It is really worrying to see Dortmund going down to the Europa League. Their situation was decided even before the last game which is really terrible for them. Normally, they should have left Sporting behind easily. But their having many missing players affected them in a quite bad way. Erling Haaland couldn't play in the game Sporting defeated them by 3-1 too and this was also bad for Dortmund. If they weren't this much absent, maybe they would have performed much better. This could also be a factor for Haaland to decide his future too by the way.
You are making it look as if Dortmund will be missed or they are one big club that are suppose to win this season champions League, the likes of Dortmund are suppose to be in the Europa League they don't have lot of stars that the champions League crave for only Harland,if is PSG or mancity or even juventus going out then is supposed to be a discussion not Dortmund. 
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It is really worrying to see Dortmund going down to the Europa League. Their situation was decided even before the last game which is really terrible for them. Normally, they should have left Sporting behind easily. But their having many missing players affected them in a quite bad way. Erling Haaland couldn't play in the game Sporting defeated them by 3-1 too and this was also bad for Dortmund. If they weren't this much absent, maybe they would have performed much better. This could also be a factor for Haaland to decide his future too by the way.
When this season champions League start one can assume that PSG will win the championship because of the front three Neymar, Messi and Mbappe they are the best in their positions but in what we are seeing they are not good in tracking back to help their defence, they leave alot of space behind them and that makes them weaker.now I think they are 4 favourites, the English sides Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea and the German champions Bayern Munich they are the four front runners
That match was heavily dominated by Man city in their usual fashion and I was also expecting PSG to match city's attacking prowess but it wasn't much and city being the best team, won. Although they won't meet again for group stage games, I would be really love to see them meet again but towards the end of the competition ^Semi final or finaks of two big and dominant teams yet to win their UCL title.
City won, but I must admit that in this match its defense was disgusting. If PSG were a little more successful in attack, they could at least draw and maybe even win. In fact, both teams did not play in the best way, perhaps this can be explained by the fact that the tournament value was not so important.This is why it looked like their defense was bad, not because their defense was actually bad but because they were dominating on offense. If this game was a bit more closer together then game would be in the middle and defense would stay in defense while offense would have been a little less.
City won, but I must admit that in this match its defense was disgusting. If PSG were a little more successful in attack, they could at least draw and maybe even win. In fact, both teams did not play in the best way, perhaps this can be explained by the fact that the tournament value was not so important.
What is the main problem of PSG is that there are ''three walkers'' in the team, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe, who simply don't play defense, don't run enough and therefore PSG constantly plays with three players less in defense.
With such problems in the game PSG can succeed against weaker teams and on basis on individual quality they can win, but against strong teams like Manchester CIty, with such a game they have no chance of winning.
Obviously their coach has no authority and can’t get the three walkers on the team to start running and playing in defense.
If nothing changes in their concept of the game, PSG has no chance of winning the Champions League this season.
An interesting point of view, maybe that's why PSG plays best this season when there are a maximum of two players from this trio on the field
Regarding PSG's chances of winning the Champions League, despite the fact that the bookmakers give a solid 6.85 for this event, in my opinion it is absolutely unrealistic for PSG.
That match was heavily dominated by Man city in their usual fashion and I was also expecting PSG to match city's attacking prowess but it wasn't much and city being the best team, won. Although they won't meet again for group stage games, I would be really love to see them meet again but towards the end of the competition ^Semi final or finaks of two big and dominant teams yet to win their UCL title.
City won, but I must admit that in this match its defense was disgusting. If PSG were a little more successful in attack, they could at least draw and maybe even win. In fact, both teams did not play in the best way, perhaps this can be explained by the fact that the tournament value was not so important.
What is the main problem of PSG is that there are ''three walkers'' in the team, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe, who simply don't play defense, don't run enough and therefore PSG constantly plays with three players less in defense.
With such problems in the game PSG can succeed against weaker teams and on basis on individual quality they can win, but against strong teams like Manchester CIty, with such a game they have no chance of winning.
Obviously their coach has no authority and can’t get the three walkers on the team to start running and playing in defense.
If nothing changes in their concept of the game, PSG has no chance of winning the Champions League this season.
That match was heavily dominated by Man city in their usual fashion and I was also expecting PSG to match city's attacking prowess but it wasn't much and city being the best team, won. Although they won't meet again for group stage games, I would be really love to see them meet again but towards the end of the competition ^Semi final or finaks of two big and dominant teams yet to win their UCL title.
City won, but I must admit that in this match its defense was disgusting. If PSG were a little more successful in attack, they could at least draw and maybe even win. In fact, both teams did not play in the best way, perhaps this can be explained by the fact that the tournament value was not so important.
Although they won't meet again for group stage games, I would be really love to see them meet again but towards the end of the competition ^Semi final or finaks of two big and dominant teams yet to win their UCL title.
Nice expectancy and that's going yo be quite a game for sure. On both sides, it would be them fighting so hard to lift a first UCL trophy and on the side of PSG, they already lost one game so, loosing a rematch would be unacceptable especially one that could end in a title. Mean while, Manchester City already lost a trophy to Chelsea in the previous season so, them loosing yet under one under the management of Pep would be very much unacceptable as well. Hence, it would be such a die hard game should both teams get a rematch in course of the competition. Though, I don't see Chelsea not advancing to try and defend there title in the finals. 
The Manchester City vs PSG game was important in terms of taking the lead or guaranteeing it. If Manchester City won, they were going to guarantee promoting being the leader of their group. And they succeeded. I watched the most of the game and Manchester City were really highly dominant against PSG. But it was totally normal to me as City are nearly always like this in their home games. Even if PSG scored the first goal, City still turned the game around and won by 2-1. Congrats to them as they achieved their goal for the group stage.
That match was heavily dominated by Man city in their usual fashion and I was also expecting PSG to match city's attacking prowess but it wasn't much and city being the best team, won. Although they won't meet again for group stage games, I would be really love to see them meet again but towards the end of the competition ^Semi final or finaks of two big and dominant teams yet to win their UCL title.
The Manchester City vs PSG game was important in terms of taking the lead or guaranteeing it. If Manchester City won, they were going to guarantee promoting being the leader of their group. And they succeeded. I watched the most of the game and Manchester City were really highly dominant against PSG. But it was totally normal to me as City are nearly always like this in their home games. Even if PSG scored the first goal, City still turned the game around and won by 2-1. Congrats to them as they achieved their goal for the group stage.
Manchester City defeat PSG and get first position on group A, most important for every club to get standing first position on group because on next round they will faced with weakness team from runner up on other group, but bad think when standing position as runner up group like PSG will faced bigger team as first position standing on group like Bayern, Chelsea and Liverpool. Now PSG left one match but can't achieve points of Manchester City. 
The Manchester City vs PSG game was important in terms of taking the lead or guaranteeing it. If Manchester City won, they were going to guarantee promoting being the leader of their group. And they succeeded. I watched the most of the game and Manchester City were really highly dominant against PSG. But it was totally normal to me as City are nearly always like this in their home games. Even if PSG scored the first goal, City still turned the game around and won by 2-1. Congrats to them as they achieved their goal for the group stage.
Yep, Milan can incredibly earn the access to the final stage.
I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
In fact, in the history of the Champions League, there have been many teams that were able to advance to the next round with only 7 points. But Zenit is the absolute record holder - in 2013 they were able to reach the playoffs with 6 points. By the way, in the same year, another record was set - Napoli scored 12 points but were eliminated from the tournament. What an irony
AC Milan will play against Liverpool. And Liverpool have already won all their matches and qualified for the next round. This match is not as important for Liverpool as it is for AC Milan. At the same time it is the home match of AC Milan. Although Liverpool is very strong. Still, I think maybe he can win this match. And Liverpool and AC Milan from Group B will qualify. On the other hand, the match between Porto and Atletico Madrid seems to be a draw.
Yep, Milan can incredibly earn the access to the final stage.
I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
AC Milan will play against Liverpool. And Liverpool have already won all their matches and qualified for the next round. This match is not as important for Liverpool as it is for AC Milan. At the same time it is the home match of AC Milan. Although Liverpool is very strong. Still, I think maybe he can win this match. And Liverpool and AC Milan from Group B will qualify. On the other hand, the match between Porto and Atletico Madrid seems to be a draw.
Yep, Milan can incredibly earn the access to the final stage.
I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
Liverpool, on the other hand, currently don't need to get real points because they have definitely qualified and maybe this match will feature second-tier players who haven't played before because I'm very sure they don't want to take excessive risks due to the busy schedule in the EPL.
The 3 teams in group B have a life and death match and it will be very exciting to see what the results will be
AC Milan will play against Liverpool. And Liverpool have already won all their matches and qualified for the next round. This match is not as important for Liverpool as it is for AC Milan. At the same time it is the home match of AC Milan. Although Liverpool is very strong. Still, I think maybe he can win this match. And Liverpool and AC Milan from Group B will qualify. On the other hand, the match between Porto and Atletico Madrid seems to be a draw.
Yep, Milan can incredibly earn the access to the final stage.I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
Milan has a chance indeed to pass but I don't think Liverpool will allow this. They won't let Milan win imo even I am pretty sure they won't play with the main squad. A draw could destroy Milan ambition to pass, if we could talk about ambition in the first place!
AC Milan will play against Liverpool. And Liverpool have already won all their matches and qualified for the next round. This match is not as important for Liverpool as it is for AC Milan. At the same time it is the home match of AC Milan. Although Liverpool is very strong. Still, I think maybe he can win this match. And Liverpool and AC Milan from Group B will qualify. On the other hand, the match between Porto and Atletico Madrid seems to be a draw.
Yep, Milan can incredibly earn the access to the final stage.
I think is never happened in the history of the Champions league if it will happen, 1 point after 4 games and qualification to the second phase.
There is still a big competition in the Group B now and there is only one week left. Firstly, Liverpool are in a great condition as they have won all of their games so far and guaranteed their place. But the interesting thing is that all of the rest of the teams have a chance for qualifying for the 1/8-finals. Porto have 5 points. Milan and Atletico Madrid both have 4 points now. Milan have increased their hopes about moving on in the CL after beating Atletico Madrid away. I think that Milan could beat Liverpool home and Porto - Atletico Madrid game will end in a draw. As a result, Milan will be moving on.
Have two weeks final match for many club because they still not pass to knock out group like AC Milan, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona and Benfica, they will fight as final match because three points is the way how to make fell knock out stage. AC Milan against Liverpool and winning only is the way to make they can on 16 round stage but depend how Porto vs Atletico Madrid match result, if Porto success win they can qualify to 16 round but if Atletico Madrid can win and Liverpool defeat AC Milan just say good by for champion league.
This is the match we've been waiting for on important matches there is an opportunity to bet each team will try their best at least go to round of 16
Home teams are the most likely including Milan against second tier players Milan should be able to take advantage of it
Bayern Munich are not going to sit down watching Barcelona get all three points.
Is Athletico Madrid out of this qualification already ?
AC Milan are good to go, they have a great depth to challenge for this competition.
The most appealing situation is in Group G where all 4 teams have a chance for qualifying with Salzburg and Wolfsburg both playing at home.
For some mediocre teams maybe if they fail in the Champions League and then play in the Europa League, there is a possibility of being motivated
to win the Europa League trophy. Like you said there is a gap between the top teams and the mediocre teams. If the purpose of the Europa League is
to give mediocre teams a second chance to win trophies, maybe that's the right thing. But for the top team if they play in the Europa League after
they leave the Champions League, I'm sure they are not that enthusiastic and have different efforts to win the Europa League trophy.
Do not forget that for not rich teams, even just participating in a Champions League matchs is already a holiday, since for each match these teams receive a million dollars or so. For example, the top team of ukraine receive no more than 40-60,000 dollars for matches on my own or on a foreign field. So teams like Shakhtar or Dynamo Kyiv don't have much disappointment that they dropped out of the Champions League for the Europa League because they made some money. to win the Europa League trophy. Like you said there is a gap between the top teams and the mediocre teams. If the purpose of the Europa League is
to give mediocre teams a second chance to win trophies, maybe that's the right thing. But for the top team if they play in the Europa League after
they leave the Champions League, I'm sure they are not that enthusiastic and have different efforts to win the Europa League trophy.
Speaking of disappointments ... I remember about 10 years ago there were three or four very strong teams in the Europa League at once ... now it looks ridiculous, but then Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Barcelona were fighting in the minor league of Europe.
I think all the teams that played in the Champions League before, and ended up having to play in the Europa League. They will definitely be
disappointed and their efforts will decrease, they realize winning the Europa League is not as proud as winning the Champions League. [...]
This is not entirely true, and I will explain why ... every year the same teams get into the Champions League for the most part, but the level of leagues in different countries is very different, so 90% of the teams that constantly play in the Champions League never win or even are getting closer to victory.disappointed and their efforts will decrease, they realize winning the Europa League is not as proud as winning the Champions League. [...]
For example, Shakhtar Donetsk and Dinamy kiev have been qualifying for many years, but in the table they always occupy the last line simply because this is not their level. It's another matter when Shakhtar got into the Europa League and won the title, then all of Ukraine and even their worst enemy Dynamo Kiev wholeheartedly shared the joy of victory with them. The structure of the Champions League is not perfect, and the gap between the world's top clubs and mediocre teams will only increase over time.
For some mediocre teams maybe if they fail in the Champions League and then play in the Europa League, there is a possibility of being motivated
to win the Europa League trophy. Like you said there is a gap between the top teams and the mediocre teams. If the purpose of the Europa League is
to give mediocre teams a second chance to win trophies, maybe that's the right thing. But for the top team if they play in the Europa League after
they leave the Champions League, I'm sure they are not that enthusiastic and have different efforts to win the Europa League trophy.
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