Topic: to Europeans: can you please try explain to me why your countries accept Muslims - page 13. (Read 10449 times)

Well, I can try to give you an answer - my answer - but I believe it will not be a short one.

First of all: Europe had in the past decades again and again "waves" of people coming here, looking for a better live.

In the 60s, it was the Italians. And we all were warned that they will eat our cats, rape our girls and make extensive use of their knives. Nothing of all of this was true. Instead, they brought spaghetti, tortelloni, pizza - and prosperity, because they worked their asses off.

Then came Turks. We were warned how they will use pistols and change our culture, they would rape our girls and deal drugs. Nothing of all this was true - instead they brought kebab and other goodies, - and prosperity, because they worked their asses off.

Then came people from Sri Lanka. We were warned they would rape our girls, deal with drugs and change our whole culture. Nothing of this was true - instead they brought a lot of new food, and hundred of restaurants wouldn't have survived if these guys wouldn't have worked their asses off. You guess it: They brought properity.

In the 90s came people from the Balkan. Oh, how we were warned: They would - of course - rape our girls, steal everything, bring a new culture with a muslim background, this destroying our culture. Nothing of this was true - instead they brought new food, new drinks, new clubs  - and prosperity.

It IS true, though, that with every group of these cultures came people who were not good. Who raped. Who stole. Who murdered. Just as it was before. Only that all the sudden, people started to ask "where do they come from".

Now let's look at the people from the Balkans. As a matter of facts, I was a lot in Kosovo, Kroatia and Serbia during the war. You can believe me: This war was different than everything you thought you'd see. It was the most brutal of all wars I had ever seen.

I was a volunteer to evac people from Bihac. I went there with my truck, just before Christmas 94, and loaded this truck with every"thing" I could: Kids, women, men, dead, alive, dying. In such a situation, religion never is an issue. The people need help, and that's the only thing you can offer at the moment.

Many of the people from the Balkan returned once they had the impression their home is safe. Others just became ordinary people. You wouldn't know that they orignially come from the east if you wouldn't know. They look like you, they talk like you, they are just like all of us. Most of them drink beer and other alcoholic beverages, but don't eat pig. That is, in most cases, the only way how you can tell they believe in something else than the majority here.

They are just like you and me - maybe a bit more patriotic than I am - but they are patriotic for MY country, the country they are living in.

Now there's the war in Syria. Have you ever had kids? Have you ever been in a war? Would you stay there with your kids? I understand that a lot of people come to Europe. And yes, this may be risky because some of the refugees are convinced that they have to install a state of war in our countries, too.

So what. I believe in me, in the people living here, in the people who come here, to fight those guys. Just this morning, my son's friend from Macedonia came by. He is muslim. We all were watching the latest news from Paris, he was crying, asking why these people are doing this.

Since I can remember, I fought neonazis.

If you talk to them and then talk to radical islamists, you'll see that there is basically no difference between them all. They have a wicked mindset, and they all are all but normal. We, our society, will be able to deal with it.

Terror means that they want to spread fear. They may, from time to time, be successfull with this. But I also remember how I, as a kid, was afraid to go to the shopping mall because of the Baader-Meinhof-Gang. But from a certain point on, I just decided that it is me who has to say where I go and where I don't - and not terrorists.

The same is true for today. I will fight every terrorist with all possible means - but hell, if someone is in need of a shelter, of a place which is safe, I'll do everything I can that this person gets it. Never looking at the color of the skin, the age, the sex, the religion. That is what makes us human.

US-Mexican drugwar maybe?

U guys usually have a phd in googling what happened?

Ok so you can't stop all of them coming in, but with some effort you could stop 90 percent, and the other 10 percent you sure as hell can send back home.

Get rid of your dumb asylum laws and get serious about deportation.

And Btw I have never heard of a Mexican person blow up anything or attack random people in the USA for religious purposes as far as I know. So it's a very different set of circumstances.

The scary thing is one of these terror groups is going to get a wmd eventually and they will use it without hesitation.

Just so you know,the results came out and they turned out to be Muslims .You have anything to say ? Why is it that anywhere a bomb blast,terror attack takes place only muslims are seemed to be involved? Why there is a training provided for all these muslim suicide bombers in Pakistan ? Why the people who blew 911 were muslims? Why the people who attacked Mumbai were Muslims? All those involved in attacks came in as form of refugees or sneaked in through coasts.The fact is everyone of them is a Muslim.Now please take your time out to answer me.

Your problem is that almost all of what you believe is based on superstition and wrong facts.
There is no need to discuss anything if the person you are talking with is not interested in a factual discussion.

This is like the scientific proof for god thread.

But nevertheless one of the main reasons we need immigrants is because we have a huge negative birthrate. It the end it is just a pure economical question.

Also i can promise you that we have more inland psycopaths then terrorist refugees for sure - taking every bet here.

If European countries wanted to help real refugees who live in danger in the Islamic World, they should accept ex-Muslims (those who've left the Muslim faith). As a bonus, it would be importing people who aren't total morons who blindly follow a 7th century delusional illiterate pedophile warrior.

Yes. Except this time only one side has the will to fight, and that's the side that will win. So "war" probably isn't the right term.

I'm not European, but I have spoken to some who are sympathetic to settling millions of refugees. They say things like, "They're just like us -- doctors, lawyers." When jihadist attacks are brought up they say things like, "That's just a one-off, very rare, nothing to worry about."

I suspect there are some Europeans who think importing millions of new Muslims is maybe sort of a bad idea, based on, you know, centuries of Muslim attacks against the West, including occupations of Eastern European countries. (The kind of people who recognize the phrase "Gates of Vienna" and know what it refers to.) But most of them remain silent because there may be serious social and possibly legal side effects from talking about these things. It's possible a dangerous party like the Front National could win elections in France as a consequence of the multiple jihadi attacks on France the past few years, combined with the "refugee" crisis invasion. It's probably too late to save France, but I suppose the Front National could kick out millions of Muslims into the welcoming arms of Germany -- a country that wants to commit suicide and frankly deserves to get what it wants.

Edit: Above I refered to the Front National as a "dangerous party". While I do believe they are potentially dangerous, I don't want to give the impression they're anywhere near as dangerous as the homocidal jihadi minority in France. Without a Churchhill to save France, Marine Le Penn might be the safest bet.

That makes my point even more strongly. I am saying that Muslims are not compatible with Western civilization, as a whole they will never integrate, and even letting 1 into any western country is a mistake. But Europe reckons inviting millions is a great idea.

Also I don't believe every single one was a French passport holder.

Not only are the refugees a threat, their children's children will be a threat. No integration and a point of view when taken to fundamentalist Islam levels that all non Muslims need to either become Muslim or die is a setup for disaster.

I would have zero questions or concerns  about Europe helping those refugees if the were atheists, Jews, Buddhists etc, and of any skin color.

According to the latest reports from France, at least one Syrian passport has been recovered from the bodies of the slain terrorists. That means that at least some of them were recent immigrants to the European Union from the Middle East (either Syrian citizens, or other nationals using stolen Syrian passports to reach the EU).

Hi guys, first as a French living in Paris i appreciate your concerns and ind words.

But please don't confuse everything, of what i read you're all suggesting two things: let the people carry weapons and get immigrants out.

On the first one i'll say that i'm pretty sure armed population would even be more dangerous on a terorist attack. Lot's of people didn't really understand what happened, some citizens fought others thinking they were part of the attack. It was a very unclear situation, i'm sure that if people were allowed to have guns, people would have killed more innocents than terrorists. Everyone was afraid and confused, you do reaaaaaaally stupid things when you're afraid.
And most of the damages were done by bombs and the first shots at Bataclan (the place where half victims were). Armed people wouldn't have done shit because they openned the gates of the room where the concert took place, screamed and shot in the public. They killed nearly 50 persons in just a few seconds, nobody would have reacted fast enough to stop them.

So no, we don't have guns and we don't want some thanks.

And for the immigrants... I'm not saying it has no importance, but people saying we should close the borders are stupid. France is huge, and so is Europe, terrorists are maybe hiding in the refugees groups but it doesn't matter, we just can't control our borders. Dozens of thousands of Mexican goes trough the USA borders and it's the fucing biggest and most secured border in the world! How do you want to control European borders??? You just can't. In France only it's 4 000 km of ground borders, and i'm not talking about the seas or the ocean...

It's terrible but sadly enough you can't really defend yourself. Which doesn't mean you can't attack though...

You HAVE a Middle Age religion war, that is exactly what radical Muslims have.  And it's pointed at you and me.

ISIS terrorists had French passport. They aren't from regular refugees. So, what's the point here? You want Middle Age religion wars again?

because jews have brainwashed us into suicidal self hatred

Friend I am Muslim only. Please don't all Muslims with same point of view. In every country in every culture people are there in good views and bad views So please don't tell all Islamic friends not fit for European culture and all. just we are humans only

Most people don´t give it much of a thought but much of those refugees from Syria started their refugee career from next door Iraq earlier in the new century.

Maybe muslims in America can start wearing black hats if you are the bad guys, and white hats if you are the good guy

I never said life was fair for the refugees, I am sure most of them have horrible stories.

Maybe 95% of those refugees are decent people - but even those 95% will on average make zero attempt to integrate into the local society they end up in.
then you have 4% who are probably truly hateful of western civilization and will do anything they can do to screw their host country short of violence.

and then 1% who are potentially batshit crazy like the Paris group.

And exactly how is Europe in its infinite wisdom going to figure out who that batshit crazy 1% is?

maybe 20 people I am guessing were involved in the attacks on Paris. Now Europe is letting potentially 1 000s or 10 000s of battle hardened soldiers from Afghanistan and Syria and Iraq come wander around Europe.

Well, you talk like you think that all those muslims are on the move for no particular reason other than they think that it´d be really really cool to go somewhere else.

I didn't say make war on muslims, or that existing muslim citizens be thrown out of Europe.

I asked simply why europeans think its a good idea to let millions *more* muslims into their countries.

As of yet, no one has even attempted to answer the question, everything has been done to avoid answering the question in fact.

But I think that is the answer in of itself. Europeans don't want to have to answer such a "ugly racist" question themselves. Instead they pretty much turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't matter?

Except when it does matter , like tonight in Paris.

The elephant in the room is that fundamentalist Islamic beliefs are totally incompatible with western civilization. So again, i ask again and again, why invite people into your country who will not be compatible with almost anything your country is built on.