Topic: Using ToS against users normal? (Read 2954 times)

Actually be depending because we know that people around wont really be able to have those good impressions into those who do violate sites terms and conditions. It might really be that bad looking for the platform on holding or pending up someones withdrawal but we do know that it had been stated on their terms and conditions that they do have the full rights on doing so on the time someone had violated those terms which i could say that it is really just that right that they would take action. If ever they would be making out some decisions which arent that something right then the community or people around would really be having their own words regarding on the situation. They cant really just make out some conclusion that the platform do sucks or shady just because of the action that they had made. Not all the times that
everything would really be blamed out on the platform since there are really that users which do really be able to commit out some violations which it is really just that right that they would be facing up those consequences.

They will be tracking your IP related to your VPN and if it comes from the strict country like US and verifying KYC is a must. The casino was just trying to deal with the regulation. Better for them to avoid having trouble with the regulators.

Changing DNS or using WARP are always become the best method to bypass it. I do understand if sometimes ISP could also block the access to the casino as well.
Some casino were also very strict on their users.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

Of all this, I think the following, a person who uses a VPN should not give so much in terms of demands if they use a VPN, if I comply with VPN, why do they want to have more demands again? I once see that things are done like this, because the vpn is unnecessary, if I want I do it and they must accept me, I don't see why there are so many problems with that, I personally don't see the point of any casino putting Tatas works on that, there are some casinos that already accept the use of the VPN for players, normally if you are a player from a prohibited country you can do it, because there are cases where players who are native to those countries but live in different countries Well, they can play, they have the right to do so, because I don't see any type of restriction there and if they want to make another type of protocol to enter a casino, well, they are within their rights, I don't see what the drama is, there are perhaps those who accept person with a VPN, I imagine that when they comply with their KYC, everything is in order.

When we see the accusations of fraud or something in the children of respect, many cases are that they have the use of a VPN, but as I have said before, I consider that a person who plays with a VPN that has already fulfilled its KYC, because the casino You must acknowledge the rejection and then if you warn him not to use the VPN anymore and to take the necessary measures for that because the casino does not accept the VPN, but he must acknowledge that if the player complied with KYC and that he played like this and won they must pay him, because it is the duty to be.

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

One of the most common things that i do check out or tend to read whenever i do play on a certain new site then i would be always checking about VPN related information and restricted countries
and their threshold on which this would be the snippets of information i do check out on terms and conditions which i should say or could say that it is the most common point to look at because this is where usually platforms would really be making out some issues or reasoning about a certain user do able to commit out which it is really that very common. Using TOS against their users? This is indeed a shady
act or behavior of a casino and this is why if you are having some trust issues then you could really have some screen shot on their TOS anytime you do play on a new site.

If there's no statement about kyc and vpn then it is really just that good or ideal on having those shots and then later on if there would be some related issues that thrown at you
then you could at least have the reason or could really be fighting with your right if there a sufficient proof at least.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

The thing is that,  KYC and AML rules have it double edge implications on the gambler and since in whatever ways you must have to go through KYC verifications at all costs unless you are ready to lose your balance,  this is the risk associated with the use of a VPN,  but we must also note that VPN usage is as a result of many circumstances while some use VPN to bypasses their geographical locations.

While others use VPN just because of the networks their connected to if the feels it not secured then you can use VPN,  but the most important thing is to make sure that your account is fully kyc verified before you make attempt to use a VPN so that you won't have any issue from the usage.

The threat to our personal data grows with the digital world. KYC protects players and casinos. Fraud and money laundering are its main goals, although others find it intrusive. VPNs might cause problems when bypassing geographical restrictions. If a player from a restricted location wins via a VPN, the casino may withhold winnings after finding the breach. Its not about the casino refusing to pay, but about license. Decentralized casinos give more autonomy but also present obstacles. Though per-move charges may appear excessive, they often support the network. User freedom and operational sustainability are delicate.

You are right, in particular there is a way out for this questioning, I could say that I am from a prohibited country, it certainly is, but why use VPNs to be more anonymous and have more privacy, but a person who is You can ask a favor that is from an allowed country, obviously you can comply with the KYC, but you used the VPN for the simple fact that you were in that country, because you reside in the other, so that is a way out, not very ethical but if exit, although things when it comes to VPNs can happen quite the opposite, the perxozna could have complied with the KYC and obviously used a VPN to be able to play from a country that is prohibited and then when he did it is considered a infringement? It is something that should not be, also if that happens, can a casino not pay for it either? I think so, and a person who complies with her KYC would already get rid of that problem.

The KYC thing will always be a problem, but a VPN shouldn't be, by now a casino should accept VPNs, but things when it comes to regulations will come a moment where they won't even accept others to play, and then that will become something where they can no longer be in a casino, because a person who wants to maintain their anonymity and privacy is something that is not worth it, in fact many users here on the forum consider it that way, they believe that Their privacy is essential and they need to take care of it, I respect that very much, and if everyone went with that trend, I think there would be more things or much more anonymous, the bad thing is that when they are decentralized casinos it is very disappointing to the players, because it is Like more commitment, I read a long time ago that a decentralized casino charged for each movement that the player makes, so these things are what can stop players , of course if he is a player who has a lot of money, well, no, but he must have everything those kinds of precautions.

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/chips-gg-casino-plunges-into-chaos-co-founder-accusations-and-unexpected-maintenance/

Chips.gg is a good example of this topic. Chips is one of the crypto casinos that changed their ToS without any notice. They did it more than once as I remember. Apart from being very unprofessional, we have to ask ourselves if they are ready to do that what could they do next?

Well, Betnomi didn't wake up from maintenance mode, maybe the same thing will happen with Chips now.

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

This raises a natural question: if a player uses a VPN, then this automatically means that he either simply bypasses possible blocking of the casino site in the country where he really lives. 
Or it may be an option that such a player, in principle, wants to remain completely anonymous and even tries to hide the real country where he is located.  So in this second case there is one very unpleasant contradiction.  It lies in the fact that if a player wins a large amount in a casino, then it is very likely that the casino will require him to undergo the KYC procedure and fully reveal his identity. 
Otherwise, he will not be allowed to transfer the money won to his wallet.  In this case, the use of a VPN will obviously create problems with identification.  In particular, for this reason, as I think, the casino may well find fault and begin to oppose the payment of this winnings in every possible way.  At the same time, the natural question from the casino is, why did the player actually use VPN at all? 
If the player simply bypassed the blocking of the site of this casino, adopted by the decision of the regulatory authorities of the country, then the player violated local laws and regulations, but if he hides his identity in case of receiving undeclared income from winnings, and uses a VPN, then he also violates local laws. 
As a result, everything turns out badly.

Well, the truth is I don't know why it says that casinos can change their Tos and without notifying, I'm not saying anything that the Tos can be changed in the bonuses, that one bonus is different from another, but, I think that the Tos in a site like A casino that is like its rules, its laws, is like changing the constitution of a country without consulting the Ubelo in order to do it, what we commonly call a dictatorship, which is the case in some countries, but even a casino is not willing to do things like that Because as you say, when they do it that way, it is so that the player has no chance of being victorious under any scheme, and this is not the idea either, the casino already has its house advantage, and a player wins when he wins. It is because he was lucky, he persevered and won, and that must be recognized and they must do everything necessary so that he can withdraw his money, because once a player loses, I have not seen a single casino that says that it was their mistake and that they will return the deinor to their euna, that does not happen anywhere.

So with respect to the other thing you are talking about, it is very true, if there is a casino that defrauds its players, it is very easy for that casino to lose, no matter the great heavy machinery in fucking marketing, because if they did things wrong, a single player is capable of starting a revolt so that everyone goes against the casino, and even more so when they have contusive evidence, that is something that is very feasible, firstly because players know each other, there are communities, there are other forums, with an experience, they know it can tarnish all the effort that a casino has made or have a good reputation, it is something that takes a lot to build but that can be damaged by the slightest act of dishonesty, that is why as good players we must be alert before any accusation, when it is obviously well Answer if it is an accusation of fraud, to the comments of the DT members, because fraud is something unforgivable, it is not judged that any site abuses its power to be able to take money from the players, and something that is not justified.

I remember that some time ago I made a thread about notifications: which was the best way. 1.email,  2.internal message in the casino, or 3.any other way lik, e.g. msm via Telegram, etc... even on social networks, that is vital to be able to believe that they did not do it in bad faith.

There are casinos that do that, so you have to look for it, there they are, although in effect sometimes we go through that bad information that never arrives and then it is as you say, but as I already said it can happen to you once, it is avoided by looking for Casinos that have it largest way of information, come on! It is digital, so, it is easy to make the notification through all these ways.