- Biden already has 270+ electors from states that certified their results.
- This essentially takes care of the "safe harbour" deadline (December 8) - date by which states must complete all recounts etc and certify the results. None of the attempts to derail this process have succeeded.
- EC meetings are scheduled for December 14. Faithless electors and other nonsense is very unlikely due to extreme partisanship.
- The only recent Supreme Court action on election-related matters is a deadline set for PA officials to respond to a mail ballot case... set for December 9, i.e. after the certification deadline, so it won't affect the PA electoral vote.
- There is nothing else on the SC doorstep that could change anything before the 8th.
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Just a quick reminder where we stand with the presidential election:
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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.
Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.
Not exactly sure where the evidence is that I am 'ignoring reality'.
At this point there is ZERO credible evidence to back the fact the voter fraud claims. Trump continues to repost things on his twitter that aren't true, and aren't holding up in a court of law. It doesn't really matter if you spread tons of BS on your twitter or random conspiracy theory blog sites, these claims do have to be proved in court where real evidence is needed.
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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.
Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.
heres the reality you and millions of trump culters simply ignore and just keep repeating hoax instead
- trump campaign chair made millions of dollars getting putins preferred candidate elected president of ukraine
- russian intelligence officer flew around the world to have a 2 hour secret meeting with trump campaign chair few months before election
- trump advisors said email dump was going to happen before it did
- don jr. and jared took meeting from russians who were offering dirt on clinton
- after gop nomination trump said he had no buisness in russia, trump tower moscow was still being negotiated
- mueller report was clear that no determination was made because olc said you have to wait till hes not president anymore to indict him
- mueller established that trump obstructed the investigation and "the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts"
- trump went on to lose the 2020 election to joe biden in trumps own definition of a land slide
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Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
Oh, now you are making some interesting claims. Keep in mind to simply ignore reality, and keep repeating the claim. This will make it become true. Just like the Russia Collusion story became true because it kept getting repeated.
Well maybe that one didn't work out as planned.
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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.
Imagine if that voter fraud commission Trump put together to find the 3 million illegal votes that cost him the popular vote in 2016 had actually found anything...
But they didn't. Too bad, would have been a great talking point for you right about now. Not as great as actual evidence that Biden only won because of fraud, but still better than nothing...which is what you have right now.
Yup, that commission found nothing. As there was nothing to actually find.
Even as of now, with explosive claims from Trump and his lawyers, there is nothing to back any of these claims. Not even small amounts of evidence that could maybe be building up to get to something that is real. Nothing, NADA, ZERO evidence at all to support these crazy claims that dead people are voting and all of this.
Where's the evidence? No where to be found right now.
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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.
Imagine if that voter fraud commission Trump put together to find the 3 million illegal votes that cost him the popular vote in 2016 had actually found anything...
But they didn't. Too bad, would have been a great talking point for you right about now. Not as great as actual evidence that Biden only won because of fraud, but still better than nothing...which is what you have right now.
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In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
Well, you'd be trying to make it happen faster, and your adversaries would be trying to slow it down.In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors....
You'd legally request the voting machines be impounded for forensic examination. Your adversaries would fight that.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.
There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.
Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.
This is probably better suited for its own thread, or even its own sub... I don't think Trump was well prepared to win the Presidency in 2016. His early administration was not well organized, which probably resulted in much of his first term being stymied
In my opinion though, I don't think it should take THAT LONG to find out that voter fraud happened. Like, Donald Trump has the full force of his legal team, his DOJ, and the rest of Republican state governors
Plus like, if it was uncovered by prosecutors within the DOJ then wouldn't it take a lot to hide all of this from the American people? There are career members of the DOJ who are Republicans, not all of them are Dems who are beholden to Biden or anything along those lines.
Yeah the early admin of the Trump administration is something that we REALLY should start a thread about. Way too much disfunction which stopped anything from really happening.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.
There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.....
The Democrats had been repeatedly and loudly saying they wanted to "count every vote." The Republicans had countered with "count every legal vote."
Seems that argument is still going on.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
There are issues in PA such as not allowing GOP poll watchers to watch the counting of the ballots, however, I am not aware of evidence of sufficiently substantial and widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the election.
There are real issues with mail-in voting, however, the Republican opposition to widespread mail-in voting likely disenfranchised their own voters. The amount of effort put into voting for Biden per vote was less than the effort each voter put into voting for Trump.
Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.
This is probably better suited for its own thread, or even its own sub... I don't think Trump was well prepared to win the Presidency in 2016. His early administration was not well organized, which probably resulted in much of his first term being stymied
That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.
I won't delete this because it's been replied to and explained but come on... stop krakening unrelated threads. You have your own. This is not the place for it.
Trump angry at Republican governors certifying the results:
Why won’t Governor @BrianKempGA, the hapless Governor of Georgia, use his emergency powers, which can be easily done, to overrule his obstinate Secretary of State, and do a match of signatures on envelopes. It will be a “goldmine” of fraud, and we will easily WIN the state...
Why is he rushing to put a Democrat in office, especially when so many horrible things concerning voter fraud are being revealed at the hearing going on right now. @OANN What is going on with @dougducey?
The fuck is the Kraken anyway? -- The news outlet(?), not the myth.
Qanon conspiracy theory that is so stupid Trump had to pretend like the lawyer that pushed it in public never worked for him.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?
That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.
I mean in the real world. You know the Kraken isn't real, right? It's a myth.
The fuck is the Kraken anyway? -- The news outlet(?), not the myth.
But in any case, state after state is currently certifying the results for Biden and the race is over. That's the end of it for Trump and there is pretty much no way to move forward with the whole -- convince the state electors to not certify the results, or something along those lines. We're at the point of no return. Donald Trump will leave the WH in January and that'll be that.
Guy will totally still be active in politics, will totally buy a media outlet or start his own and then build it up. Will be a force in the GOP as well as down the ballot Republicans know that he is the reason for the base support.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?
That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.
I mean in the real world. You know the Kraken isn't real, right? It's a myth.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?
That is not what the forensic analysis by The Kraken shows.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
What if the fraud actually helped Trump and Biden really won by more?
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
That is inaccurate. Trump did better than down ballot candidates in states such as Arizona. However in states such as Maine and Michigan, he performed worse than the GOP candidates for senate/house. But looking at the percentages can be misleading. A lot of people who participated in the POTUS election abstained from the senate elections.
For example, John James outperformed Trump in Michigan (48.22% vs 47.85%, a difference of 0.37%). But if you look at the number of votes, then it can be seen that Trump received more votes when compared to James (2,649,852 vs 2,642,833).
Trump, rather than hurting the down ballot candidates, helped them in a big way by ensuring a huge turnout among the GOP supporters.
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
There will be a show of force of fake votes, as they figure that after Joe and Hoe take office nobody will come after them and their vote fraud.
I suspect it'll be pretty much right out in the open.
This sums up the whole post-election nonsense quite well:
Wisconsin's partial recount boosted Democrat Joe Biden's victory by 87 votes Sunday as President Donald Trump said he was preparing a lawsuit to overturn the results.
Apparently some Trump supporters in Georgia are upset enough to boycott the Senate runoffs:
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245
That can't be real, can it?
Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden. https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245
That can't be real, can it?
Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote.
I take a bit of a different take on things. I think that they voted for Trumps policies, though they voted against Trump the personality. Trumps policies have been pretty rightward and have been embraced by the Republican wing of the party, they've liked what they've gotten over these years.
The personality has been something that people have had to swallow as their best shot at getting conservative policies, as he is the King of the Republican party at this point.
I do think we will get another Trump soon, though he won't be as much of Trump the personality. He'll still have it there, though he'll be a lot more reigned in by advisors and less abrasive. That's going to be a bit of the new normal in politics for sometime.
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