UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season - page 143.

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Quote from: joniboini on September 19, 2024, 08:20:55 PM

To be fair that should be expected. I doubt Man City plays the same without their key players. I remember having a similar discussion in the previous season. It's up to Arteta and his team to find the right formula to win their games. That's what sets apart a great coach from the good ones.

Manchester City have a lot of money, and they bought many star players so that their player resource is very deep which is enough for them to have 2 different squads with almost similar quality. It's just almost, but never can be the same between two different squads. Players when are on bench a long time, have less chance of playing in actual matches, no matter how good they are, will struggle when playing and carrying big tasks again.

Squad B will always be less competitive and play worse than Squad A, it's popular at all clubs.

Quote from: asriloni on September 19, 2024, 08:04:40 PM

Arsenal seems pretty amazing in defense, but their offense was crap. They didn't even have the intention to win that game against Atalanta. They recorded 5 shots and 2 on target in their first 22 minutes, but then, they only recorded 1 shot in the rest. And you're right about Raya's double save; it was something for them.

Without an amazing save from Raya, Arsenal would have lost this match but Atalanta shown that they are strong enough to compete against biggest clubs in Champions League. They began this season in Champions League with massive doubt on their competitiveness after promoting to Champions League even last season they won Europa League.

This draw against Arsenal and their performance in a UEFA Super Cub against Real Madrid, are enough to show that Atalanta are very ready for Champions League matches.

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Quote from: Farma on September 19, 2024, 07:02:01 PM

In my opinion this is a fatal failure for Barcelona in utilizing the 3 initial points in this event because they had to lose one of their midfielders early in the first half, and after he came out Barcelona really lost and they continued to get attacks until what happened in the end was a score of 2-1 for Monaco, but it must be admitted here Monaco looks very confident by playing with its young players Monaco's game is also very piercing and in my opinion they deserve to win this match and Barcelona destroyed us with a betting loss.

A little disappointed with this defeat which made me lose my chance even though I was quite sure with their current performance they were quite good in the previous match but in the Champions they seemed to lose control and in my opinion what is more important for Flick is to balance their mentality so as not to make something fatal that is not desired so that we are together in a state of victory.

It was a really hard result for Barcelona fans to accept where after just 10 minutes of play they had to receive a red card and everything went wrong. Barcelona's game lost its balance. This result clearly complicates Hansi Flick to get points in the next match. Monaco this season has shown that they can indeed beat Barcelona 2x in a row, there was a moment when Ter Stegan made a careless pass because Eric Garcia's position was under pressure from opposing players who were forced to chase the ball, there were 2 more reasonable left and right side options but he had passed to Eric Garcia.

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Quote from: Farma on September 19, 2024, 07:02:01 PM

A little disappointed with this defeat which made me lose my chance even though I was quite sure with their current performance they were quite good in the previous match but in the Champions they seemed to lose control and in my opinion what is more important for Flick is to balance their mentality so as not to make something fatal that is not desired so that we are together in a state of victory.

I think it's too early to be pessimistic no? It's just one game after all. Unless you're referring to your betting result. I think this is one of those games where you strongly believe the story will be different if you have a better player, in this case, the keeper. His performance is quite poor and you could argue he's one of the reasons those two goals happened. I think it's worth using a backup keeper for the next few games or so to change the mood around the squad.

Quote from: asriloni on September 19, 2024, 08:04:40 PM

I might sound biased, but Arsenal's gameplay looked so terrible without Ødegaard. They lose their attacking shape, passing, and horrible ball circulation. Their control drops drastically. And it makes me realised how important odegaard for them.

To be fair that should be expected. I doubt Man City plays the same without their key players. I remember having a similar discussion in the previous season. It's up to Arteta and his team to find the right formula to win their games. That's what sets apart a great coach from the good ones.

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Quote from: Popkon6 on September 19, 2024, 06:51:57 PM

Barcelona player Eric Garcia wouldn't have been sent off with a red card if he hadn't played with passion. After Eric Garcia went off the field, the Monaco team took advantage of this opportunity and scored a goal for the Monaco team. And when the game was leveled again in the 28th minute, the game continued like this for a long time, but then again in the 71st minute, Monaco player George llenikhena scored a goal.
It was a very simple goal. From in front of the Monaco team's goal post, the ball was thrown directly into the Barcelona team's D box, from where George llenikhena directly entered the goal post through another player. And the match was won 2-1 by AS Monaco team, but the gamblers lost the most in this match. They were the worst for the Barcelona team.

Marc-André ter Stegen made fatal mistake when he forced the ball to Eric Garcia during Monaco's pressure, losing control of the ball made Garcia commit fatal foul which earned him straight red card in the early match or 10th minutes game play.
I think its huge problem make Barcelona have got first loss in this season and difficult ability qualifying to knock out round because many difficult matches are waiting for in UEFA Champion League from Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Benfica and Atalanta seems not easily for Barcelona securing three points.

Have difference possibility for the match result if Garcia don't get red card during early minutes conceded have moment to make come back but playing 10 players since 10th minutes make it difficult how to face Monaco pressure playing well and success securing the first three points for their Champion League appearances.

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The reward for the most boring match of the night goes to Atalanta vs Arsenal! Grin

It was literally the only match with no goal. I never imagined it that way. Just think about it you make a betslip of over 2.5 goals, BTTS etc. and add this match into it as well. It would be devastating...

I was thrilled with Monaco's win. Even though that red card was a big help, I believe they still had a promising squad to go for points home. Hansi Flick's team still didn't lose by a big gap despite playing fully defensive after.

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 19, 2024, 05:07:47 PM

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I called it. I knew it won't be an easy game for Arsenal, they were the favourite but should be lucky to earn even that 1 point. The major credit for that goes to Arsenal's goalkeeper, Raya who made a fantastic double save of Retegui's penalty. Retegui should've done better on that rebound, he seemed to have enough time to take a better aim with that header, but it went right in the middle of the goal, making it possible for Raya to save it.
Apparently it was Atalanta's first ever goalless draw in their Champion's League history. What's a bit strange, it's Arsenal's 3rd away Champion's League game in a row, when they failed to score a goal.

Arsenal does not play impressive football in UCL and they only have strength when they are playing EPL matches. Arsenal should be gald that they had Rayp who prevented the penalty and made two double safe.

Atalanta tried a lot because i never expected such a good performance from them after having a terrible start of this season.

Arsenal seems pretty amazing in defense, but their offense was crap. They didn't even have the intention to win that game against Atalanta. They recorded 5 shots and 2 on target in their first 22 minutes, but then, they only recorded 1 shot in the rest. And you're right about Raya's double save; it was something for them.

I might sound biased, but Arsenal's gameplay looked so terrible without Ødegaard. They lose their attacking shape, passing, and horrible ball circulation. Their control drops drastically. And it makes me realised how important odegaard for them.

Arsenal - Odegaard = awful to watch.

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Quote from: Popkon6 on September 19, 2024, 06:51:57 PM

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On the other hand Barcelona surprisingly lost from Monaco with slim scores and since Dani Olmo got the injury Hansi Flick was decide to playing with some of young players but apparently this strategy didn't run well even Eric García have to gets red card and playing with 10 players is not easy for Barcelona because they were having trouble and during the match they were playing under pressure and this is Barcelona first loses under Hansi Flick

Barcelona player Eric Garcia wouldn't have been sent off with a red card if he hadn't played with passion. After Eric Garcia went off the field, the Monaco team took advantage of this opportunity and scored a goal for the Monaco team. And when the game was leveled again in the 28th minute, the game continued like this for a long time, but then again in the 71st minute, Monaco player George llenikhena scored a goal.
It was a very simple goal. From in front of the Monaco team's goal post, the ball was thrown directly into the Barcelona team's D box, from where George llenikhena directly entered the goal post through another player. And the match was won 2-1 by AS Monaco team, but the gamblers lost the most in this match. They were the worst for the Barcelona team.

In my opinion this is a fatal failure for Barcelona in utilizing the 3 initial points in this event because they had to lose one of their midfielders early in the first half, and after he came out Barcelona really lost and they continued to get attacks until what happened in the end was a score of 2-1 for Monaco, but it must be admitted here Monaco looks very confident by playing with its young players Monaco's game is also very piercing and in my opinion they deserve to win this match and Barcelona destroyed us with a betting loss.

A little disappointed with this defeat which made me lose my chance even though I was quite sure with their current performance they were quite good in the previous match but in the Champions they seemed to lose control and in my opinion what is more important for Flick is to balance their mentality so as not to make something fatal that is not desired so that we are together in a state of victory.

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Quote from: bering on September 19, 2024, 05:22:47 PM

On the other hand Barcelona surprisingly lost from Monaco with slim scores and since Dani Olmo got the injury Hansi Flick was decide to playing with some of young players but apparently this strategy didn't run well even Eric García have to gets red card and playing with 10 players is not easy for Barcelona because they were having trouble and during the match they were playing under pressure and this is Barcelona first loses under Hansi Flick

Barcelona player Eric Garcia wouldn't have been sent off with a red card if he hadn't played with passion. After Eric Garcia went off the field, the Monaco team took advantage of this opportunity and scored a goal for the Monaco team. And when the game was leveled again in the 28th minute, the game continued like this for a long time, but then again in the 71st minute, Monaco player George llenikhena scored a goal.
It was a very simple goal. From in front of the Monaco team's goal post, the ball was thrown directly into the Barcelona team's D box, from where George llenikhena directly entered the goal post through another player. And the match was won 2-1 by AS Monaco team, but the gamblers lost the most in this match. They were the worst for the Barcelona team.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on September 19, 2024, 06:24:25 PM

Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 19, 2024, 05:07:47 PM

Arsenal does not play impressive football in UCL and they only have strength when they are playing EPL matches. Arsenal should be gald that they had Rayp who prevented the penalty and made two double safe.

Atalanta tried a lot because i never expected such a good performance from them after having a terrible start of this season.

This is the champions league and every club must be respected, many actually underestimated Gasprin and his boys because of the difficulty they have had to their Seria A campaign but I usually say this Atlanta are always something else when it comes to European football after all they are the Europa league champions and that’s a big difference already considering Arsenal hasn’t won anything yet. Today Arsenal was once again lacking creativity in the midfield as the team played just disorganized. This signifies the importance of their captain who many of the fans do not even acknowledge that much by saying he is slow or the likes of that. Now they look lost without him, I have always been saying that the players like Odegaard are just so rare to find in football they do not have that much strength but they dictate the play. Arsenal were just lucky to have gotten a point from this game. Next is the anticipated game against the league champions hopefully they wouldn’t play this disjointed there

I thought I was the only one who noticed how the midfield struggled to keep the ball in the game. When the Arsenal team gets to win the ball they get indecisiveness on what to do with the ball in the second half. And the pressure from Atalanta increased after seeing the weakness in the Arsenals midfield. Now who will agree with me that the creativity of Arsenal's midfield lies in the hands of Odegard and with his absence it has affected the team in a way that in tough situations they lack imagination.

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Quote from: Zaguru12 on September 19, 2024, 06:24:25 PM

Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 19, 2024, 05:07:47 PM

Arsenal does not play impressive football in UCL and they only have strength when they are playing EPL matches. Arsenal should be gald that they had Rayp who prevented the penalty and made two double safe.

Atalanta tried a lot because i never expected such a good performance from them after having a terrible start of this season.

Getting a draw at Atalanta I don't think is a poor result from Mikel Arteta's men. Atalanta is one of the best performing Italian clubs since the start of the year and also possess quality players that can beat any top European team so avoiding a defeat while playing in Atalanta's home turf I think isn't a bad result. Arsenal's top performer of the night was David Raya who made a double quick save which included one from the penalty spot to help his team secure a win in that game.
Gian Piero Gasperini will be disappointed with his team's failure to get all three points from that game despite being awarded a penalty but I think it's a fair result for both teams

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on September 19, 2024, 02:48:09 PM

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There are some games we don't need to talk about, like the Bayern Munich game that ended 9-2. I wonder what the visitors was even doing last night in that game, 9 goals was served to the Zagrab team and one would think it's a club friendly game with that amount of goals, now Bayern Munich are flexing their muscles on teams that are below their standard but we won't see such scores against team like PSG, Madrid or even Barcelona e.t.c, well it was the biggest win last night. Tonight we might not be seeing any high scoreline but a more competitive game with much draws.

Although I expected a good win margin but not up to nine goals. In my stake I placed my bet on over 3.5 goals to be scored in the match but Bayern Munich exceeded my expectations and thrashed Dinamo Zagreb nine goals to two…..a scoreline similar to 8:2 trashing of Barcelona in the champions league some years back. Vincent Kompany is doing a good job with the current players in his possession especially Musiala and Oliseh who are in superb form this season.

Bayern Munich acted like the Bayern Munich we knew back then in 2015 when they had Lewandowski as their striker and some other active players, any team they come against have no chance of holding them to a draw at half time but things started changing as players made their move to different clubs. Now we have the little man with a big heart that does the magic for the Barbarians, talking about Musiala, if you give this guy from now till the next 3-4 years I think he'll be at the top 3 of the contestants in the Ballon d'Or and he'll outshine his mates in the world of football, I just hope he continues to be consistent.
Kompany is doing all his best to keep the players in check and also making sure he doesn't find himself on the line of being fired because those in charge only want positive results not like what they had last season that they lost those familiar trophies they're suppose to win, if Kompany have a chance of winning the champions league then it will be a win win for both him as a coach and the board of directors, they might consider extending his contract.

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Quote from: Ruttoshi on September 19, 2024, 05:07:47 PM

Arsenal does not play impressive football in UCL and they only have strength when they are playing EPL matches. Arsenal should be gald that they had Rayp who prevented the penalty and made two double safe.

Atalanta tried a lot because i never expected such a good performance from them after having a terrible start of this season.

This is the champions league and every club must be respected, many actually underestimated Gasprin and his boys because of the difficulty they have had to their Seria A campaign but I usually say this Atlanta are always something else when it comes to European football after all they are the Europa league champions and that’s a big difference already considering Arsenal hasn’t won anything yet. Today Arsenal was once again lacking creativity in the midfield as the team played just disorganized. This signifies the importance of their captain who many of the fans do not even acknowledge that much by saying he is slow or the likes of that. Now they look lost without him, I have always been saying that the players like Odegaard are just so rare to find in football they do not have that much strength but they dictate the play. Arsenal were just lucky to have gotten a point from this game. Next is the anticipated game against the league champions hopefully they wouldn’t play this disjointed there

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on September 19, 2024, 04:57:04 PM

It's like I am beginning to like this format of the Champions League. It is definitely revealing many things that we haven't known before. Looking at the table now you might predict the country that has the most efficient football clubs. In the top five of this table will are able to see three German Bundesliga clubs, this could mean that those guys have improved very well in that League.

German league has improved since last season and that have really changed their competition in the Bundesliga also. Many teams are coming up and showing great resistance and showing a lot of potential for the league title alongside the teams that have been making it to the top four of the table season after season. Their performance when replicated in the champions league gave birth to what we see from them, I’m really impressed and happy of their progress in the champions league race after match day 1.

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As an English Premier League fan, I have been looking at the Premier League clubs but only Aston Villa is at the top four. Though we have Liverpool who also has gathered to themselves complete three points. Manchester City and Arsenal who are the brightest clubs in the English Premier League now since that they fed to secure 3 points in their first leg. I would like to see how the table will be in the second round or the Champions League.

The champions league is still in its early stage and I won’t want to conclude yet on any team. One game played can give you a fake arrangement on the table until many more matches are played to make it a more clearer view and more accurate results from each team. The toppers now can come down at anytime and those beneath them can take over. It’s a fierce competition, so I expect every team to be at their best.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 19, 2024, 05:49:56 PM

Yeah, Arsenal should draw today and I don't think that's bad because there are still some matches left to collect points. I agree with you that maybe Arsenal will save some players for this week's important games so they have to take a safer strategy that's why we see in this match they seem to play more defensively. In the 2nd match Arsenal will play at home against PSG on October 2, well this is another opportunity for them to catch up. we know Arsenal can be relied on because they are playing at home.

Arsenal is seriously lacking in creative options in attack, that is why they are massively depending on just defense. Odegaard missing and they still do not have options as replacement in midfield to create those chances. Arsenal missed Odegaard again against Atalanta, he would have made their midfield much better and improved than it was.

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By the way in another match Barcelona were defeated, of course this surprised us a little because previously Barcelona was predicted not to lose and the worst thing that could happen was a draw but this is a fact after the red card in the 10th minute Barcelona game got worse and they only have 4 shots, one of them is a goal. I'm sure many gamblers lost their bets because we know Barcelona is on fire so it doesn't make sense if they lose, luckily I didn't watch this match and didn't place a bet.

The red card situation put Barcelona in a tight spot, they almost got a point from the game, Monaco were just too good.

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Quote from: Coyster on September 19, 2024, 05:52:17 PM

There is no need looking at the CL table right now, the CL table will start to take shape after 3-4 games in, but one thing i can confirm is that it is going to be tough, particularly to make the top 8. I don't like the new format, yes it makes it more competitive, but is it necessary? In the former format, the CL comes to life in the RO16 phase which is exciting, but right now from the first game, we are getting a repeat of 2 years ago's final: City v Inter.

Agree. The current position on the table will be very temporary only, it is still 1 match only. Some teams faced weak teams, and other have strong teams. It is very normal that some teams could get full points because they played against weak teams. Bayern Munich, Aston Villa, Celtic, Leverkusen, and Dortmund played against weak teams. Meanwhile the teams like AC Milan, Man City, Inter Milan, and Arsenal failed to get full points because they played against strong teams.

Well, the new format seems to be a more difficult for any team. But it is interesting because all the teams must face one another since the early stage. Although, there will be no teams to got UEL, this is a more fair than previous format. If there is an advantage and disadvantage of the new format, I think it is reasonable.

Quote from: Coyster on September 19, 2024, 05:52:17 PM

I think due to the competitiveness from the early stages this time around, quite a lot will be taken out of the players before we reach the later stages, and they might not perform at their best at that time.

Any team who don't prepare themselves well since the early of the stage, they will be possible to be eliminated very soon.
In the league phase, only 8 teams which will be qualified automatically. Some teams will be eliminated, other teams will go to play-off round.
Don't you think this will be a more fun, dude? Undecided

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on September 19, 2024, 05:06:57 PM

It was expected that Arsenal were going to struggle without Odegaard. Arteta could not find someone to cover the gap or develop a new strategy that can help the team advance through without Odegaard. Arsenal fans should find comfort in the fact that Manchester City also had a draw yesterday. I think Arteta is saving his boys for their fixture against Manchester City this weekend.

I didn't expect that Arsenal will struggle in their match against Atlanta. For the fact that odegaard was not in the midfield does not mean that Arsenal should just struggle. I mean Arsenal is a complete team and not an average team.
In general the matches tonight seems not go as expected, especially Barcelona losing it against Monaco and Arsenal unable to get a goal against Atlanta. I didn't expect it that way.

Meanwhile, there's enough time for everyone to re-adjust their performance and give better in the next round of the competition.

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on September 19, 2024, 05:06:57 PM

Other than the Leverkusen match I thought today's match was a bit boring because in the end there wasn't anything that could be said to be a tense situation in the 90 minutes of the match and even I regretted watching the Arsenal match today because it made me more sleepy.
The monotonous performance that was shown made me try to find something more interesting than seeing the game run.

For Barcelona, it's a little less fun with this result especially because it happened because of a red card which could have been minimized because the case was not too urgent for a red card but because of the wrong communication and there was a little contact even though it tended to be more diving, Barcelona had to lose points in their first week in the league phase in the Champions League this time.
With the loss of 1 player, Barcelona were tactically inconvenienced to make a breakthrough which ended up they could not confront further into the Monaco defense in today's match.

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I will pin Barcelona's loss today on Flick. He got it wrong from the beginning. There was no reason to start Garcia. With Olmo injured, he could have gone with Ferran Torres in the wing and Raphina as the attacking midfielder. I know Ferran is not that good but it's better to have a bad winger than a bad midfielder.
In the second half, he should have started with Raphina on the bench and probably Pablo Torre to assist the midfield so they could get control of the game. Barcelona could have at least gotten a point if they controlled the game.

Quote from: Amphenomenon on September 19, 2024, 05:15:42 PM

I don't think I like this especially after the players complained about how stressful it's for them after these fixtures, is disappointing when it seems like we tge fans don't really care about their wellbeing.

I like the new format. For the more games, it's just 2 extra games. I know that it can be more for clubs that will have to play a playoff but the Champions League hasn't changed much in terms of games played. The problem is that teams that should have played on Tuesday or Wednesday will now have to play on Sunday again which means they have lesser time to rest.
The main problem is with the international breaks. The breaks are unnecessarily too much. the Nations League and other friendlies.

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There is no need looking at the CL table right now, the CL table will start to take shape after 3-4 games in, but one thing i can confirm is that it is going to be tough, particularly to make the top 8. I don't like the new format, yes it makes it more competitive, but is it necessary? In the former format, the CL comes to life in the RO16 phase which is exciting, but right now from the first game, we are getting a repeat of 2 years ago's final: City v Inter.

I think due to the competitiveness from the early stages this time around, quite a lot will be taken out of the players before we reach the later stages, and they might not perform at their best at that time.

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