Topic: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. - page 2. (Read 92654 times)

Newsflash, people think you are a scammer right now.

I don't know what burnside is and I don't know why I should care. You can spout a bunch of b.s. about why you aren't paying me the money you owe me, but it doesn't matter to me, it's over, life goes on.

I'm simply stating to everyone that you took my money, you won't pay me back, and I think you are a scammer, end of story.

No, you don't understand. I forwarded the message + mail headers directly to burnside. I couldn't have altered the list, there's a paper trail.

You owe me an apology.

It's fuckups like this that made people think I was a scammer before. People like you need to wake up. I wasn't on a few lists too, quite ironically Ian Bakewell and BitcoinOZ's, two people who were extremely vocal in putting me down. Coincidences being what they are, if I were you, I'd apologize. I did. Life goes on.

After reading many threads involving usagi, it is my belief that he is lying to me about me not being on the list.

I was on many other lists, I filled in all of the claims as per Nefario's request, and I've been compensated for all of those assets. Usagi is the only asset holder who refuses to acknowledge me.

I don't expect to ever get my money back from a scammer like usagi. I just wanted to publicly mention that I too, like many others, feel I have been scammed by him.

No, you have been repeatedly told you are not on the list.

There have been a dozen and one cases just like this where people who thought they were on a list turned out not to be and the shares could be manually confirmed (by hand). You're not on the list, end of story.


Nope, not on the list. You owe me an apology.

I'm not wasting any of my time digging up records for you. You are a scammer, and you have my 1BTC.
The readers of this and all of the other threads on which you are being outed can make up their minds for themselves.

Update: nameface has sent me his e-mail and bitcoin address in PM. The information he sent me does not match anything on my lists. I can also show that I received complete lists from Nefario, so this is not a case where nameface was not on the list for some reason; we know he's not on the list.

To nameface: Your information turned out to be false. At this point all I can say is, if you give me the references for the nine securities you claim have paid you, I will look into whether or not you were actually on their lists and what information you gave them. But I do not welcome false accusations.

No problem. Thanks.

No, I'm not bitfloor. Sorry I was just trying to keep it light and lively This thread ended a couple months ago I think.

I'm sorry, but I do not understand the non sequitur. It was a "yes", "no", "I don't know", or "I refuse to answer" kind of question. I ask because I am a Bitfloor customer and have respected them for their honesty after being victimized. 

This thread is now about cats.

Please forgive my ignorance, guys, but is usagi Bitfloor?

Either you're outright lying, or you've made a terrible mistake. Don't worry, this will be easy to show one way or another.

Just post your claim e-mail and we can determine if you were on the list that was forwarded to burnside. Then we can confirm whether or not you:

a) made a mistake and lost your e-mail
b) made a mistake and are not a shareholder

Those are the only two ways out of this for you. In either case I expect an apology. We don't need anymore drive by sockpuppets like deeplink and capn noe.

Oh, and in case you missed the post right above yours when you necro'd this thread:
quote author=augustocroppo link=topic=113708.msg1434449#msg1434449 date=1357317432]
Usagi sent me a personal message showing an offer to settle any dispute that a shareholder could have with him.

My notes:

a) I do not think Usagi deserves a scammer tag. I have been watching Usagi before Pirateat40 defaulted. This campaign of false accusations against Usagi was initiated by users like Eskimobob, Puppet, Deprived, etc. Usagi only decided to protect his business (thus his shareholders) when he requested a scammer tag for the users casting aspersions over him. No accusation against Usagi has been proven true, beyond doubt. Hence such accusations became evident for an organized campaign to defame Usagi's business.

b) Since Usagi is not a scammer and not a fraudster, there is no reason for Usagi to offer such generous settlements to his shareholders. Instead, it is the false accusers who should be offering a settlement to repair all damaged caused by them to Usagi's shareholders. But that is not what is happening. Usagi has already requested that the accusers present any remedy to settle the dispute. The false accusers have still not offered any remedy. They have demonstrated that they are not interested in any settlement. They want what they always wanted: Usagi with a scammer tag. Whatever offer is made to settle this endless campaign of false accusations, that will be eventually ignored. A new accusation will pop up without any evidence and the whole fiasco will continue until Usagi receives a scammer tag. The only way to stop this campaign is to threaten the false accusers with a scammer tag. The false accusers have a free pass to falsely accuse Usagi (and any other business) as much as they want. There is no retaliation against them by the forum administration. Moreover, two moderators have already demonstrated a complete lack of fair judgment regarding this situation. Therefore, I think Usagi has no obligation to offer any settlement to his shareholders because it was not him who decided to destroy his business. The false accusers are the ones who should be penalized with a scammer tag if they do not offer a remedy to stop the false accusations.
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I held 10 shares of usagi's BMF on GLBSE at the time of the shutdown and have never been reimbursed. I contacted usagi directly. He said:

"..no problem, but it's important to tell me if you've placed a claim via glbse or not, and if so what that address was. I have all the lists, and I'm in the process of counting up what we have and beginning distributing assets now.."

I let him know that I had already processed my claim. After receiving no word from usagi I contacted him again and he said that he didn't have my wallet on record and refused to pay me.

The main reason I'm posting this is so people new to bitcoin can have a better chance of avoiding usagi. I see many scam accusations for usagi and I feel it reflects very badly on bitcointalk.org to have someone like this promoting themselves freely.

I am owed 1 BTC from usagi, and I just wanted to make it public for posterity. I held 9 different assets on GLBSE and usagi is the only asset issuer that refuses to pay me that I also see masquerading around bitcointalk pretending to be legitimate.

Usagi sent me a personal message showing an offer to settle any dispute that a shareholder could have with him.

My notes:

a) I do not think Usagi deserves a scammer tag. I have been watching Usagi before Pirateat40 defaulted. This campaign of false accusations against Usagi was initiated by users like Eskimobob, Puppet, Deprived, etc. Usagi only decided to protect his business (thus his shareholders) when he requested a scammer tag for the users casting aspersions over him. No accusation against Usagi has been proven true, beyond doubt. Hence such accusations became evident for an organized campaign to defame Usagi's business.

b) Since Usagi is not a scammer and not a fraudster, there is no reason for Usagi to offer such generous settlements to his shareholders. Instead, it is the false accusers who should be offering a settlement to repair all damaged caused by them to Usagi's shareholders. But that is not what is happening. Usagi has already requested that the accusers present any remedy to settle the dispute. The false accusers have still not offered any remedy. They have demonstrated that they are not interested in any settlement. They want what they always wanted: Usagi with a scammer tag. Whatever offer is made to settle this endless campaign of false accusations, that will be eventually ignored. A new accusation will pop up without any evidence and the whole fiasco will continue until Usagi receives a scammer tag. The only way to stop this campaign is to threaten the false accusers with a scammer tag. The false accusers have a free pass to falsely accuse Usagi (and any other business) as much as they want. There is no retaliation against them by the forum administration. Moreover, two moderators have already demonstrated a complete lack of fair judgment regarding this situation. Therefore, I think Usagi has no obligation to offer any settlement to his shareholders because it was not him who decided to destroy his business. The false accusers are the ones who should be penalized with a scammer tag if they do not offer a remedy to stop the false accusations.

Request for a moratorium on usagi posts until January 7th, 2013.

Usagi, at that time please report back on your developments with paying your investors back and winding down your companies.

Thank you.

Really usagi,

You don't have time to provide evidence that could support your claim of an unjust scam accusation.

Yet you have time to open a months old dispute about a case that no one cares about because you have NO credibility in this community and not one really cares anymore.

The only excuse could be that the evidence you refuse to provide must go to further prove your guilt.


 

The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi) is the obligation to shift the accepted conclusion away from an oppositional opinion to one's own position.

The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."[1]

He who does not carry the burden of proof carries the benefit of assumption, meaning he needs no evidence to support his claim. Fulfilling the burden of proof effectively captures the benefit of assumption, passing the burden of proof off to another party. -wikipedia (emphasis mine)

Dear BCB;
I will make a response to the evidence you have presented in your locked thread when I have time. I'm busy with other things right now, like closing down my companies and making payments to shareholders. First payments go out tomorrow (friday) actually, as we've gotten paid by a number of companies. Hardware payments will go up soon too, since we were refunded from BFL for 2 jalapenos and a SC single so far.

Lots of distraction here.

As usual

usai is to the scammer thread what satoshi dice is to the blockchain.



USAGI,

Can you please produce the full text to Motion ID: 80

Also GLBSE has released funds and documents from it site.

Have you received yours.

May of your links point to dead GLBSE pages.


Thank you.

The lending forum?

Where I got a loan and then paid it back?

Not sure what you're talking about BTW.

Threats now? You are a big scary man. By the way you didn't answer the question. What gives you any right?