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Quote from: icopress on October 06, 2021, 05:19:26 PM

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Sheriff Tiraspol are just adding a lot of fun into the Champions League by their totally unexpected results. I think that it is always good to see some different teams showing themselves in a strong way. Otherwise, the tournament would be really boring and most fans would lose their attention. But I feel the same way as you that Sheriff Tiraspol can't maintain this form till the end of the rest of the group matches. But I hope that they can qualify for the Europa League in the worst case.

I mentally see how people try to try their luck by betting on the victory of the Tiraspol Sheriff in the match against the Inter, and I see how bookmakers will make money on this, lol. I hope the same for Shakhtar, although he already won the Europa League in 2009, so Shakhtar needs to win the Champions League at least once in order to knock the arrogance off the titled clubs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people who will bet on Sheriff Tiraspol's victory will be sad after the result of the match. Because I think that Inter will most probably defeat them and get their first win also in their group matches. Because they lost to Real Madrid and drew with Shakhtar also. They will focus on winning against Sheriff Tiraspol two times in a row to pull themselves together and rise to the upper places.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 07, 2021, 05:04:47 PM

im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho Grin

i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

Two very bad loses in early matches of Champions League bring too much down and now peoples talking about early exit, but this break is surely going to be good for them as they need some time which is already available, so they can still fight back from this all. Now after first Valencia and then Kyiv can turn all things in their favor because still 4 matches in Champions League available for them even it's mission impossible for them came up from this down, but any result can happen in any match.

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The next year will be better for them but they need to conclude this year in the top 4 spots in the national championship or it will be a massacre without the money from Champions Leauge.

Barcelona still has a chance to improve their squad this season in January, I think La Liga is not a very competitive league so it won't be too difficult for Barcelona to be in 4th place in the standings at the end of the season, so maybe it will be a bit disappointing for Barcelona fans who hope this season barcelona can win a trophy after the failure of last season, even though barcelona condition is bad at this time but finishing in the top 4 is not a difficult thing for them even though they have been out of the championship path right now.

What do you mean by improving their squad? Get new players? Well, they can only get players that are not qualified for the Champions League or played in the CL yet, or otherwise they can't play for Barcelona in the CL. I don't know how much of an improvement those players would really be, but maybe you are right and Barcelona doesn't even have a choice but act.

There are some good enough players who don't play in the champions league. Europa League has decent players. All Barcelona has to do is somehow survive this season with a finish in the top four and maybe go as far as they can in the Champions League. Maybe next season they can go all out in the transfer market. But if they fail to finish top 4, that would impact very badly next season.

While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.

However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

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Quote from: babo on October 08, 2021, 02:16:08 AM

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on October 07, 2021, 05:51:44 PM

Quote from: Cafex on October 07, 2021, 03:23:40 PM

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

Ofcourse yes,and with the way Liverpool are going,I see them at the sem
i final already.Their manager Jorgen klopp is not happy about how they finished last season,and so wants to really do something amazing this season.
Talking about the match between Athletico and them,I think It's a goal goal match,but the fact still remains that Liverpool will win that encounter,no matter how Athletico tried,defeating Liverpool will really be a hard nut to crack.

It's a game I'm sure will start with high tension throughout the game but unfortunately, even though Liverpool are looking better I personally still believe Atlético can take advantage of their home factor. I also realize Liverpool this season have a better chance of winning but Liverpool's away games are not very promising for me, so when Atlético's squad gets their morale back I'm sure Atlético will be able to handle this match well.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 06, 2021, 04:51:20 PM

Well football is not a 1-0-1-0 binary game that is based on data. Sometimes players work really hard, like seriously hard in a game, and the other team doesn't play that well, we are all humans and we have bad days and it happens, you can't expect 100% from every player every game. That is exactly what happened with Sheriff, they played very very hard (not meaning tackles, just running around a lot) and they gave it their all because they know this could be one of the rare chances they could be in the groups so they wanted to show themselves, and maybe some of them would be bought by bigger clubs and paid decent wages.

So, it is about "heart" and sheriff put up a lot more heart. They also look like they might actually end up going to next stage as well, they already have 6 points and if they end up losing every single game left then they might end up not going to next stage but if they get some draws and maybe another win then they could actually be going further.

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

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Quote from: Cafex on October 07, 2021, 03:23:40 PM

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

Ofcourse yes,and with the way Liverpool are going,I see them at the sem
i final already.Their manager Jorgen klopp is not happy about how they finished last season,and so wants to really do something amazing this season.
Talking about the match between Athletico and them,I think It's a goal goal match,but the fact still remains that Liverpool will win that encounter,no matter how Athletico tried,defeating Liverpool will really be a hard nut to crack.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 07, 2021, 05:16:40 PM

This is why predicting the result of any math is never a sure thing no matter how safe any bet could seem at first sight, players have financial motivations to play the game, even if they love it this is their profession and it is the way their earn their living, so when they know they are going to play a game against a great team which will be eventually watched by all the important people on the world of soccer then they give it all in an attempt to get a raise on their club or the possibility to be acquired by a better club and be paid more money than what they currently get.

No more! This is even a strategy used by coaches and club officials, to try to motivate players for these games. If later they manage to have good performances, the motivation will increase which makes them continue to have positive results. In football, it is not enough to have good players and a good tactic, the psychological issue counts for a lot.

That's certainly what's going on at the Sheriff. They are highly motivated to play in the Champions League, and everyone at the club wants to make the most of it. Because of that motivation, they've been getting good results.

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Sheriff Tiraspol have drawn the attention of all people by the results they have gotten so far in their group matches. Who would have thought that they would play this smart and win both of their first two matches? I can get the win against Shakhtar by 2-0 as it was a home match and Shakhtar weren't in a very ideal shape. But the win against Real Madrid even away was just something else. I don't know how but they managed to defeat Real Madrid by 2-1 even though their competitor was completely dominating the match. It was like a miracle for them. I can't wait to watch their next match vs Inter.

I also don't understand about that because I didn't watch the match live, but apart from that I personally wouldn't assume that the favorite team underestimated Sheriff Tiraspol. I just think that Sheriff Tiraspol or weak teams or mediocre teams do sometimes give big surprises in the UCL, but the surprise they have given so far to win at the Santiago Bernabéu is something really extraordinary. But with this result I believe Inter will play better than Shakhtar and Madrid and also, I believe in the second leg Sheriff Tiraspol will not be able to do much, I can't wait for the moment and the result in the next match.

Well football is not a 1-0-1-0 binary game that is based on data. Sometimes players work really hard, like seriously hard in a game, and the other team doesn't play that well, we are all humans and we have bad days and it happens, you can't expect 100% from every player every game. That is exactly what happened with Sheriff, they played very very hard (not meaning tackles, just running around a lot) and they gave it their all because they know this could be one of the rare chances they could be in the groups so they wanted to show themselves, and maybe some of them would be bought by bigger clubs and paid decent wages.

So, it is about "heart" and sheriff put up a lot more heart. They also look like they might actually end up going to next stage as well, they already have 6 points and if they end up losing every single game left then they might end up not going to next stage but if they get some draws and maybe another win then they could actually be going further.

This is why predicting the result of any match is never a sure thing no matter how safe any bet could seem at first sight, players have financial motivations to play the game, even if they love it this is their profession and it is the way their earn their living, so when they know they are going to play a game against a great team which will be eventually watched by all the important people on the world of soccer then they give it all in an attempt to get a raise on their club or the possibility to be acquired by a better club and be paid more money than what they currently get.

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Quote from: icopress on October 06, 2021, 05:19:26 PM

It's not for me to explain to you, but it all comes down to money, since by firing Koeman, Barça will not be able to afford a worthy replacement.

Currently, Barcelona is facing very serious issue regarding their finances, and they already have some good offer from Dubai based company most chances in next few weeks they are going to have board members meeting, and they are going to settle things because they are already facing some serious problems due to Messi and Grizemann exit so hopefully this all will settle Aguero and Dembele also on recovery mod so this all will change fortune for them which bring them back on limelight for better results in La Liga but in Champions League this year they already have some threat of early exit.

im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho Grin

i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

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Quote from: Cafex on October 07, 2021, 03:23:40 PM

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

In Last season these two teams fight and Atletico Madrid won just because of injuries hit Liverpool was not with full squad as score was just 1 - 0 but now in this season Liverpool is doing some very good finishing. They have all available resources, so I am feeling now Liverpool can give some tough time to Atletico Madrid at their home even they can win this match because their away form is very good they already ruined Porto in their own backyard and Atletico Madrid was not good against Porto.

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On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

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Quote from: icopress on October 06, 2021, 05:19:26 PM

It's not for me to explain to you, but it all comes down to money, since by firing Koeman, Barça will not be able to afford a worthy replacement.

Currently, Barcelona is facing very serious issue regarding their finances, and they already have some good offer from Dubai based company most chances in next few weeks they are going to have board members meeting, and they are going to settle things because they are already facing some serious problems due to Messi and Grizemann exit so hopefully this all will settle Aguero and Dembele also on recovery mod so this all will change fortune for them which bring them back on limelight for better results in La Liga but in Champions League this year they already have some threat of early exit.

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Quote from: Minecache on October 07, 2021, 11:12:58 AM

Messi, Neymar, Mbappe trio haven't figured out their chemistry so fat. But I think a change of formation could work for them. Maybe play Neymar on the left, Di Maria on the right and play Mbappe as a striker, and play Messi behind Mbappe as false 9. In that way, Messi and Neymar can also duo up to create more chances for them in the attacking third. And we all know how good Messi is like a false 9 and he is really good in playmaking. I could be wrong but maybe this is a change that Pochettino can try.

Those three have the freedom to do whatever they think and unfortunately, modern football doesn't play this way. I mean you can't have three players on the same line (attack) that play in loose, at least someone has to follow the playbook and of course not trying to prove that is the #1 superstar among them.
If you put Mbappe as a clear striker, then his speed advantage will be lost or he will have to go in midfield and get a ball. Di Maria on the right maybe can help but he clearly states that he wants to play on the left side and I can't blame him. Neymar can be put on the other side and Messi will still act as an attacking playmaker but I don't think that this will help.
IMO the problem is that none of them can play as a classic striker and that's missing from PSG. They can all create opportunities and with a classic striker, things will be very different.

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It's hard for the coach of PSG to figure out the best formation for each game but that also applies to the coach of the opposing team hehe. PSG may not be a great team right now but it's still tough playing against a team with great players.

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Maybe play Neymar on the left, Di Maria on the right and play Mbappe as a striker, and play Messi behind Mbappe as false 9. In that way, Messi and Neymar can also duo up to create more chances for them in the attacking third. And we all know how good Messi is like a false 9 and he is really good in playmaking. I could be wrong but maybe this is a change that Pochettino can try.

This formation actually looks good. Neymar and Di Maria would be comfortable playing in those positions while Messi could be given more freedom to roam around. He has to be always in top shape to pull this off since he's not that young and agile anymore.

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Messi managed to deliver a pretty good performance during the PSG vs Man City match on the second matchday of the Champions League group A phase, the 1 goal scored by messi is certainly his first goal in the champions league with PSG this season, I think now messi is starting to understand the style of play PSG and he began to adapt to other PSG players and of course it will make PSG front line more solid and sharp later.

Haven't you noticed what happens in the upfront during psg games? that neymar doesn't play along with mbappe?
Paul scholes made references to this from one of his interview, he said PSG won't get better with Messi,it will only get worse.
Messi and neymar have been team mates for a while before he was sold out to the french club and since they have played under one coach,team,game plan its obvious they play the psg forward together and mbappe struggles with passes from elsewhere.
I still stand with what the England former striker said because much work is done on the right flank by Leo and neymar helps out in the strike on a 4-3-3 formation but sometimes,gameplay could be switched to the left wing to reduce pressure; the forward needs to coordinate to achieve these.
There is no coordination!
football is a team game but in PSG,the forwards play individually,how would they win? All wrong!

Mane, Femino and Salah have done this for some years and no problems. Those three players can blend only if the coach really want them to. Neymar and Messi played well in Barcelona, and also Neymar and Mbape has been playing well for PSG. So, I see no oďd here. What the coach really need to do is to define their roles and allow the game to begin. Neymar 11, Get a striker, Mbape 7 Messi.
Alternatively, allow Mbappe to go where his mind is and get a young striker.

Messi, Neymar, Mbappe trio haven't figured out their chemistry so fat. But I think a change of formation could work for them. Maybe play Neymar on the left, Di Maria on the right and play Mbappe as a striker, and play Messi behind Mbappe as false 9. In that way, Messi and Neymar can also duo up to create more chances for them in the attacking third. And we all know how good Messi is like a false 9 and he is really good in playmaking. I could be wrong but maybe this is a change that Pochettino can try.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 07, 2021, 06:39:50 AM

Football always has been an unpredictable game from the start. Even we saw how Bayern and PSG lost to comparatively smaller teams. And the win for Sheriff against Real came as quite a surprise for me. But Sheriff deserved the win. Real were having problems with their defense after the departure of Ramos and varane. Currently, Sheriff is on the top group D after 2 matches. I'm hoping that Real and Inter would bounce back but it was a nice start for Sheriff in the CL. As a real fan, I want Real to qualify also I do want that Sheriff qualifies for the next round.

After they successfully beat shaktar and real madrid in the champions league, honestly I immediately went to google and find out about the sherrif club, i didn't think a team from moldova could embarrass a big team like real madrid, even at first the sherrif was only considered a complementary team in the group D, but it turns out that their performance can be very surprising, but even so I personally don't believe the sherrif will be able to go far in the champions league this season and I think in the second leg later teams like real madrid and shaktar will come back and maybe beat them.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 07, 2021, 05:08:27 AM

The great and unexpected success of the Sheriff actually shows how bad and unfair the idea of an elite superleague was.
The same clubs would always play in the Super League, and small clubs like Sheriff would have no chance of entering such an elite league.
I believe for most fans it would be a boring and unattractive competition.
Luckily that competition failed and now we have a situation where Sheriff has a realistic chance to pass the group stage of the competition and continue competing in the Champions League in the spring.
For all true football fans, this is fantastic news, money is not always crucial in football.
Unexpected events like this actually arouse interest in this competition and no matter how much money PSG or Manchester City spend on new players they can't win this competition.
Before the introduction of the Bosman rules, many other small clubs even had a chance to win the Champions League, such as the Crvena Zvezda or Steaue, but unfortunately by the time it ended irrevocably.

^ Football always has been an unpredictable game from the start. Even we saw how Bayern and PSG lost to comparatively smaller teams. And the win for Sheriff against Real came as quite a surprise for me. But Sheriff deserved the win. Real were having problems with their defense after the departure of Ramos and varane. Currently, Sheriff is on the top group D after 2 matches. I'm hoping that Real and Inter would bounce back but it was a nice start for Sheriff in the CL. As a real fan, I want Real to qualify also I do want that Sheriff qualifies for the next round.

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Quote from: Joca97 on October 07, 2021, 05:12:42 AM

Sheriff is doing amazing things this season in the Champions league.They are currently living their dreams and showing what is football all about,people like to see small clubs go really up in the Champions league. Also its a really good thing that superleague wasnt introudced because they would make something like NBA from it and no one can get in or out and no presure of getting relegated or knocked out.Clubs are getting gready because they are wasting too much money and going into a big negative and thats why they wanted this tournament.

I am happy that clubs like Sheriff and Young Boys have won. Because, before, the competitions were only between big and renowned teams. But teams like Sheriff and Young Boys are showing great performances now. Although I still don't think they can get to the next round. However, as a result of such performances, they are making the group stage matches more competitive. Which is very admirable. And it’s a shame for renowned parties. This proves that it is not always possible to win a team by spending a lot of money.

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Sheriff Tiraspol are just adding a lot of fun into the Champions League by their totally unexpected results. I think that it is always good to see some different teams showing themselves in a strong way. Otherwise, the tournament would be really boring and most fans would lose their attention. But I feel the same way as you that Sheriff Tiraspol can't maintain this form till the end of the rest of the group matches. But I hope that they can qualify for the Europa League in the worst case.

Even Sheriff Tiraspol is doing something special in Champions League, but their record at home league is nothing special as they are third in Moldova League but their goals difference is real something special after these two wins now they have some better chance for staying in hunt for next round qualification if they fail then surely now they have place in Europa League because now after having two wins they can't stay out of this for this season.
Because, Inter and Real Madrid are still more chances for fighting back and qualifying for next round of Champions League instead of this surprise package.

The great and unexpected success of the Sheriff actually shows how bad and unfair the idea of an elite superleague was.
The same clubs would always play in the Super League, and small clubs like Sheriff would have no chance of entering such an elite league.
I believe for most fans it would be a boring and unattractive competition.
Luckily that competition failed and now we have a situation where Sheriff has a realistic chance to pass the group stage of the competition and continue competing in the Champions League in the spring.
For all true football fans, this is fantastic news, money is not always crucial in football.
Unexpected events like this actually arouse interest in this competition and no matter how much money PSG or Manchester City spend on new players they can't win this competition.
Before the introduction of the Bosman rules, many other small clubs even had a chance to win the Champions League, such as the Crvena Zvezda or Steaue, but unfortunately by the time it ended irrevocably.

Sheriff is doing amazing things this season in the Champions league.They are currently living their dreams and showing what is football all about,people like to see small clubs go really up in the Champions league. Also its a really good thing that superleague wasnt introudced because they would make something like NBA from it and no one can get in or out and no presure of getting relegated or knocked out.Clubs are getting gready because they are wasting too much money and going into a big negative and thats why they wanted this tournament.

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