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Quote from: KingsDen on November 30, 2021, 05:09:57 PM

Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

Messi is not a player of the Polish team, so it is not reasonable to question whether he will qualify for the group stage with a Polish player. Messi wins Copa America with Argentina This is his big achievement. Argentina has not won a title in a long time. Moreover, Messi has been the best scorer in Copa America. This is a big achievement for the national team Messi. Lewandowski did not play well with the national team. Maybe his squad is not good. But at the end of the day he failed in the national team. It must be accepted.

But then Jorginho won the Champions League, European competition recently held and hosted by England also scoring the highest goals for Chelsea last season... although seven of those was penalties.
I'll be totally upset if I'm Lewandoski.
Should it be that, because Messi is currently in France it's a direct win for him. ?....it simply biased decisions from the host.
Lewan deserves it better.

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In fact, I hope Liverpool will continue to appear with their main players, apart from the match against Milan there will be no effect at all because Liverpool's 15 points cannot be pursued by other teams. If Liverpool beat Milan the match between Porto versus Atletico Madrid is a game that is quite important like a final, whoever wins will qualify for the next round.

This will be difficult because their performance is very much different, Especially if we look at AC Milan's last 5 matches in all competitions, They can only win the match against athletico and after that nothing else. In contrast to the Liverpool match which is so overpowered.
I myself really doubt they beat Liverpool in this match.

Basically Liverpool must prioritize the EPL for now, because in the UCL Liverpool have definitely qualified. If later against Milan, Liverpool is still targeting 3 points, then obviously Liverpool prefers to prioritize their prestige in the UCL which I don't think is important for now. Because after all, after Milan was able to win away yesterday against Atlético, at least Milan again has hope of being able to qualify and so also in the last match against Liverpool of course Milan will fight hard to win at the San Siro.

Even though Liverpool's priority is currently in the EPL because the competition there is still fierce and their position is still not safe when compared to the UCL table, but I don't think Liverpool will want to come to the Giuseppe Meazza which is thousands of miles away hoping to lose.
I think even if they play the second tier and make some of their core players on the bench, but they will at least be able to make a draw and even win is very possible.

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Barcelona are facing a difficult situation, it will be tough for them to beat Bayern Munich and even draw is quite doubtful, they don't have good stats away with Bayern and that was when they still have the best squad. Bad results at the start of the season make them very likely to be eliminated from the UCL this season.

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Quote from: hahay on November 30, 2021, 10:34:35 PM

It looks like bad luck is for Barcelona because apart from having to play away, the opponent he will face is Bayern Munich which is one of the strongest teams in Europe. Also, this is the ultimate match that requires Barcelona to win to be able to ensure qualification, as Benfica looks like it is certain to win against Kyiv. Even in the past, when Barcelona were at their best, the fact that Bayern Munich could still beat Barcelona, I can't imagine what the final result will be like. I'm sure Bayern Munich will continue to play with a meaningful professional, they will stay serious and I'm not sure Xavi will be able to bring Barcelona to victory because for a draw it looks like it's still difficult for Barcelona to get.

The match will be tough for Barcelona if Bayern Munich form their full strength main squad. However, since this is not an important match for Bayern Ray. So Bayern's coach might even give a break to their key players. If the key players are not in the squad then Barcelona has a good chance of winning. Benfica, on the other hand, will play against Kyve. It looks like Benfica will win, but Kyve will definitely fight. Predicting such matches is often wrong.

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It looks like bad luck is for Barcelona because apart from having to play away, the opponent he will face is Bayern Munich which is one of the strongest teams in Europe. Also, this is the ultimate match that requires Barcelona to win to be able to ensure qualification, as Benfica looks like it is certain to win against Kyiv. Even in the past, when Barcelona were at their best, the fact that Bayern Munich could still beat Barcelona, I can't imagine what the final result will be like. I'm sure Bayern Munich will continue to play with a meaningful professional, they will stay serious and I'm not sure Xavi will be able to bring Barcelona to victory because for a draw it looks like it's still difficult for Barcelona to get.

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Quote from: KingsDen on November 30, 2021, 05:09:57 PM

Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

Messi is not a player of the Polish team, so it is not reasonable to question whether he will qualify for the group stage with a Polish player. Messi wins Copa America with Argentina This is his big achievement. Argentina has not won a title in a long time. Moreover, Messi has been the best scorer in Copa America. This is a big achievement for the national team Messi. Lewandowski did not play well with the national team. Maybe his squad is not good. But at the end of the day he failed in the national team. It must be accepted.

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Quote from: judas on November 30, 2021, 05:03:21 PM

The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

Just goal different, Both confirmed to the next round, but when they want to avoid meet the winner another group, Chelsea and Juventus must win.
I also doubt Chelsea and Juventus will arrive in the semifinal. I heard the rumors, for this session Chelsea will be focusing on the premier league, the owner has ambitions for the 2021-2022 title. while Juventus as we can see how they very great difficulty for this year.

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Quote from: judas on November 30, 2021, 05:03:21 PM

The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

Last match we know who will be the leader of group H both Chelsea and Juventus have the same points right now just last match become proof who will be leader in this group. Every club will try to be leader on group stage because on next stage not get heavy team, but as second or runner up position will faced with leader on other group and make easy to faced with Manchester City, Bayern, Madrid, Liverpool and who team have qualify as leader on each group stage.

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Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

I am even starting to lose faith in FIFA altogether because it is now being controlled by some money-seeking politicians and people in power. Just look at where the last World Cup was hosted and where the World Cup is going to take place this time and I think you will understand.

Everything now revolves around money, therefore it's no surprise that FIFA is focusing on just accepting countries with vast financial resources willing to invest in the organization. Gone are the days when world up hosting choices were made solely on the basis of merit.

Quote from: KingsDen on November 30, 2021, 05:09:57 PM

I have keenly looked into the Balloon d'or in recent years and it is highly politicised. Every year new standards keep coming in order to incorporate their favourite. I remember the year Messi underperformed, that was the prime year of Harzard in Chelsea. 1st eleven standard was changed to incorporate him.

Yes, he was in fine form, but as a Chelsea fan, I must tell you that dribbling alone will not get you a shot at the Ballon d'Or; you must also score a lot of goals, which is something Hazard lacks, less than 20 goals in the Champions League in his whole Chelsea career. I recall Fabrigas telling Hazard that if he wanted to win the Balon d'Or, he needed to improve his goal scoring rate. To have a chance, you'll need both goals and individual performance.

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Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

With the current average Barcelona squad, Messi won laliga top scorer, most assists, and Lali ga MVP last season. Messi will make the current Polish team look like prime France, which is why he is the best.

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Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or
Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

Well, when we look at the states there Messi is far ahead of Lewandowski. But the reason that everyone is saying Lewandowski should have won is maybe because he had really a big impact on his team. And his team always seems to win. Maybe people were thinking more about team performance instead of individual performance.

I agree with you. Lewandowski's role in Bayern Munich is undeniable. Throughout the season, he has performed consistently. And Bayern Munich has won the league title. But what is his role in the national team? How did he play in the polish team? Messi has helped Argentina to win Copa America this year. Considering this aspect, Messi is ahead of Lewandowski.

I have keenly looked into the Balloon d'or in recent years and it is highly politicised. Every year new standards keep coming in order to incorporate their favourite. I remember the year Messi underperformed, that was the prime year of Harzard in Chelsea. 1st eleven standard was changed to incorporate him.
Talking about Lewa impact in Polish team, can Messi qualify from any group stage if given the crop of players in the Polish team?

Let me patiently wait for 17th January because I'm tired of this Paris award.

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The competition for promoting as the leader in the group H is still on. Chelsea needed to defeat Juventus to have a big chance for the position and they did it. Now Chelsea are the leader even though they have the same points. But I already take it for granted that Chelsea would maintain their lead after the last games also. They are going to play against Zenit away. And Juventus are going to play against Malmo home. I assume that Chelsea and Juventus both will win and they will end the stage at the same positions.

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The next fixture is indeed a bit harder for Milan but I guess Liverpool will loosen up something to give some starting eleven players a rest. With the perfect points they got so far, Liverpool has the discretion to give their substitute players a chance to show up.

I hope they didn't, Liverpool is still on fire, when they loosen up the games it could be affected for another game in the premier league. I hope Klopp doesn't change the formation within the full team like usual, Salah still has a chance to create a new record in the champions league. Right now, Salah is the top score in the champions league but it is possible he will defeat Lewandowski with 8 goals. While Milan, only miracle to bring the team to 2nd round, only if Porto vs Atletico ties.

Milan can also move to the next round if they win their game and Atletico Madrid wins as well but they do it while maintaining the same goal difference, so if Milan were to win 1-0 and Atletico were to win 2-1 then the goal difference between the two will remain the same and Milan will move to the next round, still I do not find it likely they will in their next match against Liverpool, because even if we think they could play some of their players on the bench those players will play with everything they have to show they should have a chance to play with the team more often, and that could be more than enough for Milan to not win that game.

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Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or
Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

Well, when we look at the states there Messi is far ahead of Lewandowski. But the reason that everyone is saying Lewandowski should have won is maybe because he had really a big impact on his team. And his team always seems to win. Maybe people were thinking more about team performance instead of individual performance.

I agree with you. Lewandowski's role in Bayern Munich is undeniable. Throughout the season, he has performed consistently. And Bayern Munich has won the league title. But what is his role in the national team? How did he play in the polish team? Messi has helped Argentina to win Copa America this year. Considering this aspect, Messi is ahead of Lewandowski.

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Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or
Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

Well, when we look at the states there Messi is far ahead of Lewandowski. But the reason that everyone is saying Lewandowski should have won is maybe because he had really a big impact on his team. And his team always seems to win. Maybe people were thinking more about team performance instead of individual performance.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 30, 2021, 01:39:16 PM

Well even though I am a Barcelona fan, But I have to say sadly, I still don't think that Barcelona is going to win against Bayern Munich. But maybe the result will not be as disappointing and embarrassing as there were before.
And I think Benfica will be determined to defeat Dynamo Kyiv because they will not want to drop points in this match at any cost.

If you are a Barcelona fan then you should be optimistic to see your team win that game. I know Bayern Munich is a very difficult opponent for Barcelona in recent seasons, and especially this season Bayern Munich is far superior to Barcelona. However, we can only maintain hope and optimism because losing before the game is not natural. So regain your optimism and let's see what Xavi can bring to his team at the moment.

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It is certain that Benfica will win with Dynamo Kiev of course Benfica will not let it go I just looked at the previous statistics and always distinguish if the difference is far then my assumption is that Dynamo Kiev will not win, although I also do not underestimate the underdog team.The efforts of Barcelona and Benfica will both fight to win but for me still only take my conclusion about this prediction barca 30% of bayern wins.

What makes you think Benfica will easily defeat Dynamo Kiev? Dynamo Kiev will be looking for their first win in the competition, and since it is their final match, they will not make it easy for Benfica. If Benfica must qualify, they must battle Dynamo, and I am confident Bayern Munich will defeat Barcelona.

It's the same thing you make sure that Bayern Munich will win while the opponent is Barcelona, of course it won't be easy and who knows the reverse direction, the same thing Benfica can also suffer the same fate.
I only have faith that Benfica can win this as my prediction, then if the match starts of course no one will know the result because in the last game every team will continue to try to win.
But in this match I will bet on a win between Bayern and Benfica.

Well even though I am a Barcelona fan, But I have to say sadly, I still don't think that Barcelona is going to win against Bayern Munich. But maybe the result will not be as disappointing and embarrassing as there were before.
And I think Benfica will be determined to defeat Dynamo Kyiv because they will not want to drop points in this match at any cost.

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Porto, Milan and Atletico Madrid... I wonder which of them will manage to continue on their way in the Champions League after the last group matches. I must admit that I'm favouring and supporting Milan in this competition. They are going to play against the toughest competitor of the group though. But Liverpool have already secured their leadership. This might be a big opportunity for Milan to win. And then, Milan will hope for the Porto - Atletico Madrid match to end in a draw or Atletico to win with a score that they won't be able to leave Milan behind.

For Milan, I think it will be very difficult to qualify this season, because apart from they have to beat Liverpool, Milan's qualification is also very dependent on the results of other matches later, I think Atletico Madrid and Porto seem to have a greater chance of qualifying for the last 16, because can It is said that Milan must win by a big score if later Athletico manages to beat Porto to win the possible odds via head to head.

This is the toughest group in the Champions League. Liverpool, Porto, Milan and Atletico Madrid. All the teams have full qualification or ability to qualify for the top 16. Those who perform well on the field will advance to the next round. Porto will play in the next match against Madrid. Milan will play against Liverpool. Either team can win these two matches. Since it is a do or die match. So it is difficult to make predictions in these matches. However, the chances of the home team winning will be a bit higher.

Well, the chances of the home team winning are always higher. But I'd really don't think that it is going to matter too much here as it is really do or die situation for almost all of them. But if I do have to make predictions I think I will say that Liverpool wins against Milan and Atletico Madrid wins against Porto.

I have enough doubts about whether Liverpool will win against Milan. Liverpool have probably won all their matches and have already qualified for the next round. However, Milan is not a weak opponent. Since Liverpool have already qualified, their match against Milan is not important. In this situation, Milan has a good chance to win this match. Atletico Madrid Name Porto's match I would say Atletico Madrid would win if both Suarez and Griezmann could score.

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Porto, Milan and Atletico Madrid... I wonder which of them will manage to continue on their way in the Champions League after the last group matches. I must admit that I'm favouring and supporting Milan in this competition. They are going to play against the toughest competitor of the group though. But Liverpool have already secured their leadership. This might be a big opportunity for Milan to win. And then, Milan will hope for the Porto - Atletico Madrid match to end in a draw or Atletico to win with a score that they won't be able to leave Milan behind.

For Milan, I think it will be very difficult to qualify this season, because apart from they have to beat Liverpool, Milan's qualification is also very dependent on the results of other matches later, I think Atletico Madrid and Porto seem to have a greater chance of qualifying for the last 16, because can It is said that Milan must win by a big score if later Athletico manages to beat Porto to win the possible odds via head to head.

This is the toughest group in the Champions League. Liverpool, Porto, Milan and Atletico Madrid. All the teams have full qualification or ability to qualify for the top 16. Those who perform well on the field will advance to the next round. Porto will play in the next match against Madrid. Milan will play against Liverpool. Either team can win these two matches. Since it is a do or die match. So it is difficult to make predictions in these matches. However, the chances of the home team winning will be a bit higher.

Well, the chances of the home team winning are always higher. But I'd really don't think that it is going to matter too much here as it is really do or die situation for almost all of them. But if I do have to make predictions I think I will say that Liverpool wins against Milan and Atletico Madrid wins against Porto.

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It is certain that Benfica will win with Dynamo Kiev of course Benfica will not let it go I just looked at the previous statistics and always distinguish if the difference is far then my assumption is that Dynamo Kiev will not win, although I also do not underestimate the underdog team.The efforts of Barcelona and Benfica will both fight to win but for me still only take my conclusion about this prediction barca 30% of bayern wins.

What makes you think Benfica will easily defeat Dynamo Kiev? Dynamo Kiev will be looking for their first win in the competition, and since it is their final match, they will not make it easy for Benfica. If Benfica must qualify, they must battle Dynamo, and I am confident Bayern Munich will defeat Barcelona.

It's the same thing you make sure that Bayern Munich will win while the opponent is Barcelona, of course it won't be easy and who knows the reverse direction, the same thing Benfica can also suffer the same fate.
I only have faith that Benfica can win this as my prediction, then if the match starts of course no one will know the result because in the last game every team will continue to try to win.
But in this match I will bet on a win between Bayern and Benfica.

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Which thread to discuss the ongoing Balon d'or

Is there any other dedicated thread to discuss Balloon d'or? Or no, I think here fits to discuss it.
Robert Lewandoski is awarded the best striker of the year. A title that sounds new to me. Was this created to rub him the Balloon d'or twice?

Robbed? I'm not sure about this because statistically, Measi had a better season than Lewandosky last season, and Lewa had a better 2020 and deserved the award, but the event was canceled due to Covid19 measures, and no one can blame them. Messi deserved the award for 2021, but the biggest snub was the goalkeeper award, Mendy was robbed.

What many do not realize is that Lewandowski was the most deserving candidate and the only contender for the Ballon d'Or in the 2020 season. But this year's Ballon d'Or has been awarded in 2021, and this year Messi is ahead in the statistics. Although Messi has conceded fewer goals this season than Lewandowski, Messi is ahead in assists and title wins. Moreover, in other statistics, Messi is far ahead. He is eligible for this year's Ballon d'Or and he has been able to achieve it.

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