It could well be that at 10 o’clock on election night, Trump is winning in Michigan, he’s winning in Pennsylvania, he’s winning in Wisconsin, and he gets on the television and he says, ‘Thank you, Americans, for reelecting me. It’s all over. Have a good day.’ But then, the next day, and the day following, all of those mail-in ballots start getting counted, and it turns out that Biden has won those states, at which point Trump says, ‘See? I told you the whole thing was fraudulent. I told you those mail-in ballots were crooked. And we’re not going to leave office.’ So that is a worry that I and a lot of people have.
- Bernard Sanders
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Do people really have a hard time believing democrats want Trump out so bad that they would cheat? Did you not pay attention to the democratic primary?
This implies Democrats would cheat in the closest-fought states, which are controlled by Republicans, and also cheated most polls to overestimate their chances. That really doesn't make sense.
Do people really have a hard time believing democrats want Trump out so bad that they would cheat? Did you not pay attention to the democratic primary?
Here we go, twitter rant has been initiated.
He claims the evil states are controlled by Dems but MI/WI/PA have Republican legislatures and don't allow mail-ins to be counted before election day.
Here we go, twitter rant has been initiated.
Can I get a show of hands from anyone that believes Trump?
My TDS is making it seem like he's definitely, 100% lying and really just trying take votes away from Americans because he doesn't want to lose his power.
Can I get a show of hands from anyone that believes Trump?
My TDS is making it seem like he's definitely, 100% lying and really just trying take votes away from Americans because he doesn't want to lose his power.
However if Biden takes NV, AZ, WI, and MI, which are closer to being complete than PA - it's over for Trump.
I think AZ already declared for Biden. If WI and MI - Biden is ahead in both - finish counting today, then NV would seal it* - not sure if NV have said when they expect to finish counting though.
*Seal it apart from the demands for recounts, official legal challenges, and gun-toting mobs roaming the streets.
NYT - which is what I'm looking at - hasn't called AZ yet but yeah, it looks solidly in Biden's favor. Nearly all votes counted, Biden leads by 100k, not sure what they're waiting for. Late mail-ins?
Regarding Nevada:
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-nevada-president.html
The state’s election division announced Wednesday morning that no more results would be updated until noon Eastern on Thursday. Remaining votes include mail ballots received on Election Day, those that will arrive over the next week and provisional ballots.
However if Biden takes NV, AZ, WI, and MI, which are closer to being complete than PA - it's over for Trump.
I think AZ already declared for Biden. If WI and MI - Biden is ahead in both - finish counting today, then NV would seal it* - not sure if NV have said when they expect to finish counting though.
*Seal it apart from the demands for recounts, official legal challenges, and gun-toting mobs roaming the streets.
This is why Trump stated that they should stop counting votes and that the US have already a winner?
Unfortunately for Trump that's not how it works. All votes need to be counted. Even when media "calls" the results on election night, those states still keep counting and certify the results sometimes weeks later... something the general public doesn't usually care about and Trump seems to be playing with that ignorance.
We are going to be on hold for the winner during the next few hours. There are some states that might reverse the so far result and this is what Trump is afraid of right now...
Could be a few days in places like Pennsylvania. However if Biden takes NV, AZ, WI, and MI, which are closer to being complete than PA - it's over for Trump.
Edit: NYT removed their "needle" from Georgia... I'm still impressed by how close it is.
It's still looking fairly close, but edging I think towards a Biden win. At least, Trump has a more difficult route to victory.
Trump is ahead in N Carolina and Georgia, and will surely also pick up the few points from Alaska.
Latest news from Wisconsin has Biden 15k ahead with ~175k votes to be counted, and from Michigan has Trump ahead by 10k with ~500k still to be counted (but the expectation is that most of these will be Dem, and easily outweigh that current 10k deficit).
Pennsylvania is obviously a big one and will take some time to be counted, but even if Biden loses there, if he takes Wisconsin and Michigan I think that puts him close to the winning line.
Edit: within 10 minutes of writing that, Biden has now taken the lead in Michigan!
Trump is ahead in N Carolina and Georgia, and will surely also pick up the few points from Alaska.
Latest news from Wisconsin has Biden 15k ahead with ~175k votes to be counted, and from Michigan has Trump ahead by 10k with ~500k still to be counted (but the expectation is that most of these will be Dem, and easily outweigh that current 10k deficit).
Pennsylvania is obviously a big one and will take some time to be counted, but even if Biden loses there, if he takes Wisconsin and Michigan I think that puts him close to the winning line.
Edit: within 10 minutes of writing that, Biden has now taken the lead in Michigan!
"Yeah, this isn't looking good." - nutildah, in this post, on his preferred outcome of the 2020 Presidential Race.
According to The Guardian there are still almost 3 million Pennsylvania votes, 2 million Michigan votes and 350K North Carolina votes to count. They all have a much smaller proportion of margin, if these are added to Biden’s current 238 electoral votes then he gets very close to 270.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat
EDIT: Biden is leading in Wisconsin by a tiny margin
they will just keep counting and counting until biden wins and then stop....
I don't think they will. They'll keep counting until Biden wins, then continue counting until all votes cast by the deadline are counted... by which point Biden will likely have won by even more.
Trump knows that mail-in ballots will favour Biden, which is why for example the Rep legislature of Pennsylvania banned the early counting of postal votes. If you ban early counting, and then try to ban late counting too, it sounds a lot like an attempt to just not count those pesky postal votes at all...
Currently looking a lot like a final result of:
Biden 248 / Trump 290
Biden 248 / Trump 290
This is why Trump stated that they should stop counting votes and that the US have already a winner?
We are going to be on hold for the winner during the next few hours. There are some states that might reverse the so far result and this is what Trump is afraid of right now...
Reference from the Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-won-election-ballots-count-supreme-court-biden-b1581628.html
Currently looking a lot like a final result of:
Biden 248 / Trump 290
Biden 248 / Trump 290
rest of the state is bright red.
The rest of the country is bright red.. Mandate 2.0..
How many more judges?
ok ok I better stop..
Sorry.. I'm excited that it's even near to close and just talking shit..
Suddenly out of nowhere Wisconsin looks competitive. 8% votes yet to be counted and Trump is up by 4.1%. Kenosha County (where the riots occurred recently) is showing a big shift towards GOP. I would say that right now Wisconsin looks 50/50. Trump is still up in Michigan by 8.2%, but 28% of the votes are yet to be counted and I expect him to lose by 3-4 points. His lead in PA has been reduced to 13.4%, and 36% ballots remain there to be counted. And in Georgia, Trump is looking quite vulnerable.
Where do you see 8% remaining? NYT shows 19% remaining in Wisconsin, and 60% remaining in Milwaukee, which should favor Biden significantly.
In Pennsylvania though... I don't see where Biden can get the votes to cover the ~600k deficit he has now. Neither Philly nor Pittsburgh seem to have that many votes left to count and the rest of the state is bright red.
If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be advocating for counting every vote before calling it, wouldn't you 
idk maybe lol
Is me calling the winner now triggering to some?
oops..
Trump wins the ec.. (prediction)
You think I trust Detroit and Philadelphia PA to keep counting to infinity?
Question is - what's better for the crypto market? Trump or Biden?
Putin..
Question is - what's better for the crypto market? Trump or Biden?
Why does Trump keep making this ridiculous lies?
Exhibit A:
Exhibit A:
Now they will just keep counting and counting until biden wins and then stop....
Real votes, fake votes, no matter..
Trump "loses" now..
Real votes, fake votes, no matter..
Trump "loses" now..
Should have called the rust belt.. (cnn/all)
CNN "calls" don't determine election outcomes and CNN doesn't count the votes.
If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be advocating for counting every vote before calling it, wouldn't you
Suddenly out of nowhere Wisconsin looks competitive. 8% votes yet to be counted and Trump is up by 4.1%. Kenosha County (where the riots occurred recently) is showing a big shift towards GOP. I would say that right now Wisconsin looks 50/50. Trump is still up in Michigan by 8.2%, but 28% of the votes are yet to be counted and I expect him to lose by 3-4 points. His lead in PA has been reduced to 13.4%, and 36% ballots remain there to be counted. And in Georgia, Trump is looking quite vulnerable.
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