UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 1290.

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Quote from: Ndabagi01 on June 14, 2023, 04:27:55 PM

Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

There is still an exception to this; they did incredibly well this season, earning them the champions league trophy, and no team presently holds their record in football history as far as the previously concluded season is concerned. But we can't be certain of what other teams' performance will be like next season in comparison to Manchester City's. While speculating, we may give Manchester City full confidence in winning the trophy again next season, but in reality, we need to observe how other clubs perform when the next season begins to determine who will win the title in the end.

It is difficult, but not totally impossible for Manchester city to win the Champions League for the next season.
Why you look at the squad of Manchester City, they possess the most squad dept of any club in the Europe.
And from recent seasons, Manchester City has always been winning the UEFA best team of the year, even when they are unable to win the Champions League. This is the say that for almost three seasons, Manchester City has been the favourite team to win the Champions League, but they were unable to win it. So if they have been the favorites for like three seasons ago, there is no guarantee that they will not be the favourite in the coming season, especially when they are even going to reinforce the squad.

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Quote from: Spacewalker on June 14, 2023, 06:47:48 PM

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How much more will the Arsenal team be underrated in the champions league even after they did exceptionally well in the premier league last season? They’ve just qualified for the champions league after their great performance in the premier league, let’s wait for the champions league to start before making assumptions on who is stronger to go far and those that will be eliminated from the first round of the competition. Every team is a star here after coming so far to reach here, so let’s see how the outcome of the group stage will be before we can at least start making speculations.

By the way, in the end, all participating clubs, except the finalists of the tournament, will be eliminated from the Champions League draw Wink

I would also not rush to premature conclusions about Arsenal. In any case, if the team wants to successfully perform on two fronts, then it is definitely necessary to strengthen the squad and, according to transfer news and rumors, the team is trying hard to do this. I don't think the club's management will set the task for the players and the head coach to win the Champions League right away this season, but it seems that at least Arsenal should get out of their group in the playoffs, although of course a lot depends on which opponents the draw will determine.

Yes but even if they are trying to strengthen their squad in order to be competitive in all competitions next season, other clubs are doing the same. It's about how the clubs manage to integrate new players into their system. Everyone thought that Chelsea should be top three easily only because of their transfers, but they haven't chosen wisely and didn't feel gaps that needed to be filled urgently. They just bought high profile names and hoped that it would work out.

Arsenal won't be a contender for the title next season in the Champions League, but I don't see many reasons why they shouldn't play an interesting role. They have had great games against some of the best teams in the Premier League already and if they can become even more consistent they will also have a good chance to make it quite far in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on June 14, 2023, 06:25:51 PM

How much more will the Arsenal team be underrated in the champions league even after they did exceptionally well in the premier league last season? They’ve just qualified for the champions league after their great performance in the premier league, let’s wait for the champions league to start before making assumptions on who is stronger to go far and those that will be eliminated from the first round of the competition. Every team is a star here after coming so far to reach here, so let’s see how the outcome of the group stage will be before we can at least start making speculations.

By the way, in the end, all participating clubs, except the finalists of the tournament, will be eliminated from the Champions League draw Wink

I would also not rush to premature conclusions about Arsenal. In any case, if the team wants to successfully perform on two fronts, then it is definitely necessary to strengthen the squad and, according to transfer news and rumors, the team is trying hard to do this. I don't think the club's management will set the task for the players and the head coach to win the Champions League right away this season, but it seems that at least Arsenal should get out of their group in the playoffs, although of course a lot depends on which opponents the draw will determine.

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UCL pots

Pots 1 = Manchester City,Sevilla,Barcelona,Napoli,Bayern ,Munich,Paris Saint-Germain,Benfica,Feyenoord

Pots 2 = Real Madrid, Manchester United, Inter, Borussia Dortmund, Atletico Madrid, RB Leipzig, Porto, Arsenal

https://www.90min.com/posts/2023-24-champions-league-confirmed-teams-pots

Glad to see that according to the pots if real madrid will not face manchester united in the play group. Arsenal must be feeling worried about this caused by its potential to face a tough group.
I can imagine if arsenal will able to face manchester city/bacelona/napoli or bayern in the same group. The chance for arsenal to leave from the UCL next season is very big right now.

How much more will the Arsenal team be underrated in the champions league even after they did exceptionally well in the premier league last season? They’ve just qualified for the champions league after their great performance in the premier league, let’s wait for the champions league to start before making assumptions on who is stronger to go far and those that will be eliminated from the first round of the competition. Every team is a star here after coming so far to reach here, so let’s see how the outcome of the group stage will be before we can at least start making speculations.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 14, 2023, 04:35:03 PM

Too soon to say which team can have more than the 2023-2024 world cup, but with the current situation we see from most of the teams, Manchester City have a much better situation and they can have more chance even for the next Champions League.
But on the other hand teams like Real Madrid is hiring players and rebuilding the teams and they are preparing to take revenge and win the title.

UCL is the best competition for the best club determined through exceptional competition. League representatives who end up in 3rd or 4th place or playoff system. So imagining next season is still very difficult, because the transfer market has just started and ends in September. So there will be many changes in players in the participating teams. Of course, teams that have good finances, can take advantage of this moment even though it is not a guarantee of their success.

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UCL pots

Pots 1 = Manchester City,Sevilla,Barcelona,Napoli,Bayern ,Munich,Paris Saint-Germain,Benfica,Feyenoord

Pots 2 = Real Madrid, Manchester United, Inter, Borussia Dortmund, Atletico Madrid, RB Leipzig, Porto, Arsenal

https://www.90min.com/posts/2023-24-champions-league-confirmed-teams-pots

Glad to see that according to the pots if real madrid will not face manchester united in the play group. Arsenal must be feeling worried about this caused by its potential to face a tough group.
I can imagine if arsenal will able to face manchester city/bacelona/napoli or bayern in the same group. The chance for arsenal to leave from the UCL next season is very big right now.

I have not yet mentioned pots 3 & 4 caused by play off for UCL has not yet began.

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Quote from: macson on June 13, 2023, 04:16:52 PM

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I do not underestimate them, but I really doubt if they can win that Champions League back to back, has anyone done that asides Real Madrid?
Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Manchester United though, they're yet to make quality additions to the squad. Even Inter Milan can come back next season to win, they did great just that they didn't have that killer player to open Manchester Citys defense. But anyways, we still have two months until the next Champions League kick's off.

every season has its own challenges for the teams that are fighting in the champions league, and i'm sure in the next UCL season we will see again how man city fights hard to be able to win the UCL trophy, to be honest in the final match when facing inter, i saw man city play sangta is not good, they are quite lucky because inter failed to score. what I will pay attention to in the next season is man utd and real madrid, these two teams will definitely not give up again and we will see how they fight tooth and nail to win the UCL trophy from man city.

It'll be boring watching Manchester City winning the Champions League once again next season, I wasn't disappointed they won the treble, unlike some Manchester United fans, yes I didn't get want them to win the treble, but if it happens next season nah! I'll be damned.
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Manchester United? They're yet to get new players, they need a great depth because they'll not just be playing the Champions League, but to also qualify for the Champions League next season. I hope they get player's capable of fighting for Manchester United.

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Quote from: Renampun on June 14, 2023, 04:08:52 PM

I pay enough attention to the strategy that is usually used by Pep Guardiola in every team he coaches, he always tries hard to encourage every player as much as possible to avoid incidents that could potentially become injured and that has proven effective because in the season that has passed, we have not seen the man city player seriously injured (different from other arsenal squad or EPL team)

I will say that most of the Manchester City players are mid and good and this is why many of them were able to avoid injuries, and they know how to play games without their opponent hitting them, the main players in the team know how to dodge bullets but even with their too carefulness, De Bruyne got injured at the end and couldn't play even half time in the Champions League, this is strategy helped them and I hope they can use the same tactics next season,

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for now pep guardiola is the best coach in the world who is still active but the fight is not over and we cannot predict with certainty whether man icty will continue to be able to defend the UCL title in the following season.

In the world for Treble? I think he needs to win the world cup where players are not borrowed or bought with millions of dollars before you can say such, world cup doesn't need enough funding to lift this, its the raw talent and effort of individuals that win the world cup and those are the places we can praise players, teams and manager, not someone that can turn things around because of money invested.

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Quote from: sana54210 on June 14, 2023, 02:18:31 PM

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I'm curious if there's any particular reason why Barcelona isn't there? They finished La Liga in a dominant fashion.

I didn't expect outrights for next season's winners to be out this early but here's what's on your list.
City - 3.0
Madrid - 10.30
Bayern - 7.30

Rollbit bookie is almost with you there. PSG is currently at third with 9.90 while Barca is @11.90

Maybe it's too early to bet since there's still the transfer window but probably not bad putting some money on your favorite team if odds are over 10.

I think it's way too early because summer transfers hasn't been made. Like for example the talks about Mbappe going to Madrid is something we are not sure about right now, Mbappe says he wants to stay for another year and then leave, PSG says they will sell him if he doesn't extend right away, which means that it is not going to be that easy to convince him to extend, and yet would be hard to sell him.

If Madrid somehow does get him, these odds would change drastically, like imagine how good they will be within one season, and I think I would put them above City without a doubt. Of course this isn't guaranteed, we are not sure, so we just need to wait for the summer to end before we can make any decision on who will win the next one.

Too soon to say which team can have more than the 2023-2024 world cup, but with the current situation we see from most of the teams, Manchester City have a much better situation and they can have more chance even for the next Champions League.
But on the other hand teams like Real Madrid is hiring players and rebuilding the teams and they are preparing to take revenge and win the title.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

There is still an exception to this; they did incredibly well this season, earning them the champions league trophy, and no team presently holds their record in football history as far as the previously concluded season is concerned. But we can't be certain of what other teams' performance will be like next season in comparison to Manchester City's. While speculating, we may give Manchester City full confidence in winning the trophy again next season, but in reality, we need to observe how other clubs perform when the next season begins to determine who will win the title in the end.

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Quote from: Altryist on June 14, 2023, 11:54:52 AM

It is very difficult to maintain a high level of play over several seasons, after every peak there is a decline, and besides, other teams can be much stronger next season, until we know how Bayern will play, or what to expect from Real Madrid, Barcelona or other teams . Guardiola did everything right and City looked very good at the end of the season, but in previous seasons everything was not so perfect, so I'm not sure that things will turn out as well for City as they did this time.

Every season, of course, there are many surprises that we will see in the UCL, be it the defending champions defending the title or the challengers who are not seeded. This season belongs to Manchester city and it is not certain that they can maintain it next season even though they are still strong candidates. Competition will occur and this will be seen from the strong teams this season such as Bayern munich and Inter milan and even Ac milan. I think one of the things that amazed us this season was the decline in the performance of the Real Madrid team which other teams were able to take advantage of in winning the trophy.

Next season the team from the EPL will be enough to attract my attention, especially Manchester united. They were a big team in the previous era in UCL and this season they seem quite ready to give competition to other teams in the race for the ucl trophy. Erik ten hag will make a major overhaul in the transfer window to cement the team even stronger in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Merit.s on June 14, 2023, 11:58:00 AM

I am happy that you know that injury can play a major role on the life of a player and a club in their performance. This is why it might be impossible for Man City to win it again next season even with the same players. We saw how injury crippled Man united performance and some other good clubs performance,which made it impossible for them to achieve their goal. Man City was very lucky,that they didnt suffer from injury this season which made the club and players stronger. So let's stop thinking that next season will be the same as this season. Changes is constant,who on earth will believe that Chelsea will perform poorly this season. It is hard to look into the future but we can also think that it is possible for things to remain the way that they are.

I pay enough attention to the strategy that is usually used by Pep Guardiola in every team he coaches, he always tries hard to encourage every player as much as possible to avoid incidents that could potentially become injured and that has proven effective because in the season that has passed, we have not seen the man city player seriously injured (different from other arsenal squad or EPL team)

for now pep guardiola is the best coach in the world who is still active but the fight is not over and we cannot predict with certainty whether man icty will continue to be able to defend the UCL title in the following season.

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Quote from: Yogee on June 14, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: babo on June 14, 2023, 03:17:55 AM

I already have a list of favorite teams
- Manchester City
- Real Madrid
-Bayern

I'm curious if there's any particular reason why Barcelona isn't there? They finished La Liga in a dominant fashion.

I didn't expect outrights for next season's winners to be out this early but here's what's on your list.
City - 3.0
Madrid - 10.30
Bayern - 7.30

Rollbit bookie is almost with you there. PSG is currently at third with 9.90 while Barca is @11.90

Maybe it's too early to bet since there's still the transfer window but probably not bad putting some money on your favorite team if odds are over 10.

It is a bit odd to see these odds already now. But anyway I'm not surprised to see Manchester City this much favourite for the title again. It isn't an easy task to get a back-to-back win in the Champions League. Real Madrid are the only team that have done it since 2000's - they won it 3 times in a row with Zidane's management. Before Real Madrid the last time this happened was in the 1988/1989 and 1989/1990 seasons - Milan. Manchester City will need to keep their mental really strong.

They haven't been showing an impressive performance in the Champions League finals they have qualified for. If they make it to this stage again next season then Guardiola will need to keep his players much more concentrated on playing an effective game.

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Quote from: Yogee on June 14, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

I'm curious if there's any particular reason why Barcelona isn't there? They finished La Liga in a dominant fashion.

I didn't expect outrights for next season's winners to be out this early but here's what's on your list.
City - 3.0
Madrid - 10.30
Bayern - 7.30

Rollbit bookie is almost with you there. PSG is currently at third with 9.90 while Barca is @11.90

Maybe it's too early to bet since there's still the transfer window but probably not bad putting some money on your favorite team if odds are over 10.

I think it's way too early because summer transfers hasn't been made. Like for example the talks about Mbappe going to Madrid is something we are not sure about right now, Mbappe says he wants to stay for another year and then leave, PSG says they will sell him if he doesn't extend right away, which means that it is not going to be that easy to convince him to extend, and yet would be hard to sell him.

If Madrid somehow does get him, these odds would change drastically, like imagine how good they will be within one season, and I think I would put them above City without a doubt. Of course this isn't guaranteed, we are not sure, so we just need to wait for the summer to end before we can make any decision on who will win the next one.

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Quote from: Altryist on June 14, 2023, 11:54:52 AM

Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

It is very difficult to maintain a high level of play over several seasons, after every peak there is a decline, and besides, other teams can be much stronger next season, until we know how Bayern will play, or what to expect from Real Madrid, Barcelona or other teams . Guardiola did everything right and City looked very good at the end of the season, but in previous seasons everything was not so perfect, so I'm not sure that things will turn out as well for City as they did this time.

@Marykeller, indeed Manchester City looks very good but that doesn't mean Manchester City can continuously win the Champions League title. Because after all, Real Madrid, who won 14 Champions League titles, also did not get 14 in a row, moreover, of course, other teams will also try to make changes to have a team with even better performance. So yes, even though I also admit that Manceshter City with Pep Guardiola promise good performance and promise trophies every season but to be honest, to be able to win consecutive Champions League titles is not as easy as one might imagine.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

Quote from: JooBra on June 12, 2023, 02:41:16 PM

We can't say much at this point but I'm pretty sure that City won't win it again. They need 1 bad game in knockout stage and they will be out. Going 2years without bad game it's really hard and City does not have legacy of Real M to do that.

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

I am happy that you know that injury can play a major role on the life of a player and a club in their performance. This is why it might be impossible for Man City to win it again next season even with the same players. We saw how injury crippled Man united performance and some other good clubs performance,which made it impossible for them to achieve their goal. Man City was very lucky,that they didnt suffer from injury this season which made the club and players stronger. So let's stop thinking that next season will be the same as this season. Changes is constant,who on earth will believe that Chelsea will perform poorly this season. It is hard to look into the future but we can also think that it is possible for things to remain the way that they are.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

It is very difficult to maintain a high level of play over several seasons, after every peak there is a decline, and besides, other teams can be much stronger next season, until we know how Bayern will play, or what to expect from Real Madrid, Barcelona or other teams . Guardiola did everything right and City looked very good at the end of the season, but in previous seasons everything was not so perfect, so I'm not sure that things will turn out as well for City as they did this time.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM

Quote from: JooBra on June 12, 2023, 02:41:16 PM

We can't say much at this point but I'm pretty sure that City won't win it again. They need 1 bad game in knockout stage and they will be out. Going 2years without bad game it's really hard and City does not have legacy of Real M to do that.

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

Throwing out a statement like "I'm pretty sure Manchester City won't win again" is insubstantial. It's simply because the odds are against Manchester City to win it again. When you choose an answer upfront that historically has been right more often than not, what is the point in saying that? Real Madrid has shown how it is possible to win it three times in a row, but the luck they had was also significant and the chance that they can repeat that is close to zero, but not zero. I will say that in the next 20 years Real Madrid won't win the CL three times in a row...

But in this case I agree with Marykeller as Manchester City isn't done yet. Haaland is still on the rise and who knows what players they will bring in this summer. If I had to make a guess for next season I would go with Manchester City indeed as I don't think any other team will be stronger than them, but that doesn't guarantee them the title as there are a lot of minor things that can influence the outcome in that competition.

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Quote from: JooBra on June 12, 2023, 02:41:16 PM

We can't say much at this point but I'm pretty sure that City won't win it again. They need 1 bad game in knockout stage and they will be out. Going 2years without bad game it's really hard and City does not have legacy of Real M to do that.

What gives you the impression that Manchester City won't be able to accomplish what Real Madrid did by winning the champions league back-to-back by the next season? Manchester City currently possesses the best team that can defeat any opponent. The only thing I am aware of that would prevent Manchester City from winning the Champions League by the next season is if they sold or loaned some of its important players to other teams, or even if some of their players sustained major injuries that would have a negative impact on the team's performance. Apart from that, I don't think anything can stop Manchester City from reclaiming the champions league title.

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Quote from: babo on June 14, 2023, 03:17:55 AM

I already have a list of favorite teams
- Manchester City
- Real Madrid
-Bayern

I'm curious if there's any particular reason why Barcelona isn't there? They finished La Liga in a dominant fashion.

I didn't expect outrights for next season's winners to be out this early but here's what's on your list.
City - 3.0
Madrid - 10.30
Bayern - 7.30

Rollbit bookie is almost with you there. PSG is currently at third with 9.90 while Barca is @11.90

Maybe it's too early to bet since there's still the transfer window but probably not bad putting some money on your favorite team if odds are over 10.

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