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Quote from: S4VV4S on December 01, 2021, 10:18:50 AM

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The Group B is really tense now. Liverpool have won all of their games so far and their position is very comfortable. The real competition is going on between Milan, Atletico Madrid and Porto. These teams all still have a chance to advance. The last games are: Milan v Liverpool, Porto v Atletico Madrid. I'm favoring Milan and Atletico in these games. Liverpool are already safe and they wouldn't make a big effort in this game I guess. Milan would benefit from this chance and defeat them. They made Liverpool big difficulties before too. And Atletico Madrid are powerful enough to defeat Porto. Maybe their previous game ended up with a 0-0 draw but I don't expect a similar thing to happen again.

Its not really about who needs the point most between Liverpool and Milan its a game of who controls the ball best and who makes better use of their chances. Both Milan and Liverpool either of the team would win. I will get two slips for the match then predict a straight win for Athletico Madrid even though it wouldn't be too easy playing against porto

What your prediction between Milan versus Liverpool which one will win if you? I think you prefer choose and predict Milan will win but I disagree because Liverpool want to create perfect on stage group by winning on all match, now Liverpool success win on five match and left one match with Milan, first leg on Anfield Milan success made Liverpool working hard before final score is 3-2 for Liverpool winning, but second leg I think the same Liverpool can defeat AC Milan maybe with three goals.

Yes, Liverpool can still fight for another win as they may want to win all of their group games. But the same Liverpool can prefer rotating their squad not to wear their players out before the EPL game on the same week. Honestly, I would do just like that if I were in Klopp's place. There is no need to make your players very tired for an unimportant game. In this case, Milan's chance to win would rise a lot.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 02, 2021, 06:05:03 AM

The fact is that the team that has not have the ability to win against Benfica. We should not expect such a team to win against Bayern Munich. Yet it is a football match, anything can happen on the field. But if Bayern play with their full strength, and if they really want to win this match, Barcelona will lose.

In fact, it's huge luck that Barca has any chance at all of advancing in the CL. If you look at the last game against Benfica, Seferovic of Benfica had a 100% chance to make it 2-1 for Benfica in the last minute of the game. He missed miserably. If he had made the goal, Benfica would already be as good as further and Barca only in the Euro Leauge.
Bayern is a bit weakened at the moment and they have the league top match against Dortmund on Saturday. I see that as the only chance for Barca.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on December 02, 2021, 05:30:16 AM

The Milan - Liverpool and Porto - Atletico Madrid matches are going to carry a big importance next week. Because except Liverpool's guaranteed position, the rest of the teams are still competing for the 2nd place. And they have one last chance. All of them would like to benefit from this chance very well. Porto are the most advantageous team now as they are one point ahead of Milan and Atletico both. In case they defeat Atletico, they are the qualifiers. However, I think Atletico will win that match. And Milan will also beat Liverpool and become the last qualifiers for the next round.

It's very difficult for AC Milan to beat Liferpol, because Liferpol's performance is now very good, last night Liferpol was able to beat Everton with a score of 4-1, it's most likely that Porto will advance to the round of 16 accompanying Liferpol, because Porto is enough to play in a draw with ATM, to be sure one ticket to the last 16..

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Quote from: hahay on December 02, 2021, 07:17:47 AM

Not sure Bayern Munich will play second tier players, because after all both are great teams which of course their prestige will remain high and their target is always to win. It doesn't matter what kind of situation and condition each team is in, because the most important thing for them is a positive result which of course they will continue to aim for victory. Although indeed, it won't be a problem if Bayern Munich loses but I'm not sure Bayern Munich will relax the attack and even though Barcelona can play well, I still don't believe Barcelona will get points in this last match.

No more!
We cannot forget the monetary prize that teams receive for each victory. It's not just the fact that you qualify, every victory earns you a lot of money. I don't see the Germans giving that money easily to Barcelona.

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Barcelona should have finished the job in the game against Benfica in Camp Nou. If they won that, they would have guaranteed qualifying for the next round of the Champions League and would have played comfortable in their last game. But the Benfica game ended up with a draw by 0-0 and Barcelona made their job much difficult. And they are very unlucky that they're going to play against Bayern Munich in Allianz Arena in their last game. And they have no choice rather than winning. Because Benfica would be able to defeat D. Kyiv easily I guess. And the Bayern Munich I've known so far still wouldn't be okay to a loss even though they have won all of their five games in the group.

Yes, the previous match against Benfica was a good chance for Barcelona to win because besides that, yesterday Barcelona played at home which of course Barcelona had to win but Benfica was able to suppress all attacks made by Barcelona. Basically Barcelona have been good by dominating the match but unfortunately the final result is still not as expected, and thus against Bayern Munich is something that is very difficult moreover, Barcelona play under a lot of pressure in many factors.

I think that is Barcelona being under a lot of pressure should motivate them to perform well and if Bayern Munich actually places with their weaker team then I think Barcelona has a legend chance to win this match. But Barcelona does have to play well and I think ok as they are playing with more passes and tiki taka style it will be e effective against Bayern Munich.

Not sure Bayern Munich will play second tier players, because after all both are great teams which of course their prestige will remain high and their target is always to win. It doesn't matter what kind of situation and condition each team is in, because the most important thing for them is a positive result which of course they will continue to aim for victory. Although indeed, it won't be a problem if Bayern Munich loses but I'm not sure Bayern Munich will relax the attack and even though Barcelona can play well, I still don't believe Barcelona will get points in this last match.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 02, 2021, 01:42:55 AM

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Bayern can destroy Barcelona again. They are stronger than Barcelona is a first reason, and a second reason is Barcelona still have issues with their whole system as well as their defense. Bayern are showing that they have some weaknesses that can be compromised by other clubs but I don't believe Barcelona can do it with what they have now.

For Barcelona to win the game, Bayern must play very badly. Even players who normally sit on Bayern bench are playing better than Barcelona best starter.
Now, of course there can be surprises, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Even so, I think it will be difficult for Barcelona to beat Bayern (even if Bayer saves players, which I doubt).
For Bayern, it's even possible to eliminate Barcelona from the competition. You never know if they don't recover and beyond the competition things will get more difficult if they find each other again.

It is difficult but not impossible for Barcelona to beat Bayern Munich. Since this match is unimportant for Bayern Munich. So maybe they will put their key players on the bench. If that happens then Barcelona has a chance to win. However, Barcelona are now weaker than Bayern's second squad. If Xavi can improve Barcelona's performance by devising new plans and strategies, then maybe Barcelona has a chance to win.

Yes, I agree with you but the problem is we have to look at the Bayern Munich playing first. And hope that they are playing their second team. And I also think that Barcelona is a lot quicker than Bayern Munich right now but I do think that it is they can play really well they can come out as the winners.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 02, 2021, 03:23:17 AM

There is no way Bayern can let them win, that's obviously not allowed in football, the only thing you can say is that, Bayern will prolly field a weaker team to give other fringe players some game time as they have already qualified and topped the group as well, thus if that is the case, Barcelona then automatically have the advantage, but we'd have to see the team list for Bayern first.

Having said that, all the pressure will be on Barcelona, they can't afford to drop to the Europa league, it'll affect their club reputation, they'll be hoping Dynamo Kyiv puts up a fight against Benfica and they themselves get the result against Bayern, it's really going to be an interesting final matchday in that group, and the final outcome could have real consequences.

The best case scenario for Barcelona would be that Bayern Munich would rotate their squad in this match. Because they are already very comfortable and they are going to play a Bundesliga match by only a two-day rest. This seems to be a quite probable scenario in my opinion. If this happens, Barcelona have to make use of this last chance in the right way. Otherwise they will have to say goodbye to the CL.

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Barcelona are in a really troubling situation now in their group. Maybe they are still at the second position but they are only two points ahead of Benfica before the last matches. Benfica would defeat D. Kyiv easily most probably as D. Kyiv have no aim left in the CL. In that situation, Barcelona will have to defeat Bayern Munich away. Barcelona have started recovering as of Xavi's coming and they have made some changes in their game plan. But I wonder if Bayern Munich will let them win even though they are the leader of the group for certain.

There is no way Bayern can let them win, that's obviously not allowed in football, the only thing you can say is that, Bayern will prolly field a weaker team to give other fringe players some game time as they have already qualified and topped the group as well, thus if that is the case, Barcelona then automatically have the advantage, but we'd have to see the team list for Bayern first.
Having said that, all the pressure will be on Barcelona, they can't afford to drop to the Europa league, it'll affect their club reputation, they'll be hoping Dynamo Kyiv puts up a fight against Benfica and they themselves get the result against Bayern, it's really going to be an interesting final matchday in that group, and the final outcome could have real consequences.

I think that Barcelona will try their hardest to win against Bayern. And they obviously have to win if they want to qualify to the next level but I don't think that Bayern will let that happen and even though Bayern Munich might just form a weaker team Barcelona will still face a really big problem beat them.

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Quote from: Coyster on December 02, 2021, 03:23:17 AM

Quote from: Turbolinea on December 01, 2021, 07:18:09 AM

Barcelona are in a really troubling situation now in their group. Maybe they are still at the second position but they are only two points ahead of Benfica before the last matches. Benfica would defeat D. Kyiv easily most probably as D. Kyiv have no aim left in the CL. In that situation, Barcelona will have to defeat Bayern Munich away. Barcelona have started recovering as of Xavi's coming and they have made some changes in their game plan. But I wonder if Bayern Munich will let them win even though they are the leader of the group for certain.

There is no way Bayern can let them win, that's obviously not allowed in football, the only thing you can say is that, Bayern will prolly field a weaker team to give other fringe players some game time as they have already qualified and topped the group as well, thus if that is the case, Barcelona then automatically have the advantage, but we'd have to see the team list for Bayern first.

Having said that, all the pressure will be on Barcelona, they can't afford to drop to the Europa league, it'll affect their club reputation, they'll be hoping Dynamo Kyiv puts up a fight against Benfica and they themselves get the result against Bayern, it's really going to be an interesting final matchday in that group, and the final outcome could have real consequences.

Barcelona should win against with Bayern if want pass to 16 round because champion league will use head to head format qualify to the next round if two club have the same points. Benfica looks easy to win from D Kyiv and will get eight points and Barcelona has seven points and if success get three points from Bayern they can qualify to next stage as runner up position, if match draw Barcelona will play on Europe league in this season and very funny to see Barcelona for the first time not success pass from group stage.

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Quote from: Turbolinea on December 02, 2021, 05:51:23 AM

Quote from: tyz on December 01, 2021, 08:47:25 AM

Quote from: Turbolinea on December 01, 2021, 07:18:09 AM

Barcelona are in a really troubling situation now in their group. Maybe they are still at the second position but they are only two points ahead of Benfica before the last matches. Benfica would defeat D. Kyiv easily most probably as D. Kyiv have no aim left in the CL. In that situation, Barcelona will have to defeat Bayern Munich away. Barcelona have started recovering as of Xavi's coming and they have made some changes in their game plan. But I wonder if Bayern Munich will let them win even though they are the leader of the group for certain.

Barca got themselves into the situation by drawing against Benfica. Had they won, they would have already qualified for the next round. Now they have to win against Bayern. Even a draw would not be enough if Benfica wins against Kiev, because then they would be equal on points, but in the direct comparison Barca would have the disadvantage.

Exactly! Barcelona should have played much better to be able to defeat Benfica and secure their place in the group stage. But they just got a 0-0 draw and made things even more difficult for themselves. We know how disciplined Bayern Munich are like always. Even if they guarantee something or not, they don't play like they don't care the remaining game(s). Barcelona need to have some luck also in that game.

The fact is that the team that has not have the ability to win against Benfica. We should not expect such a team to win against Bayern Munich. Yet it is a football match, anything can happen on the field. But if Bayern play with their full strength, and if they really want to win this match, Barcelona will lose.

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Quote from: tyz on December 01, 2021, 08:47:25 AM

Quote from: Turbolinea on December 01, 2021, 07:18:09 AM

Barcelona are in a really troubling situation now in their group. Maybe they are still at the second position but they are only two points ahead of Benfica before the last matches. Benfica would defeat D. Kyiv easily most probably as D. Kyiv have no aim left in the CL. In that situation, Barcelona will have to defeat Bayern Munich away. Barcelona have started recovering as of Xavi's coming and they have made some changes in their game plan. But I wonder if Bayern Munich will let them win even though they are the leader of the group for certain.

Barca got themselves into the situation by drawing against Benfica. Had they won, they would have already qualified for the next round. Now they have to win against Bayern. Even a draw would not be enough if Benfica wins against Kiev, because then they would be equal on points, but in the direct comparison Barca would have the disadvantage.

Exactly! Barcelona should have played much better to be able to defeat Benfica and secure their place in the group stage. But they just got a 0-0 draw and made things even more difficult for themselves. We know how disciplined Bayern Munich are like always. Even if they guarantee something or not, they don't play like they don't care the remaining game(s). Barcelona need to have some luck also in that game.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 02, 2021, 02:11:42 AM

Barcelona should have finished the job in the game against Benfica in Camp Nou. If they won that, they would have guaranteed qualifying for the next round of the Champions League and would have played comfortable in their last game. But the Benfica game ended up with a draw by 0-0 and Barcelona made their job much difficult. And they are very unlucky that they're going to play against Bayern Munich in Allianz Arena in their last game. And they have no choice rather than winning. Because Benfica would be able to defeat D. Kyiv easily I guess. And the Bayern Munich I've known so far still wouldn't be okay to a loss even though they have won all of their five games in the group.

Yes, the previous match against Benfica was a good chance for Barcelona to win because besides that, yesterday Barcelona played at home which of course Barcelona had to win but Benfica was able to suppress all attacks made by Barcelona. Basically Barcelona have been good by dominating the match but unfortunately the final result is still not as expected, and thus against Bayern Munich is something that is very difficult moreover, Barcelona play under a lot of pressure in many factors.

I think that is Barcelona being under a lot of pressure should motivate them to perform well and if Bayern Munich actually places with their weaker team then I think Barcelona has a legend chance to win this match. But Barcelona does have to play well and I think ok as they are playing with more passes and tiki taka style it will be e effective against Bayern Munich.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 02, 2021, 02:11:42 AM

Barcelona should have finished the job in the game against Benfica in Camp Nou. If they won that, they would have guaranteed qualifying for the next round of the Champions League and would have played comfortable in their last game. But the Benfica game ended up with a draw by 0-0 and Barcelona made their job much difficult. And they are very unlucky that they're going to play against Bayern Munich in Allianz Arena in their last game. And they have no choice rather than winning. Because Benfica would be able to defeat D. Kyiv easily I guess. And the Bayern Munich I've known so far still wouldn't be okay to a loss even though they have won all of their five games in the group.

I totally agree with you, because I also think that the match against benfica is the only big chance that barcelona has to qualify, but unfortunately barcelona failed to take advantage of it well and made the match against bayern munchen their last hope for now, Even though Bayern Munich has certainly qualified, I don't think Bayern Munich will lose in last match and let Barcelona qualify for the next round.

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The Milan - Liverpool and Porto - Atletico Madrid matches are going to carry a big importance next week. Because except Liverpool's guaranteed position, the rest of the teams are still competing for the 2nd place. And they have one last chance. All of them would like to benefit from this chance very well. Porto are the most advantageous team now as they are one point ahead of Milan and Atletico both. In case they defeat Atletico, they are the qualifiers. However, I think Atletico will win that match. And Milan will also beat Liverpool and become the last qualifiers for the next round.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 02, 2021, 01:42:55 AM

It is difficult but not impossible for Barcelona to beat Bayern Munich. Since this match is unimportant for Bayern Munich. So maybe they will put their key players on the bench. If that happens then Barcelona has a chance to win. However, Barcelona are now weaker than Bayern's second squad. If Xavi can improve Barcelona's performance by devising new plans and strategies, then maybe Barcelona has a chance to win.

This is true, but my analysis is made with a view to the future of the competition.

The market opens in January, it is true that financially Barcelona is not doing well, but being Barcelona it can be strengthened in the next transfer market. There is a chance that in a few months Barcelona will be much better.

If they stay in the competition, there could be a chance that Bayern will meet Barcelona again. Do they want this confrontation?
Maybe it's better that they've warded off a potential adversary now, rather than having to face him in the future.

That's why I think Bayern won't make this game easier.

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Quote from: Turbolinea on December 01, 2021, 07:18:09 AM

Barcelona are in a really troubling situation now in their group. Maybe they are still at the second position but they are only two points ahead of Benfica before the last matches. Benfica would defeat D. Kyiv easily most probably as D. Kyiv have no aim left in the CL. In that situation, Barcelona will have to defeat Bayern Munich away. Barcelona have started recovering as of Xavi's coming and they have made some changes in their game plan. But I wonder if Bayern Munich will let them win even though they are the leader of the group for certain.

There is no way Bayern can let them win, that's obviously not allowed in football, the only thing you can say is that, Bayern will prolly field a weaker team to give other fringe players some game time as they have already qualified and topped the group as well, thus if that is the case, Barcelona then automatically have the advantage, but we'd have to see the team list for Bayern first.

Having said that, all the pressure will be on Barcelona, they can't afford to drop to the Europa league, it'll affect their club reputation, they'll be hoping Dynamo Kyiv puts up a fight against Benfica and they themselves get the result against Bayern, it's really going to be an interesting final matchday in that group, and the final outcome could have real consequences.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 02, 2021, 02:11:42 AM

Barcelona should have finished the job in the game against Benfica in Camp Nou. If they won that, they would have guaranteed qualifying for the next round of the Champions League and would have played comfortable in their last game. But the Benfica game ended up with a draw by 0-0 and Barcelona made their job much difficult. And they are very unlucky that they're going to play against Bayern Munich in Allianz Arena in their last game. And they have no choice rather than winning. Because Benfica would be able to defeat D. Kyiv easily I guess. And the Bayern Munich I've known so far still wouldn't be okay to a loss even though they have won all of their five games in the group.

Yes, the previous match against Benfica was a good chance for Barcelona to win because besides that, yesterday Barcelona played at home which of course Barcelona had to win but Benfica was able to suppress all attacks made by Barcelona. Basically Barcelona have been good by dominating the match but unfortunately the final result is still not as expected, and thus against Bayern Munich is something that is very difficult moreover, Barcelona play under a lot of pressure in many factors.

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Barcelona should have finished the job in the game against Benfica in Camp Nou. If they won that, they would have guaranteed qualifying for the next round of the Champions League and would have played comfortable in their last game. But the Benfica game ended up with a draw by 0-0 and Barcelona made their job much difficult. And they are very unlucky that they're going to play against Bayern Munich in Allianz Arena in their last game. And they have no choice rather than winning. Because Benfica would be able to defeat D. Kyiv easily I guess. And the Bayern Munich I've known so far still wouldn't be okay to a loss even though they have won all of their five games in the group.

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Quote from: OcTradism on December 01, 2021, 11:02:39 AM

Bayern can destroy Barcelona again. They are stronger than Barcelona is a first reason, and a second reason is Barcelona still have issues with their whole system as well as their defense. Bayern are showing that they have some weaknesses that can be compromised by other clubs but I don't believe Barcelona can do it with what they have now.

For Barcelona to win the game, Bayern must play very badly. Even players who normally sit on Bayern bench are playing better than Barcelona best starter.
Now, of course there can be surprises, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Even so, I think it will be difficult for Barcelona to beat Bayern (even if Bayer saves players, which I doubt).
For Bayern, it's even possible to eliminate Barcelona from the competition. You never know if they don't recover and beyond the competition things will get more difficult if they find each other again.

It is difficult but not impossible for Barcelona to beat Bayern Munich. Since this match is unimportant for Bayern Munich. So maybe they will put their key players on the bench. If that happens then Barcelona has a chance to win. However, Barcelona are now weaker than Bayern's second squad. If Xavi can improve Barcelona's performance by devising new plans and strategies, then maybe Barcelona has a chance to win.

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Liverpool could prioritize premier league as much as they want to, but that doesn't change the fact that other teams there prioritize it as well. The winner of EPL gets over 40 million pounds, and yes champions league still pays a bit more but that requires you to beat everyone for at least one game, probably in two games and elimination stage. Whereas league is a bit more forgiving, you could lose points here and there but you could still be champions, undefeated championship is not the aim, you could have ties and losses and still be champions very easily as long as you keep them to minimum.

UCL doesn't give that right, you end up getting eliminated if you lose too badly. Hence Liverpool could try their best at EPL but they would be facing many other teams with the same aim. Any team that wins EPL and UCL at the same time would have so much money to spend for the next season as well, maybe they should start focusing on that?

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