centuries to modernize and deal with the Jihadi elements of their religion. At this point, fuck them. Westerners have no obligations to Muslims.
hero member
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Islam and Nazism are belief systems, not races.
If European countries wanted to help real refugees who live in danger in the Islamic World, they should accept ex-Muslims (those who've left the Muslim faith). As a bonus, it would be importing people who aren't total morons who blindly follow a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile warrior.

It is true that non-Muslims face more risks when compared to the Muslims in the Middle East. But how will you find out whether a person is ex-Muslim or not? People will lie that they are ex-Muslim, just to gain an EU residence permit. I have heard of incidents from Germany, where Muslim immigrants nominally convert to Christianity before submitting their asylum claims. In the claim, they will argue that they have left Islam, and therefore they face death if they are sent back to their home country. But once the claim is processed, these people will rejoin the Islamic faith.

Show them a drawing of Mohammed. If they get angry, drop them back in ISIS-land to get what they deserve.

For extra security, ask them to eat a slice of delicious bacon.
hero member
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Gloire à la Victoire !
To accept muslims is not the problem. It's to accept africans (niggers, algerians...). They do it because since Mitterrand, a lot of social-laws passed, and now eveyone is antiracist. Racism is the base of the mankind, it's the preservation of ourselves, but these guys don't understand this.
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Learn Shariah Law to be as sclave in Worldwide Khalifate.
Learn Your next Civil Rights http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/cairodeclaration.html (Non ISIS Edition)
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RE: compatible with democracy and the western world

I don´t think it´s bloody compatible with democracy and the western world to have drones flying around the world wiping out weddings, funerals and this and that to maybe get some alleged terrorists. The nutsos in charge of this freely admit that maybe they killed this guy or that or they may never really know. Yeah, they killed 50 people at that wedding tough shit, that´s collateral damage. I mean, unless you´re a freakin psychopath like these people or borderline retarded you can´t deny that this is nothing but terrorism. And yes, I live in the western world.

I think you guys are getting me wrong.  I don't think drone strikes on non combatants  is right and I don't want to invade the middle east.

I just don't think Muslims and the western world can truly ever get along,  so why try force it by moving into each other's countries.

I don't want to live in a Muslim country and I'm sure they wouldn't want me there either. Everyone keep to themselves type deal.

There seems to be serious lack of understanding about the connection between cause and effect, action and consequence on these threads. I wonder why.
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RE: compatible with democracy and the western world

I don´t think it´s bloody compatible with democracy and the western world to have drones flying around the world wiping out weddings, funerals and this and that to maybe get some alleged terrorists. The nutsos in charge of this freely admit that maybe they killed this guy or that or they may never really know. Yeah, they killed 50 people at that wedding tough shit, that´s collateral damage. I mean, unless you´re a freakin psychopath like these people or borderline retarded you can´t deny that this is nothing but terrorism. And yes, I live in the western world.

I think you guys are getting me wrong.  I don't think drone strikes on non combatants  is right and I don't want to invade the middle east.

I just don't think Muslims and the western world can truly ever get along,  so why try force it by moving into each other's countries.

I don't want to live in a Muslim country and I'm sure they wouldn't want me there either. Everyone keep to themselves type deal.
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I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.

Eat shit, who sponsor to kill Saddam Husseyn and Muammar Gheddafi.
Pay Your Bills NOW.

some truth to that as well.

Those wars in the Arab countries have done nothing but destabilize the region and create the conditions for ISIS.

But no rewind now, in fact the most likely outcome now is an escalation from all sides.
hero member
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RE: compatible with democracy and the western world

I don´t think it´s bloody compatible with democracy and the western world to have drones flying around the world wiping out weddings, funerals and this and that to maybe get some alleged terrorists. The nutsos in charge of this freely admit that maybe they killed this guy or that or they may never really know. Yeah, they killed 50 people at that wedding tough shit, that´s collateral damage. Or maybe they use another term for it nowadays, I guess they need to provide some variety to idiots that are brainwashed by their 30-second analyses of very complex issues.
I mean, unless you´re a freakin psychopath like these people or borderline retarded you can´t deny that this is nothing but terrorism. And yes, I live in the western world.
sr. member
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I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.

Eat shit, who sponsor to kill Saddam Husseyn and Muammar Gheddafi.
Pay Your Bills NOW.
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Spendulus, the answer to your OP question is: no one really asks us if we want to. Just like no one asks Americans if they want to be at war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc...
Even when you think you vote for a PM/party that may be more restrictive with immigration, once they get to power, they do a 180.

there is some truth to this.

but on the other side, I am pretty sure very few europeans have made it their mission in the last 24 months to inform every politician in their area that they object.

so its a probably a silent objection if any of the locals object.



legendary
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You know, we should let all the criminals out of jail.  Not many of them were rapists.  We could spend our time and money better figuring out which of them were rapists than simply discriminating against all criminals and locking them up.  Just because they were branded as criminals doesn't mean they are all bad, that's discrimination.  There are all types.  Some rape, some rob  banks, some are completely innocent.

Why are you so prejudiced?

Smiley

Sorry I thought I was having a conversation. Instead I have been trolled. I should have known better.

No you have not been trolled.  Your argument has been satired.

Your argument is basically, "It's all hopeless."  If you want, I will show why that is a false allegation.
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You know, we should let all the criminals out of jail.  Not many of them were rapists.  We could spend our time and money better figuring out which of them were rapists than simply discriminating against all criminals and locking them up.  Just because they were branded as criminals doesn't mean they are all bad, that's discrimination.  There are all types.  Some rape, some rob  banks, some are completely innocent.

Why are you so prejudiced?

Smiley

Sorry I thought I was having a conversation. Instead I have been trolled. I should have known better.
legendary
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to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims
Because they don't have balls. That's why they are continuously electing these laughable puppets (Hollande, Merkel etc.) into office.

Simple comparison of laughable puppet with real president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0_FyjmYlrU

Or another example of well educated politician:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-gJ1zI3D4

I'm not saying that muslim brotherhood is fine but it's not their fault that there is no competent people in the EU governments. If you're giving yourself into hands of puppet regime, then no wonder that you're getting what you deserve.
hero member
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And who is behind ISIS,Brigadi Rosso,Bader Mainhof,Syria war,AlKida etc

Indeed. This whole terror mess is very murky and that´s nothing new.

Google "Operation Gladio".

Terrorists and freedom fighters and moderate opposition and other ingredients of this soup...there´s always labels that fit changing publicizing needs and interests. Is war lucrative business? Do businessmen try to create business opportunities? Do armaments manufacturers fund politicians? Do they expect to get something in return? Do bears defecate in the woods?
Pab
legendary
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I don't understand how Europeans decided it was a good idea to accept muslim immigrants and asylum seekers, refugees etc etc

can someone explain to me the thought process of how local Europeans and their governments decided being over run by muslims was a good strategy for the future of Europe?

I truly believe Islam is not compatible with democracy and the western world, but that is another debate.
Tell me why European are accepting Jewish Mosad danger ,Black,Buddhist,Hinduist,USA asylum seekers moreand more of them here,Russians KGB danger,

Do you know many terroristics attacs has been done in past by whithe.Bader Mainhof,Brigadi Rosso,ETA,IRA ,eleven november and many others

Do you know than 120000 people hasied in Syria in still ongoing terroristic attacks,3 mln Vietnamise in done ny USA
 terroristics,Afghanisthan,Iran,Nicaragua many,many others,Palestine,Gaza,There is terroristicattack in Gaza every week.Everyweek Apachappearand thay are shooting

And who is behind ISIS,Brigadi Rosso,Bader Mainhof,Syria war,AlKida etc
legendary
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At no point did I or I think anyone in this thread say it would be a choice to kick existing Muslim citizens out of a country, as that is wrong. The countries that gave them citizenship cannot and should not go back on that.

My question was why accept more Muslims.

I am not a french citizen. I am a turkish citizen, I work in france and plan to apply for citizenship.

It is besides the point too. There will be more people like me in the future. Who are highly qualified, some of them atheists or agnostics. And your idea of not letting new muslims into europe, will block these people also.

There is a fine line. Migration on an individual level, when people come from other cultures because they found a job or love, and when such people are prepared to assimilate or at least live in harmony, is perfectly fine in my book. But what is being done to Europe now, is a controlled and directed invasion (I can't find another word for what I see) by people who for the most part expect preferential treatment, don't intend to work and expect the countries they move to to change to suit their lifestyle.

These two articles from a few months back illustrate well the scope of the problem:
http://stanislavs.org/we-have-nothing-to-losethe-refugees-who-arrived-in-the-european-union-are-ready-to-revolt/
http://stanislavs.org/apocalypse-of-europespecial-report-from-the-flooded-by-refugees-austria/


legendary
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At no point did I or I think anyone in this thread say it would be a choice to kick existing Muslim citizens out of a country, as that is wrong. The countries that gave them citizenship cannot and should not go back on that.

My question was why accept more Muslims.

I am not a french citizen. I am a turkish citizen, I work in france and plan to apply for citizenship.

It is besides the point too. There will be more people like me in the future. Who are highly qualified, some of them atheists or agnostics. And your idea of not letting new muslims into europe, will block these people also.

If there are 100 men at a gate, and one has an AK47 and intends to empty his clip into innocent people, I certainly would not let those 100 people through that gate.

End of Subject.
legendary
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Spendulus, the answer to your OP question is: no one really asks us if we want to. Just like no one asks Americans if they want to be at war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, etc...
Even when you think you vote for a PM/party that may be more restrictive with immigration, once they get to power, they do a 180.
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