Topic: US Elections 2020 - very self such moderated - page 7. (Read 4674 times)

I'll allow it as a prediction

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I guess the next thing to watch out for would any shenanigans by Republican state legislatures in the swing states trying to meddle with elector delegations. I can't imagine them going that far but I couldn't imagine a losing candidate refusing to concede so I don't know anymore.

Not a conspiracy theory.

It's pretty likely he either pardons himself, or gets pence to pardon him.

Regardless, we're about to see a lot of pardons.

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

I had to delete a lot of posts just now so I think this warrants reminding that this thread is about the 2020 election. I understand that some detours are inevitable, but let's try to stay on topic. This means no agitprop, no grievances you may have about one party or another, no personal attacks, and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum... perhaps limited only to the ones endorsed by Trump (or Biden, if there are any) if we must.

Want to place a bet that no matter how much litigation happens Biden still wins?

-Dave

A news outlet calling a race is a very strong indicator of the outcome.  That's why Biden is 'the projected winner'.

What you mean to say is that sometimes they get it wrong and the chances of Trump winning are greater than 0%.  And I agree. 

A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court.

The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better.

It won't matter if he sues since Pennsylvania has a law instated saying a president can't overturn what happens in that state's election. No matter what.
He can request for a recount but that's about it, can't sue the law of was written over 200 years of democracy. Your not in a communist country trump.
Watch 4:04 and listen to what he says. Lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania:  "Math is math!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxOu8HXve14

He restated what happens in the Pennsylvania judicial system(which is different and why they call it a commonwealth there) this morning on the same station for all to hear while the counting was still going on.
Now if it was in any other state, like Arizona and Nevada because of those people are still standing in line and waiting to have their votes verified with showing they are a legal american citizen by government issued i.d, then he might delay the passing of power to the democrats.

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

Fox called NV as well.

looks like most news outlets have agreed.

well except for fox; it has reserved its call.

edit: fox news has now called it for biden.

According to ABC, Biden got Pennsylvania, so game over. 273 vs 214.

Of course Trump will do the American thing to do: Sue 

Trump is either making a fool of himself, or this is another "I was wiretapped" situation where everyone that calls him a liar are making fools of themselves and will be shown when the proof drops.. (remember that one?)

Trump likes to set his opponents and the media up like that..

Trump tweeted few minutes ago. 🤣🤣🤣

I think Trump will drag it out beyond that point. Even if the media turns against him and stops granting him airtime, he still has his own communication channels. The man will never, ever accept that he's been defeated in anything, or that he's been wrong in anything. Can you imagine him admitting that he called wrong on even the most insignificant event, such as a coin toss or a dice roll? Or that he lost in a golf match? Let alone that he's come second in a two-horse race for leader-of-the-free-world, with billions of people watching on.

For Biden supporters the election has two possible outcomes:
Biden wins
Biden loses

For Trump supporters* the election has two possible outcomes:
Trump wins
Trump wins but is cheated out of victory

It's absurd. The problem is that a proportion of the Trump base are backing him through faith rather than reason. That's why facts have no effect on them.
Of course some benighted countries do have elections where the result is determined prior to ballots being counted. America really shouldn't want to become one of those countries.

*_{Not all Trump supporters, obviously. But the loudest ones tend to grab the attention.}

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Further to this, the fallout could get messy and violent. Will he leave the White House quietly? Will he encourage armed extremist nut-jobs to vote with their guns? I think it's a genuine concern. It's difficult to rule anything out at this point. The Biden campaign's tongue-in-cheek comment that "the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House" could yet come to pass.

I'd say over. 

Democrats effectively gained 2 seats (1 proper Senate seat + VP tiebreaker) but I would expect the GA runoffs to be fierce. Now that a state-wide Georgia election has been shown to be winnable for Democrats they will probably gamble a $100 million on it.

Even in case Republicans somehow manage to win the two remaining seats in Georgia (Perdue and Loeffler), their majority will be reduced to 52-48. But then there are at least two "Republican" senators who vote with Democrats most of the time - Murkowski and Collins. So even in the best case scenario for Republicans, the actual balance in the senate is going to be 50-50.

The media says it's not technically over till one candidate receives a majority of votes from the electors on December 15th, or the House of Representatives chooses the next president.