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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 12, 2024, 02:57:03 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on April 12, 2024, 05:14:18 AM

Sorry for English teams in Champions League and Europa, it's all going bad for you guys. Now Liverpool have to score 3 goals, not impossible but I dunno, it's going to be very closed shop back in Bergamo

If someone would tell me that Atalanta will win 3:0 at Anfield, I would call him crazy. One of biggest upsets this season. Ok, Liverpool didn't started with some main players, but in 2nd half even substitutions didn't helped.
What also impressed me is such Bayer dominance against West Ham, just look at stats:

Biggest upset I think I read it's their biggest Anfield defeat ever, not sure if they meant in the Europe stage or at all time, I actually can't find any Anfield loss bigger than 3-0.

Also seems to be the first time this season they failed to score at home. Biggest upset to me, considering Atalanta have been one of the shittest teams in Serie A lately.

But you know what? People forgot this Liverpool team is not so good. Especially the keeper, people forgot when they had to let go of their Champions League keeper Karius. Eventually, weakness is exposed. They mainly survived without Alisson because they could score goals but the minute they cannot, they will lose games.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 11, 2024, 02:17:26 PM

After such amazing Champions league this week I suppose that it will be a bit difficult to watch Europa league today, though, we have some great matchups.
Put some money on Benfica and over 2.5 goals in Bayer - West Ham. Maybe will make few more bets, still not decided. I guess that Liverpool game might be high scoring and they can build some solid advantage today. Still don't know which game to watch.

Poor Liverpool got a really horrible result... I don't know if they had a worse day than that in the season so far. They played really effectively in fact, couldn't take advantage of a lot of goal chances. Sad

Otherwise this match would never end like 0-3. Atalanta will probably play a highly defensive game and look for counter-attacks only next time.

When it comes to Leverkusen this would have surely ended by a way bigger score. You were just unlucky otherwise I think over 2.5 goals was one of the best choices for this one.

Benfica did a pretty good job. They are quite strong in home matches. Wink

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Quote from: slaman29 on April 12, 2024, 05:14:18 AM

At least you won Benfica. And you were right about high scoring Liverpool game, altho you probably didn't guess it was gonna come all from Atalanta lol

Sorry for English teams in Champions League and Europa, it's all going bad for you guys. Now Liverpool have to score 3 goals, not impossible but I dunno, it's going to be very closed shop back in Bergamo

If someone would tell me that Atalanta will win 3:0 at Anfield, I would call him crazy. One of biggest upsets this season. Ok, Liverpool didn't started with some main players, but in 2nd half even substitutions didn't helped.
What also impressed me is such Bayer dominance against West Ham, just look at stats:

We can say that Bayer managed to score ONLY 2 goals with such dominance. It gives chance West Ham for comeback at home.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on April 11, 2024, 02:17:26 PM

Put some money on Benfica and over 2.5 goals in Bayer - West Ham. Maybe will make few more bets, still not decided. I guess that Liverpool game might be high scoring and they can build some solid advantage today. Still don't know which game to watch.

At least you won Benfica. And you were right about high scoring Liverpool game, altho you probably didn't guess it was gonna come all from Atalanta lol

Sorry for English teams in Champions League and Europa, it's all going bad for you guys. Now Liverpool have to score 3 goals, not impossible but I dunno, it's going to be very closed shop back in Bergamo

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Quote from: Distraction on April 11, 2024, 07:14:50 AM

It is matchday! Grin

In fact we can look at that matchup from that aspect also. Milan and Roma are facing each other at least 2 times every season. If we see lots of goals in both legs here it would be still nice to watch for me though.

Yeah, I definitely remember those Liverpool - Atalanta matches. Especially Liverpool's huge win like 5-0 was incredible. I guess Liverpool would advance here but we could at least watch better matches than the ones they had against Sparta Prague. Tongue

I think the best kind of finale would definitely be Liverpool - Leverkusen. Xabi Alonso vs Klopp would be great to watch.

After such amazing Champions league this week I suppose that it will be a bit difficult to watch Europa league today, though, we have some great matchups.
Put some money on Benfica and over 2.5 goals in Bayer - West Ham. Maybe will make few more bets, still not decided. I guess that Liverpool game might be high scoring and they can build some solid advantage today. Still don't know which game to watch.

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 17, 2024, 09:11:08 AM

^ Thanks for sharing the draw, no one following wouldn't have known but still nice to see it this way. Milan - Roma might seem like the pick for you but it's really just a Serie A matchup, not so much a spectacle for me as Liverpool - Atalanta if, like me, this reminds you of a seismic Champions League clashes between the two not so long ago -- thrashed them at home, and then lost at Anfield on the return.

Leverkusen and the Reds meeting in the final would be pretty damned special, especially if the two end up being champions of their respective leagues.

It is matchday! Grin

In fact we can look at that matchup from that aspect also. Milan and Roma are facing each other at least 2 times every season. If we see lots of goals in both legs here it would be still nice to watch for me though.

Yeah, I definitely remember those Liverpool - Atalanta matches. Especially Liverpool's huge win like 5-0 was incredible. I guess Liverpool would advance here but we could at least watch better matches than the ones they had against Sparta Prague. Tongue

I think the best kind of finale would definitely be Liverpool - Leverkusen. Xabi Alonso vs Klopp would be great to watch.

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Quote from: casperBGD on March 17, 2024, 11:05:35 AM

you basically want to take Europa league trophy and the coach from Leverkusen, haha

kidding aside, that would be a hell of a game
Liverpool is still favorite in that one, but on one match, and Leverkusen in a season without lose, anything can happen

Kills me to be replying to a user who's left the forum, but to respond anyway, yes, I want Reds to win Europa (of course), but we already know we can't have Alonso as he's sticking with Leverkusen. Good for him, but it puts us in an awkward position of hiring possibly second-best, and long enough that even if Alonso is free, we won't have the vacancy.

Faith in Edwards and his data madness, I suppose!

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 17, 2024, 09:11:08 AM

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Leverkusen and the Reds meeting in the final would be pretty damned special, especially if the two end up being champions of their respective leagues.

you basically want to take Europa league trophy and the coach from Leverkusen, haha

kidding aside, that would be a hell of a game
Liverpool is still favorite in that one, but on one match, and Leverkusen in a season without lose, anything can happen

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^ Thanks for sharing the draw, no one following wouldn't have known but still nice to see it this way. Milan - Roma might seem like the pick for you but it's really just a Serie A matchup, not so much a spectacle for me as Liverpool - Atalanta if, like me, this reminds you of a seismic Champions League clashes between the two not so long ago -- thrashed them at home, and then lost at Anfield on the return.

Leverkusen and the Reds meeting in the final would be pretty damned special, especially if the two end up being champions of their respective leagues.

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The full Europa League draw is like this by the way. I wanted to share it because of not seeing it on the previous posts.

The most interesting one is Milan - Roma truthfully. Because it is more like a clash between close teams in strength. If Roma were still being managed by Mourinho now then I would have seen Milan more favourite.

However since De Rossi took the job the team have seemed much more effective in attacking especially. The score contribution has increased quite more. Although bookies are favouring Milan I think Roma deserve to be given a chance on betting. What do you think?

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Quote from: Josefjix on March 16, 2024, 03:32:10 PM

Quote from: Furious 7 on March 15, 2024, 04:44:42 PM

As for the chances of winning the Europa League, Liverpool are still the strongest while for Leverkusen it depends on how they continue their trend whether it is only limited to this or even better in the Europa League.

There's enough time for elite team to compete between themselves for winning. There's absolutely no limitations for elite team, they're keen on bringing on important records as accomplishments. The Europa League doesn't seem tough and the best competitive club comes home with significant title which is presentable for the status of the team. Liverpool are non-stop this season. They're out not in the UEFA Champions League competition and the tournament that qualify for, they just have to put in their best and bring to Anfield the golden title.

If you say that the Europa League is for elite club to be able to taste the real champion it is also unjustified because seeing from the last few seasons there are always surprises that occur in it even that includes for Barcleona because even in the 2 seasons they are in the Europa League, they can't even get to the final which means the Europa League is not as easy as imagined but for the case now for Liverpool indeed their chances remain the biggest its just that it also cant be a belief that can really be used as a benchmark because they also have to work hard to get the trophy even though their level is much bigger than other clubs in the Europa League at this time .

There are always surprises that we never even expected before for the Europa League and now we still haven't seen it so this is still a very good sign for Liverpool but if there are surprises that occur in the remaining matches because now there are still three phases where the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals then indeed we also cannot be surprised by that because the Europa League is unpredictable and cannot be predicted properly .

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 15, 2024, 04:44:42 PM

As for the chances of winning the Europa League, Liverpool are still the strongest while for Leverkusen it depends on how they continue their trend whether it is only limited to this or even better in the Europa League.

There's enough time for elite team to compete between themselves for winning. There's absolutely no limitations for elite team, they're keen on bringing on important records as accomplishments. The Europa League doesn't seem tough and the best competitive club comes home with significant title which is presentable for the status of the team. Liverpool are non-stop this season. They're out not in the UEFA Champions League competition and the tournament that qualify for, they just have to put in their best and bring to Anfield the golden title.

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Quote from: Majestic-milf on March 16, 2024, 03:20:25 AM

The draws have been made and Bayer Leverkusen have been paired against West Ham. Granted, the Hammers may not be enough threat to them but with how they performed in their return leg against Freiburg, they could still make trouble for Xabi Alonso's men but since it's in Germany, maybe they can wreak havoc on David Moyes' boys.

Bayer had so much struggle against underdogs from Qarabag that somehow it's hard to expect that it will be easier for them against West Ham. Though, now their lead in Bundesliga is such big that they can afford to drop points in few games and give priority to Europa league.
Liverpool is big favorite against Atlanta, other two pairs is more difficult to predict, but I would say that Benfica and Milan will go the the semifinal.

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It is quite strong indicator that Leverkusen is doing fine, because they haven't lost a single game yet, and yet we almost saw them get out. Which proves that it doesn't matter how good you are, people assumed that Leverkusen may win the whole thing, people definitely assumed that they would dominate Qarabag, I mean they beat Bayern in a humiliating fashion, so obviously everyone assumed they would win this too.

And yet, on the first game they lost, and on the second game they won with 2 goals coming at 90+ minute mark. That should be proof enough that we are talking about a team that may struggle at times, maybe it hasn't so far but that doesn't mean that it will never have that, it may always have something like that.

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Quote from: onecall123 on March 15, 2024, 05:18:08 AM

Bayern Leverkusen continues their unbeaten streak, showcasing an exceptional performance this season. Despite facing considerable pressure from Qarabag, they managed to overcome a 2-nil deficit. While Qarabag fought hard and showed resilience, Bayern Leverkusen's winning mentality prevailed once again. This match may have been their toughest challenge yet this season, but it's a testament to their strong leadership and management. Xabi Alonso's presence has been instrumental, and if he remains with Bayern Leverkusen, they have the potential to win more trophies in the coming days.

They will need to put in more effort so that more teams will come to fear them. Xabi Alonso should train his men up to that standard where they don't get to only be deadly in their domestic league but outside too. The game against Qarabag was intense and to be honest, they almost lost focus so they can't afford to play the way they did with Qarabag in the quarter finals, depending on late minute goals to help them because their opponents will want to make things terrible for them.

The draws have been made and Bayer Leverkusen have been paired against West Ham. Granted, the Hammers may not be enough threat to them but with how they performed in their return leg against Freiburg, they could still make trouble for Xabi Alonso's men but since it's in Germany, maybe they can wreak havoc on David Moyes' boys.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 15, 2024, 04:44:42 PM

As for the chances of winning the Europa League, Liverpool are still the strongest while for Leverkusen it depends on how they continue their trend whether it is only limited to this or even better in the Europa League.

Leverkusen were not very good in their last two games in the competition, it almost seemed like luck.
If Leverkusen can win the Europa just as they are going to win the Bundesliga ahead of Bayern Munich this time, it will be a very big achievement for the coach, and will increase his value to any team that may want to sign him. For a player like Granit Xhaka who just moved to Leverkusen from Arsenal, that will also be a good win for him.

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What is this? Will Leverkusen give up in the round of 16 this time.
They played against 10 men but it was they who struggled to make a victory to take them to the next round in the Europa League this time even they had to fall behind 2 goals first.

It would be regrettable if this result is maintained until the end of the match because apart from them failing to qualify for the next phase, Xabi record for matches without defeat must also end at the hands of Qarabag which we never expected because after all this should be able to win well.
The match entered crucial time but Leverkusen were still troubled by Qarabag's solid defense but there was still time for them to make a good comeback but Xabi had to try everything in the remaining time this time.

The Leverkusen team continues to set records by winning games time and time again. If someone told me yesterday that Leverkusen would win, I wouldn't believe it because the game was almost over even though Leverkusen ended up scoring the winning goal. However, to be honest, Leverkusen didn't play well because Qarabag received a red card, which makes it difficult for Leverkusen to win. If Qarabag did not receive a red card, the match would either end in a penalty shootout or Leverkusen would lose.

Leverkusen is happy that they won, but I'm still not sure if they can win the Europa League because of how they performed in this competition compared to how they did in the Bundesliga. In addition, there are a lot of teams that are stronger than them, like Atlanta, West Ham, and Liverpool. I won't include Roma because they aren't a formidable opponent for Leverkusen; even if they manage to overcome the other teams, they can't defeat Liverpool.

The surprise came in extra time which I did not expect even though I had given up on the bet I had because I thought that it was impossible to win but indeed in today's match it was inversely proportional because precisely the extra time returned my previously lost bet Cheesy

Leverkusen got another win and their record was not broken in yesterday's match but there is still a lot for Xabi to improve now because looking at yesterday's conditions we must be aware that Xabi's scheme is still weak and their strategy has been read to be monotonous but Xabi is difficult to replace the scheme that has happened with a new, better scheme and it must be considered again so that they are able to create several worst possibilities in terms of strategy so that when one scheme does not work well then they still have another scheme to try.

As for the chances of winning the Europa League, Liverpool are still the strongest while for Leverkusen it depends on how they continue their trend whether it is only limited to this or even better in the Europa League.

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Leverkusen almost failed last night right ? and by all means , Qarabag did played an amazing football in both games and if they weren't unlucky enough to meet Leverkusen , I think they would have qualify further but Leverkusen on current form , looks kinda unstoppable.

Brighton was so close to eliminated As.Roma it's never enough to score 1 goal against Roma but on the same time it's way harder to score twice on them.. so overall , Roma kinda deserved to qualify.

Liverpool - Sparta is clearly a strong sign that Liverpool doesn't belong here and if they win Europa League it will be with minimum effort as I'm sure Liverpool are chasing EPL more than Europa League. Cool

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 14, 2024, 05:41:15 PM

What is this? Will Leverkusen give up in the round of 16 this time.
They played against 10 men but it was they who struggled to make a victory to take them to the next round in the Europa League this time even they had to fall behind 2 goals first.

It would be regrettable if this result is maintained until the end of the match because apart from them failing to qualify for the next phase, Xabi record for matches without defeat must also end at the hands of Qarabag which we never expected because after all this should be able to win well.
The match entered crucial time but Leverkusen were still troubled by Qarabag's solid defense but there was still time for them to make a good comeback but Xabi had to try everything in the remaining time this time.

Today's match almost ended with Leverkusen losing and breaking their unbeaten streak but extra time made the difference as we were surprised with 2 goals that I think were very late goals.
Qarabag surprised us in the 16th this season because the defense they showed in the match in the 2 legs was really extraordinary and very worthy of praise but otherwise this is a good lesson for Leverkusen because if there is no miracle in extra time and no Cafarguliyev red card in today's match then I believe Leverkusen has lost momentum and cannot continue competing in the Europa League.

Schick's brace for Leverkusen saved face and secured Xabi's unbeaten record which is still intact.
This should be a lesson for Xabi that the longer their schemes are read and their performance can be lost in unexpected conditions.

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Quote from: onecall123 on March 15, 2024, 05:18:08 AM

While Qarabag fought hard and showed resilience, Bayern Leverkusen's winning mentality prevailed once again. This match may have been their toughest challenge yet this season, but it's a testament to their strong leadership and management. Xabi Alonso's presence has been instrumental, and if he remains with Bayern Leverkusen, they have the potential to win more trophies in the coming days.

A bit hard to swallow for Qarabag fans I believe, especially with the red card they got. Not to say Leverkusen doesn't deserve the win, but it would be a different story if it were 11 vs 11 till the end of the second half. But who knows, maybe they will still go into the extra time and Leverkusen win it too. Anyway, my point is that it is not solely on their winning mentality or whatnot, circumstances surrounding the game also matter a lot.

Quote from: slaman29 on March 15, 2024, 01:27:55 AM

One of the random teams in this season is Atalanta, lately. Quite good overall, playing badly in a game and turning a different side in another, Sporting was the favorite and somehow this is the result.

They are consistent in the Europa League based on their stats at least[1]. They managed to overperform their xG too, which shows that their finishing is quite good. They also played in the Champions League a few seasons ago. They are a solid team and good enough to go through the last 16.

[1] https://fbref.com/en/squads/922493f3/2023-2024/matchlogs/c19/schedule/Atalanta-Scores-and-Fixtures-Europa-League

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