Topic: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors. - page 6. (Read 92654 times)

Considering how muddled this is, and your attitude, I suspect that BCB is about as fair as you are going to get.  And I really doubt that he, or anyone else, is capably of resolving this, but that is because resolution seems impossible unless you change yourself.

You seem slimy, and you get worse with nearly every post.  My opinion, which matters not at all, remains that you started out with honest intentions, and then made some mistakes, but then clung stubbornly to them.  I'm thankful that I'm not the one that has to decide if that rises to the level of "scamming".

Scammer tag or not, your reputation has taken a terrible hit from this incident.  If you are interested in salvaging something, resolve to change your ways.  Practice some humility, listen to what people have to say, develop some respect for what the rest of the world considers to be appropriate handling of fiduciary duty, make a big show of winding down your closing ventures correctly and publicly.

Yes -- At most, even if I roll over and play dead the damages aren't worth more than a few hundred BTC here AND I am willing to settle just to avoid the time it takes to answer.

And pirate likely fled the country with five million US dollars and a suitcase full of cocaine.

The similarities are blinding.

Just doing my part to help this thread become longer than the ones about pirate. It'd be only fitting.

Since you stated only interested in pursuing a scammer tag and you are not interested in a resolution (for example a settlement) it's become clear that you are not actually interested in a response which would show I am innocent. Which is why you requested a scammer tag in full knowledge I was responding to your claims, and that all of the responses I have made have resulted in you admitting I was innocent.

There is really no point in discussing anything with you, but as you have agreed to be a central clearing house for complaints against me, you have provided a simple place for me to made responses. Once I deal with all of your accusations (or settle directly with shareholders) then this will finally be over.

I have no relationship or responsibility to you or your shareholders. It is up the them to divest themselves of their shares or to pursue you by appropriate channels.

We are here to show that you broke contracts. Made promises that you did not keep. And regularly miscalculated the value of you assets.

As is you M.O.  You keep changing the topic and obsfucateing the discussion.

So as you can not Answer simple questions and produce factual documentation and have admitted to deleting material information to hide your fraud and deception I will continue to call you a scammer.

The choice is yours.

So you cannot work for the shareholders and arbitrate a settlement? In that case you are not worth responding to and I will deal with the shareholders myself. It's really your choice. Either you are an arbiter, or you are just another person accusing me. You have no special status or right here.

1. GLBSE fall down go boom. I do not have access to my CSV file. This does not mean I am a scammer.

2. I live in China. And for what it matters, I am the princess of the moon.

3. No I am not a scammer. I want to try and resolve this quickly now. If you are willing to work for the shareholders, why not consider a settlement? It's something I don't have to do. Think about it -- if it's clear I won't work in the community again, what's the problem with helping me do the right thing and giving money to shareholders? Either you agree that I can resolve this in principle, or you just fired yourself as arbiter.

Choose your next words to me carefully, I refuse to participate with you if you're going to give me the runaround: Are you going to help me settle this or not? I want to propose a settlement, and this is literally the fifth time I am asking for a response from you on that.

So you cannot answer these simple questions?

Are you going to give me a chance to answer them, or are you going to request that Theymos give me a scammer tag? Stop being a hypocrite.

Are you going to be able to negotiate a cash settlement for shareholders, or do I need to cut you out of the picture and do it myself? Remove your bias and do your job as an arbiter.

Answer the simple questions.

usgai.  Answer the simple questions.

BCB


Cut the crap. I'm not the victim.. but I want this to go away? Yes, I want your ridiculous campaign to tag me as a scammer to go away. because that is what it is; you've given up all pretense of allowing me a fair chance to make a response and/or repair any damage by making a payment to my shareholders.  You've made a decision that I am a scammer despite the fact the only response I've given to you so far has led to you admitting your accusation was without merit. Now you're pushing for a scammer tag before I have had a chance to respond to any of the other claims.

When you decide you are willing to either deal with the evidence you have provided in a simple, step by step fashion
OR
that you agree to arbitrate a settlement which will be paid to shareholders,

THEN

I will deal with you in this matter.

Until then, you don't seem interested in helping repair what damages you feel I have caused to shareholders, rather, you just seem intent on doing me in. So I am going to send a letter to each one of my shareholders now offering a settlement. I don't think you're doing a good job as an arbiter by refusing me the opportunity to make a proper response. I don't know who you think you are anyways -- If I have a settlement with my shareholders, THEN this will end. Not when you say so. I only agreed to let you collect all the evidence in one place so I could make a final response to it.


This is crap. You've had several people speak up on my behalf now including stochastic and augustocroppo. Even vampire, deprived and repentence seem interested in pursuing a cash settlement to some degree.

How about this; if anyone believes BCB is being fair and is capable of resolving this, speak up now. I mean wtf, who wouldn't jump at the chance to negotiate a cash settlement? It's clear BCB is not looking out for shareholder interests here. The companies are closing down; this would only help shareholders.

Who is BCB working for, if not the shareholders I've supposedly ripped-off?

Usagi

You are not the victim here.  You have total control over this situation. I Aslo believe that you are enjoying all this attention.

You want this to go away. Prove us wrong.

1. You stated as fact ro your incestors that you had complete details of of your companies assets. Pleas produce them now to prove us wrong. If you cannot you Are a scammer for making false statements to your investors which they may have relied on to invest with you.

2. Please state what country you reside in.

3. Are you or are you not a scammer?

Three simple requests that do not require paragraphs upon paragraphs of sperging to respond to.

If anyone bieves I am being too harsh on usagi please post here or pm me evidence of you support of his business activities and if valid I will post in locked thread.

BCB is being a jerk to me. He's insulting me and passing judgement before posting evidence, he's stated he isn't reading my posts anyway, and he seems unwilling to actually seek a resolution other than I'm a scammer.

If BCB is only going to do work such that I get a scammer tag then what's the point of dealing with him? he's not interested in me making peace with my shareholders; he just wants to do me in. So he has shown his true colors now. So no I will not agree with his decision. The problem is that BCB has become another soapbox for "usagi therefore scammer". Here are two things BCB can do to help resolve this:

1. BCB can agree that we will deal with one thing at a time.

2. BCB can agree that it's possible we can resolve this with a settlement paid to shareholders.

If neither of the above are true, then BCB's original intent of collecting the evidence in one place and allowing a final response seems to have fallen by the wayside.

And if I can't do this with BCB my last option is to make a settlement directly with shareholders. See, my companies are in a close-down process. If I offer a settlement to shareholders, regardless of any wrongdoing and they take it, then that's that. So this is how we are going to resolve this: step by step and/or via settlement, or I will cut BCB out of the picture and deal directly with my shareholders. I guarantee you that if I have a settlement from my shareholders in hand I will never, ever get a scammer tag. So maybe I should just go and do that anyways, since I have a full list from nefario?

I am not, I repeat not, going to sit here for the next six months of my life while BCB's locked thread grows to 100 posts and try to answer every tiny little stinking question he has. I need to close down my companies and get on with my life. You and BCB either choose to deal with the evidence in the locked thread, or you choose not to try to work towards a resolution either way. I've shown my willingness to deal here:

kongzi.ca/BCB

and here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1429794

Now it's BCB's turn. Since he's said he's ignoring my posts, I suggest you contact him and mention I have offered a chance to settle. It would save everyone a hell of a lot of time. I'm just not interested in the whole endless war thing.

Are you saying you'll accept BCB's decision on this?

If not, then it's pretty pointless everyone else doing so: as we risk him saying "usagi's innocent" whilst if he says "usagi's guilty" you'll promptly accuse him of bias and making the wrong decision and want someone else to deal with it.

BCB's recent post in the other thread is probably relevant here as he's now officially called for theymos to give usagi a scammer tag.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1430313

In response to the quoted paragraph there's a reason why people in real life have to jump through a bunch of hoops to manage investment funds: it's to stop incompetents losing the money of investors they sucked in with false claims of competence.

If people don't want to demonstrate competence BEFORE asking for loads of money then it's unreasonable to impose an assumption of competence when there's complaints.  IF competence had been proven in advance then yeah - it would be fair to ask for a fee from those registering complaints.  But when competence hasn't ever been demonstrated then there should be no charge for asserting incompetence.

And a fee for accusing of scamming means only those at risk of losing funds will usually complain.  That's bad on two counts:

1.  Those who can most clearly see the flaws in something (e.g. that Nyan never defined in advance fixed ratios for A/B/C so was impossible to determine risk/reward for) will NOT be investors - it'll be those who didn't spot the problems themself.
2.  Investors often don't want to risk complaining themselves - for fear they'll piss off the asset issuer who will then deliberately screw them over.

From my perspective when I raise issues with an ingoing business it's usually (but not always) NOT to protect existing investors - they're already at the mercy of the operator.  It's to ensure potential future investors are aware of issues they need to consider before parting with their funds.

Do also be aware that I raised my concerns about usagi in threads for the various businesses - NOT in scammers forum.  I only raised them here after usagi repeatedly told me to do so.

EDIT: To add there's also another huge difference between RL and here.  When you pay all the fees etc to bring a case in RL the courts can actually order and (to an extent) enforce repayment/compensation.  All they can give here is a tag.

Note what is going on. Usagi using his stall and obstruction technique again.

Answering a simple question would have taken one word. Instead he decides to type another long text of nonsense to stall, obstruct and obfuscate the investigation.

Then fluently progresses to appeal to emotion.

Textbook stuff, but well played. Congratulations usagi and by the way, happy new year, wherever you are!

I've told you several times I will deal with the evidence you have posted in due course and over time. I'm not going to allow you to control the discussion on that level, where you post accusation after accusation and demand a response or an admission. You have agreed to collect evidence, and even if you feel it is your job to collect evidence against me I feel you are more than welcome to do so. Just post whatever evidence you have against me in your locked thread and I will make a single response in a single place, thus avoiding spam, and working through this mess quickly, cleanly, once and for all.

How does agreeing the accusation was unjustified in ONE case suddenly mean ALL such claims are unjustified?
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The words "in at least one case" means there exist other cases where he did not.

Relax.


Look, if you're not going to agree to go through BCB I won't deal with him. You have a golden opportunity here to present all your evidence to one person, in one place, and then I will make a response, and BCB will make a judgement. Kill the spam. I suggest you use BCB. As the community including you seems to have agreed to use him by presenting evidence to him, I suggest you keep the spam down and let him do his job.


Thank you but it's okay. We will deal with it all, in one place, over time.

Please just agree that we'll do this thru BCB. Present your evidence to him and leave me alone. I need to go wind down my companies tonight and I am tired.

Let me save you the trouble. I already told you I will respond to each one of your accusations in due course. So you're going to have to wait. I'm not going to try to simultaneously respond to 8 or 9 different allegations at once, so relax.

The only side discussion worth having is whether or not you'd accept a settlement in any of the accusations you've shown. It's important whether or not you would accept that as you have agreed to represent all the complaints here. This means that anyone who sent you evidence has agreed that you will make a final decision. If you are willing to arbitrate this and end it quickly and fairly, that may be one option. It's been mentioned a few times now so please comment on it.

In fact I might even wait until you've responded to repentance's and my settlement idea before moving to the next case. I'm feeling a little tired tonight. I just got home.

Taiwan's an hour behind Japan/South Korea.